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gnolam
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Chris Katko said:

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OICW
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Chris Katko said:

If you think the "Christian church" (as if to say it's some sort of conglomerate super entity with a distinct leader) is the problem. There's really no way we can discuss this. You've already decided in your head what the truth is without even seeing it.

Fine, I'll correct my mistake. One of the problems is the Roman Catholic church that brings their doctrine. Just today the pope said that AIDS can't be stopped by condoms and assured that they are against them, plus he advised for a sexual abstinence.

What a bullshit. First of all, people are going to have sex anyway. Second - condoms can prevent you from all those nasty things you can get. And can help in reducing the hungry necks numbers (of course only if the will want to do that, as Tobias pointed out).

And as Tobias pointed out, we are to blame. Not only because we've created artificial borders in Africa and introduced ineffective farming methods. But also by introducing Christianity to them and generally trying to convert them into our way of thinking. Kind of a same situation that's been happening for past few years in the Middle East.

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OICW said:

Second - condoms can prevent you from all those nasty things you can get.

They CAN, but its no guarantee.

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OICW
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They CAN, but its no guarantee.

Sure, they can, but they are 99% reliable. Of course it can't be used as a solitary meassure - in this I agree (not willingly) with the pope, they can't solely stop AIDS spreading. But for god's sake don't ban them or at least preach against them.

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ImLeftFooted
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So communism is responsible for the failure of a most capitalistic government in the world? how come? can anyone explain this? it is not rational, even a little bit...

Alright, I'll bite this clear troll bait.

So we're clear, I'm not talking about communism itself. I'm talking about some socialist and possibly communistic properties of America (there are a lot!)

Lets take 4 scenarios.

  1. Deregulated Industry

  2. Process of Regulating an Industry

  3. Regulated Industry

  4. Process of Deregulating an Industry

The benefit of #1 are clear. Most of the things around us that we enjoy are a result of this (ie. Materials, Metals, Wood, Plastics, Buildings, Cars, Soda, Food, Coffee, Clothes, Cell Phones, Glass Windows, Computers, Refrigerators, Dishes, Toys, The production of electricity, etc...)

#2 Generally has no benefits to the economy as a whole. It generally achieves two things: Distribution of wealth from entrepreneurs to the masses and distribution of the same wealth to politicians. It hurts the economy because entrepreneurs begin to fear this will happen to them (the same rules apply to theft in general).

#3 Over time a regulated industry tends to deteriorate. Without the motivation of individuals with a track record of success to improve how the industry runs, stagnation results. The industry cannot adapt to changing situations. No one knows how to or cares to fix it because it benefits everyone generally and not themselves. Why be a slave to society? People shy away from such tasks and instead everyone in the industry looks at how to improve their own situation in the system.

When it comes to #4 generally things go really bad. The Enron scandal is an example of this. In Russia you have those who helped Stalin enter power show up on the list of richest people.

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Capitalism works best when left to it's own devices.

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The benefit of #1 are clear. Most of the things around us that we enjoy are a result of this (ie. Materials, Metals, Wood, Plastics, Buildings, Cars, Soda, Food, Coffee, Clothes, Cell Phones, Glass Windows, Computers, Refrigerators, Dishes, Toys, The production of electricity, etc...)

BS. Soviet Union had all of those, often invented before it was invented in the west. The difference is in amount, not in kind.

It hurts the economy because entrepreneurs begin to fear this will happen to them

Culture specific generalization. Selfish entrepreneurship is a western phenomenon, and not the only way to drive an economy.

Over time a regulated industry tends to deteriorate. Without the motivation of individuals with a track record of success to improve how the industry runs, stagnation results. The industry cannot adapt to changing situations. No one knows how to or cares to fix it because it benefits everyone generally and not themselves. Why be a slave to society? People shy away from such tasks and instead everyone in the industry looks at how to improve their own situation in the system.

Huh? How do you explain the existence of volunteer organizations? Not everyone is a selfish human.

