That is still unjust, because you are basically saying two third positions is the same as a first position. In most competitive sports you get 3 points if you win, 1 if you draw, and 0 if you lose. I would say give 1 if you get a bronze, 2 if you get a silver, and 4 if you get gold, or similar, where gold is clearly above silver and bronze.

Of course, regardless of the points you give, China is always above US except in total amount. However, as you lose the first position you begin twisting reality to fit your goals

Not really, because he won several 4 men events, and if you consider he belongs to a one-man country, he wouldn't have qualified for those events.

I just heard Canada won its first gold medal ever at the Athens Olympics. Was that its first gold medal for any event or just the men's floor excercises? We are still knocking the Canucks right?

gasp China got 37-14-14 (65), US got 19-22-25 (66) -- they both actually got 65 at a point! Communism is about to overcome the free world!

Frank on suicide watch too.

What medals?

I remember reading that black people have muscles better prepared for acceleration, plus a better muscle/fat ratio than white people.

By the way, Yelena Isinbayeva just broke the world record in her last attempt with the vault scoring 5.05m. She is not only beautiful, but the only woman to have passed the 5m barrier.

And why is Phelps better than everybody else at swimming? Because he's awesome, that's why. It all goes back to awesomeness.

What are these athletics that you liberals keep talking about? Are they the Track and Field events? Everything in the Olympics is about athletics. Well, maybe except for Ping Pong. That's just about complete commie awesomeness.

Now for the update of some important events that occurred while I was sleeping. (It's pretty sneaky of those commies to hold most of the events while the brave and free USA is sleeping and unable to keep watch.)

USA picks up a couple of golds at the track, bringing their Track & Field medal count to nine. Disappointing so far, but it's better than Canada and Europe.

Team USA Softball beats China 9-0 by the mercy rule in the fifth inning and now enters the medal round.

USA wins team jumping gold over Canada in equestrian. Here's an idea: let's add dolphin riding to the swimming events.

Team USA women's soccer beats Japan to advance to the final against Brazil.

Phelps picked his nose.

In that case, Britain is the greatest nation on earth so should have the most medals, so why aren't we?

And why is tennis an olympic sport, I always thought it was for amateurs athletes.

After watching the Olympics, I always pull out and add to a list of things I'll never be able to do.

The list is getting pretty long....

It doesn't 'beg the question'. "Begging the question" refers to circular reasoning. Any other time you might hear someone say it is just because they liked the sound of the phrase and didn't bother to find out what it actually meant (which is remarkably common). Perhaps "raises the question" would be more appropriate.

Don't give me that crap, SiegeLord.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Dude, obviously I'm not referring to "an imaginary consensus". The reason I liked to that article was to show the origin of the phrase and its formal usage. I'm aware that lots of people use it to mean "raises the question". All I'm trying to do is point out what the phase actually means - if no one did that, no one would know and the meaning would be lost. That's how many words and phrases shift from being rich and descriptive to being clones of other words. Simple words can easily be learnt from just observing their usage a few times, but complex words and phrases sometimes need to be explained; especially when they are rarely used.

Feel free to say whatever you like and mean whatever you like while saying it. I was just trying to be helpful by providing more information about this phrase, and I find it rude and offensive that you attacked me for doing so.

Whatever dude. All I'm hearing from you now is "don't you ever try to correct anyone on this forum again!" Relax. Be willing to learn something new and change your point of view.

I think it's time to let this thread return to the Olympics. I'm not looking for a fight.