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its been a great week end |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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it all started when I got crismass speeding ticket for 59km/h when i was doing 45km/h. and my hard drive just crashed with all of my invetion patening writeups and code stuff on. I think im being punshed. any one else having a wonderfull week end? wow |
le_y_mistar
Member #8,251
January 2007
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hope you made backups! ----------------- |
kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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Thats interesting, my part time job is as a cop and I gave a speeding ticket to some moron for 59km/h when he was only doing 45km/h. Later I went to his house and kicked his hard drive ensuring that it would be corrupted later on. A swell weekend! |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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Quote: hope you made backups! no backups:'( this is the 3rd and last time this will every happen to me. I going to buy 3 hard drives on monday. one for o/s one for data one fore data backup these are the times i wish some one would trouble me out the street so i can make some one pay for these things. right now i feel like i cant do a dam thing. sigh wow |
ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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Just buy a couple of 16gb pendrives and an extra hard drive. -- |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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i deal with way more them 16bg woth of data wow |
Onewing
Member #6,152
August 2005
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Still going to the hospital. ------------ |
someone972
Member #7,719
August 2006
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Have you tried bringing the hard drive in to be fixed? I've had a hard drive failed and the people I gave it to were able to recover most, if not all, of the data. As for me I'm having a regular, nothing-special weekend. ______________________________________ |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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I am going to try and take it in to a recovery place as soon as i get to take a trip to the usa there are no place like that over here where i live. wow |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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recovery places are horrendously expensive. Expect to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars. -- |
ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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I just had a big cockroach (2 inches long) walk up my leg. I thought it was the cat's tail, but the cat was nowhere to be seen. Hunted the little vermin everywhere until I killed it. Week starts awful, however today is day off so it averages -- |
Michael Jensen
Member #2,870
October 2002
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Quote: recovery places are horrendously expensive. Expect to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars. If the controller card is broken, but the disk is fine, you can find another hard drive of the EXACT SAME MODEL AND SIZE (and only the EXACT SAME MODEL AND SIZE), take apart your existing hard drive, the good hard drive, and swap the controller cards. It MIGHT start working. If on the other hand, when you give it power, you hear clicking noises... it's toast, don't bother, only a professional place will be able to restore it (and that's if you're not unlucky, I had that happen at a company I was working at in highschool, the heads ruin any data they click across, and unluckily for us, it was the partition table). Quote: I going to buy 3 hard drives on monday. You should get a tape system and do a nightly difference to a fire proof safe or an offsite backup or even instead a nightly backup to an offsite SVN repository. Mirroring is a bad idea, if the primary harddrive becomes toast (but not because of damage), and your OS/etc is still running, the "backup" hard drive will become a mirror of said toast, also there is no way to resort to a point in time. edit: ALSO, make sure to test that your backups are actually working to an isolated environment! I've heard so many horror stories about people making buckups, and it turns out they were not working when they went to use them! Quote: I just had a big cockroach (2 inches long) walk up my leg. Make very sure there isn't a lair in your house, your computer, your xbox, etc... (I've heard stories about roaches living inside of electronics such as xboxs and computers), roaches are very hard to get rid of, kill them all.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: Mirroring is a bad idea, if the primary harddrive becomes toast (but not because of damage), and your OS/etc is still running, the "backup" hard drive will become a mirror of said toast, also there is no way to resort to a point in time. Only with a retarded controller. The moment ANY drive on a mirror set is seen as bad it'll be dropped and the next drive will be used. It WILL NOT mirror bad data in most cases (it has to be a really broken or really stupid mirror). IIRC you were the one that saw that issue with a so called "mirror" server corrupting the master right? It wasn't a mirror, it was a slave, which isn't FOR doing proper data redundancy, only managing uptime. -- |
ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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Yup, I find one every month around, and my bedroom hits the backyard, so they come from outside (haven't seen small ones, only big ones). I don't care about spiders (in fact I got these thin long-legged ones with very small bodies everywhere, and a couple of the pudgy hairy ones around), but I cannot stand mosquitoes nor roaches. As for piccolo, you should just setup a daily backup. No need for raiding. -- |
Michael Jensen
Member #2,870
October 2002