Looks like someone read too much Ayn Rand.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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I'm pretty sure my heart racing is a physical reaction. Now imagining my heart was racing, THAT would be a mental reaction.

Your heart is racing because your mind is subconsciously going into "fight or flight" reflex.

It's true that you can't control your own heartbeat consciously (well, 99.99% of people can't), but you can stop it from happening through correct use of cognitive behavioural therapy.

The theory is that the original trigger is a thought, this thought then generates an emotional response (in this case, anxiety), which then causes physical sensations. If you can isolate the trigger thought, you can train yourself to recognise when you are thinking it and immediately concentrate on your learnt counter-thought, to stop yourself from going into the emotional state that causes the physical sensations.

I can vouch for its effectiveness. I now get hardly any physical signs of anxiety, whereas I used to vomit, or black out in some situations. It took several years however, as well as some group and personal therapy as well. Totally worth it though.

Trent Gamblin
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April 2000
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Ok, here's how I got over it. First don't abandon those thoughts all together. Worf once said "A man without fear is a fool." Just know when it's relevant and don't let it consume you.

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alethiophile
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Looks like someone read too much Ayn Rand.

It seems that distressingly often, the default mode of anti-libertarians is insults--aimed at libertarians' morals, their maturity, whatever--even in ordinarily more-sophisticated essays. [1] Is there no other way to argue against a libertarian than to insult them? (Wow, references. Fancy!)

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SiegeLord
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It seems that distressingly often, the default mode of anti-libertarians is insults--aimed at libertarians' morals, their maturity, whatever--even in ordinarily more-sophisticated essays. [1] Is there no other way to argue against a libertarian than to insult them? (Wow, references. Fancy!)

Come to the table with something other than vast generalizations, historical inaccuracies and ignorance of the current conditions, and you will be treated differently.

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Plus, Ayn Rand is an Objectivist, and they are, to my knowledge, disdainful of Libertarians anyway.

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alethiophile
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Come to the table with something other than vast generalizations, historical inaccuracies and ignorance of the current conditions, and you will be treated differently.

Care to give some examples? Anyone can say that the other side is wrong.

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I finally started making games this year. Viva el GameMaker!

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BAF
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December 2002
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I had a mini-WTF moment when I saw I only got a 68 on my models of computation mid-term. Then I went to the course website and it said grades were out of 70, and felt better.

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I finished Etrian Odyssey at 100%, discovering every monster and every item in the game. That allowed me to get a password that, once introduced to Etrian Odyssey 2, gave me a special item which boosted the stats of a party member. The fucking fire scale took me like 12 or 13 resets and a couple of days, but finally got the wyrm to give the correct loot.

Oh, I am also getting my house built.

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I'm getting good at sequencing and writing music--to the point that laymen actually enjoy it. I'm especially proud of it because my style of music is very different from anything I've heard--which is the point, I don't want to do anything I've ever heard before. It's Rise Against meets angry Techno. Nine Inch Nails and Ferry Corsten. Lyrics are pretty brutal. I'm also getting much better at sequencing realistic drum lines.

Once I get some of this stuff finished I'm gonna see about playing some shows. Here's one of the newest I've starting working on (it's NOT done!).

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Trezker
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December 2001
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Chris: Can't you make that playable in your post using the new mockup?

media player

I like it, almost the kind of music that makes you go too fast when driving...

Vanneto
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May 2007

If I play the song on allegro.cc, I hear noise and buzzing. Playing the .mp3 file is fine...

Anyway, very nice, please do post the full track when done, its really cool.

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ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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Oh, I am also getting my house built.

How cool! Congratulations on your new place of dwelling. Are you gonna build a server room?

Over time a regulated industry tends to deteriorate. Without the motivation of individuals with a track record of success to improve how the industry runs, stagnation results. The industry cannot adapt to changing situations. No one knows how to or cares to fix it because it benefits everyone generally and not themselves. Why be a slave to society? People shy away from such tasks and instead everyone in the industry looks at how to improve their own situation in the system.

Huh? How do you explain the existence of volunteer organizations? Not everyone is a selfish human.

Citing the existence of an alternative does not prove its worthiness. If that were so I could use this argument: How do you explain the existence of for-profit organizations? Not everyone is a selfless human. Looks like someones been reading too much bible.

Your point is moot.

It hurts the economy because entrepreneurs begin to fear this will happen to them

Culture specific generalization. Selfish entrepreneurship is a western phenomenon, and not the only way to drive an economy.

Can you name a successful economy that does not rely on entrepreneurs?

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SiegeLord
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Citing the existence of an alternative does not prove its worthiness.

I don't care about worthiness, I care about existence. You said that several things simply did not exist in non-entrepreneurial economies. They exist. Maybe they are inferior in quality, or few in number, but they still exist.

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How do you explain the existence of for-profit organizations? Not everyone is a selfless human.

I never claimed those did not exist. You, on the other hand, did:

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People shy away from such tasks and instead everyone in the industry looks at how to improve their own situation in the system.

No all of them don't shy away. No all of them don't seek to do that.

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Can you name a successful economy that does not rely on entrepreneurs?

Define successful. There are plenty of 'functioning' economies not based on entrepreneurs, say the Soviet Union. Anything that functions is a success in my book. Putting the question of GDP aside, socialistic economies have higher moral value in my opinion. Even if they were less efficient (a questionable statement), they still would be viable due to their moral benefits. Perhaps you assign morality a 0 cost (the executives of US tend to do that also), but I, for one, don't. Not saying that you do do that for certain, but your analysis completely ignored this aspect.

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ImLeftFooted
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SiegeLord said:

There are plenty of 'functioning' economies not based on entrepreneurs, say the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union fell apart.

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Brezhnev and his colleagues wished Soviet citizens to be as prosperous as those in the capitalist nations, and to produce more for consumers they tried to incorporate innovations from the West, including innovations involving chemicals and computers. The Soviet Union was not keeping up with sophisticated techniques in computers, software and communications electronics or the design and manufacturing of automobiles - as were Taiwan and Korea. The Soviet Union lost its second place standing in manufacturing, falling behind the losers of World War II, Japan and Germany, and falling behind Britain and Italy. The Soviet Union's biggest customer for its manufactured goods was its military, and manufacturing for the military continued to use the Soviet Union's most skilled people, to the detriment of production for civilians.

The rigid command economy created by Stalin in the 1930s was not suited for the rapid changes that were a part of technological development outside the Soviet Union in the 1970s. The Soviet Union had no independently wealthy individuals looking to bankroll a new business with a new idea. In the Soviet Union it was the central government that was doing the investing, not only in the military but also in social programs, including spending money to keep bread available and at a low price. Money to modernize manufacturing was often lacking.

In the Soviet Union, the managers at various production plants were protected from international competition, and they had no competition from within the Soviet Union. Their thinking was not geared to consumer choice, and without a free market they had little notion of what was in demand and what was not. Rather than consumers, bureaucrats were deciding what was to be manufactured. And at the center of the Soviet economy, planners could not keep up with the changing needs of various areas, which resulted in poor economic co-ordination, sometimes seen in the form of metal goods rusting away at railway sidings.

By the 1970s, low morale of the Soviet Union's work force was hurting its economy. Workers were given goals that seemed abstract or remote from tangible benefits. Common people were criticizing people in power for not responding to their needs. Common people still lived in cramped housing and were seeing little material progress for themselves. Cynicism was high among Soviet workers and alcoholism prevalent. People were taking less pride in their work than people did in some other nations. [1]

In fact it could be said the Soviet Union is one of the best examples of how awful Communism really is.

Looking back on my question it was slightly short sighted. I can think of two systems that worked well in this manner: Hitler and the pre-historic Egyptians. A better question would be a system that works well, treats its citizens well and is generally moral.



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