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Quote: IIRC you were the one that saw that issue with a so called "mirror" server corrupting the master right? It wasn't a mirror, it was a slave, which isn't FOR doing proper backups, only managing uptime. How does the mirror know? If I delete a file on the main drive, the second drive COPIES that change. Now the file is gone forever. It's not a backup solution. I can't say, give me the version of file x from yesterday, or what did my disk look like two weeks ago. It's only there to detect if a drive is physically damaged or corrupted. edit: Quote: Yup, I find one every month around, and my bedroom hits the backyard, so they come from outside (haven't seen small ones, only big ones). I don't care about spiders (in fact I got these thin long-legged ones with very small bodies everywhere, and a couple of the pudgy hairy ones around), but I cannot stand mosquitoes nor roaches. The big ones will come in your house and lay eggs, call an exterminator, get them taken care of from your yard ASAP. edit: Quote: The moment ANY drive on a mirror set is seen as bad I'm not talking about a drive going bad, I'm talking about the data going bad.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: How does the mirror know? If I delete a file on the main drive, the second drive COPIES that change. The RAID controller knows when it gets an error and will stop copying any data to or from the bad disk. period. Quote: Now the file is gone forever. It's not a backup solution. Its a redundancy solution. Should one disk in a two disk set go down, the array is still functional, and with hotswap, you can remove the old disk and insert a new one without taking down the array or machine. edit: Quote: I'm not talking about a drive going bad, I'm talking about the data going bad. Data goes bad for two reasons, you wrote bad data, or a drive had an error, the latter is covered. if YOU wrote bad data, its your own damn fault. -- |
Roy Underthump
Member #10,398
November 2008
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You need to burn backups and store them off site. No matter how fancy a RAID you have or whatever, a burglar, flood or fire (or even the Great Power Spike from a thunderstorm) makes it all worthless. I love America -- I love the rights we used to have |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: No matter how fancy a RAID you have or whatever, a burglar, flood or fire (or even the Great Power Spike from a thunderstorm) makes it all worthless. Not worthless, just incomplete. Those are all exceptional events, rare to happen. But yes, off site backups is quite important if you really need to keep the data. -- |
Michael Jensen
Member #2,870
October 2002
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Quote: The RAID controller knows when it gets an error and will stop copying any data to or from the bad disk. period. Only if one of the hard drives goes bad. If I get a virus that goes in and scrambles my partition tables, the raid controller will mirror that. If I run a program that modifies or deletes my files, the raid controller will mirror that. If I click delete will the wrong file selected, the controller will mirror that. It does not get an error. Quote: Data goes bad for two reasons, you wrote bad data, or a drive had an error, the latter is covered. if YOU wrote bad data, its your own damn fault. Correction, someone, or something wrote bad data. I'm a programmer, I don't get things right on the first try. Sometimes I fuck things up while working on a solution. Or in the event that other people use my computer, sometimes they fuck things up. Bottom line is, fault doesn't matter here, what matters is, you want your data back. Quote: Its a redundancy solution. Should one disk in a two disk set go down, the array is still functional, and with hotswap, you can remove the old disk and insert a new one without taking down the array or machine. Yes, it's a redundancy solution allowing for maximum uptime, not data protection. You use hot-swap raid if you're running a low-downtime server. Differential backups are better for home users. If, in the very rare event, a drive goes bad, you're covered, just like as if you had raid mirroring. It might take a couple of hours, but how often does that happen. However, if in the MUCH MORE LIKELY event you fubar your own data (this happens to me much more often than hard drives dying as discussed above), you are only covered via backups, RAID will not help you here. edit: And even if you are running a raid 10 low-downtime production server, you still make differential backups (I've never worked in an environment where the servers wern't backed up in some form or another, even if they were raid-infinity-hd-with-special-feature-x).
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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There is a reason I run daily incremental backups to my server, which then creates a weekly ISO that I then burn to DVD. But I still run RAID, both have saved my ass, RAID more often than not. -- |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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this place seem to be resonable 500- 2500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOP9mnPyRPc&NR=1. im going to see if i can get a cheep flight on the week end wow |
Michael Jensen
Member #2,870
October 2002
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Quote: There is a reason I run daily incremental backups to my server, which then creates a weekly ISO that I then burn to DVD. But I still run RAID, both have saved my ass, RAID more often than not. That's all I'm saying, this isn't personal, haha.
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Ron Novy
Member #6,982
March 2006
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If you have a working PC then there are some data recovery apps you can get that work totally free... I can't remember where I got it or what it was called, but I used it with success on an old FAT32 drive. Not sure about NTFS drives, but just google something like 'FAT recovery free' or 'NTFS recovery free' etc... Some so called 'FREE' applications have limitations so watch out for those. Some apps want you to pay according to the size of the recovered data which to me is a scam so watch out... ---- |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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I don't think application will help this time lest week i feel asleep and work up to the computer in command prompt saying corruption. it turned out that the windows temp folder way corrupted. i fix that with a disk of the hard drive as a slave. but now the hard drive dose not register any drive letter or disk space. it always happen when i fall a sleep. wow |
Ron Novy
Member #6,982
March 2006
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Some of the applications still work without a drive letter... If the drive shows up under Control Panel->Computer Management->Storage->Disk Management then the software may still work... The software I used worked even after the drive had been formatted and re-used, but the file names and dates were not there as both the FAT and boot sector were all gone... Something wiped the first 80 or so sectors If it doesn't show up under disk management then swap cables, try different settings like slave/master or ide0/ide1 and chip select... I've had drives fail when the CS option is used and then suddenly come back after switching to MASTER/SLAVE. It could also be a fuse on the drive circuit board if it failed completely, but you probably wouldn't be able to fix that yourself. I usually get dangerous and bypass a fuse with a thin wire just to test, and if it doesn't burn out then I bypass it to get the data. Probably not safe, but it worked... ---- |
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