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Project Graveyeard
Dennis
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July 2003
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gnolam said:

The GDR? I thought you were from West Germany. ;)

I think that joke is about as old as the GDR itself(maybe even as old as the first incarnation of it when I didn't know about it). As old as the one related to game development of course, not the one related to communist Germany.:P..;D

Andrei Ellman
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April 2003

LennyLen said:

I remember it! Has it really been that long?

Did you try and use it in one of your projects perchance?

IIRC, what existed of it was more or less complete - I just wanted to add a few more features.

AE.

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LennyLen
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Did you try and use it in one of your projects perchance?

I think so. I know I was playing around with Allegro and 3D for a while, and I do have a print-out of the AllegroPak text file dating from 1998, so I probably did use it.

Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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I definitely downloaded and tried AllegroPak, but decided it was too slow for my purposes — by which I mean a software z-buffer was outside of my target machine range, not anything about AllegroPak in particular.

P.s. looking back, I've now been using Allegro for over a decade...

Onewing
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August 2005
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P.s. looking back, I've now been using Allegro for over a decade...

Phew, as of this upcoming April, I'll have been only using it for 2 years.

I don't really have any grandeur projects RIP'ing on my computer. :-/

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Rampage
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December 2002
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Having unfinished projects means you lack motivation. I don't even have unfinished projects, that must mean I lack ideas... or that I'm lazier.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Jakub, why no SS2? ??? too much to implement?

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Jakub Wasilewski
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June 2003
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too much to implement?

Too much ambition as compared to ability. As I already wrote above, I wanted this game to have everything and the kitchen sink. Two kitchen sinks in fact, and one of them gold-plated ;).

Things were going great until I started putting different modules together. It turned out that the game I wanted to make was too big a project to just make code up as I go (as I usually did up till then). Without a central design, the code quickly fell apart and it turned unmanageable pretty fast.

To top it all off, it became pretty obvious that I wouldn't be able to implement everything I wanted. I had to throw some things out, but I couldn't decide which. That coupled with the fact that I spent more time refactoring than coding new stuff pretty much stopped the development dead in its tracks.

Overall, I think that was too big a project for me at the time, both motivation-wise (we all know how difficult it is to stay motivated) and skill-wise. I definitely want to do a similar game in the future - but this time, I'll make sure to come up with a solid plan and a solid design (both for the gameplay and for the code) before I start pulling code out of my arse ;).

Let's make a deal - I'll create SS2 one day, and you'll make some great music for it :P.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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It's a deal! :)

here's one I just recently finished: Men Stand Your Ground

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Paul whoknows
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September 2004
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Mark that demo is amazing! and I mean REALLY AMAZING!!!
It was done with soundfonts/samples? that orchestra sounds so real!

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Thanks! :)

The sampler is GigaStudio Orchestra 3 - http://www.tascamgiga.com

and the samples come from different distributers. My favorite companies are:

Project Sam - http://www.projectsam.com - Great brass and percussion
SoniVox MI - http://www.sonivoxmi.com - previously called Sonic Implants
Vienna Symphonic Library - http://www.vsl.co.at - the all great and powerful

For writing I use Finale - http://www.codamusic.com - which comes included with a pretty decent set of instrument samples (but none that I use).

It's a very expensive lot. In addition to the thousands you spend on samples and Giga, you have to have a specific type of sound card, good processor and fast drives, not to mention some good speakers to boot. But I decided I needed this stuff more than a car so...

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miran
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June 2002

This thread makes me cry. Especially the last post. :'(

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Well I'm broke now if it makes you feel any better. :P

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Archon
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January 2004
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Well I'm broke now if it makes you feel any better. :P

You should've bought your stuff from IKEA.

Dennis
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July 2003
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If I had many million euros, I'd buy a nice large castle somewhere, and let every Allegroid who wanted to, live there for free, as long as they'd be working on either the library itself or on projects that are either games or tools for creating game content/media.

Of course there'd be a fine green park around the castle, so Allegroids could sit outside, drawing, reading programming and math books or play soccer, tennis and other fun games.

In the evenings, the banquet hall would be a central meeting point to enjoy kingly meals and to talk about the projects, the world and how cool this dream is. Yeah, only a dream, as I don't even have a single million euros.:'(

(And to face reality: If I really had that much money, I'd probably just play video games all day and generally not be very productive.)

Johan Halmén
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September 2001

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...so Allegroids could sit outside, drawing, reading programming and math books or play soccer, tennis and other fun games

Don't forget religious discussions. Just kidding...

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gets punched with "The Origin of Species"

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Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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Don't forget religious discussions. Just kidding...

gets punched with an iron crucifix

gets punched with an iron pentagram

gets punched with "The Origin of Species"

That made me smile. ;D

Sleep time now.

Mika Halttunen
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November 2000
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I remember downloading AllegroPak back then, but I didn't use it for anything. I did try the demos and remember that foggy corridor! :) I didn't know how to code very well back then so that's one of the reasons I didn't use it, 3d was waaay beyond my capabilities.

Anyway, as for my dead projects; there's loads and loads of them. I'll just cover a few:

Untitled game (using Ogre) from 2005. Dead because lack of 3d models & graphics.. From the oldest to the newest:
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Untitled platformer / adventure game from 2005. Retro style graphics, yay! :) I made this nice little tile engine with scripting support and editor where you could place the triggers etc. Too bad that lack of motivation (and well, lack of proper graphics) doomed this one, too..
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Untitled adventure game (kinda like Ween: The Prophecy) from 2003. Lack of graphics. Basically what's done is that first room and most of its puzzles.
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Jumpjet remake from 2002. This was interesting. I was attempting to remake this old game (its shareware version only, though) by taking screenshots and grabbing the sprites from them.. It was quite tiresome work.. :P Lack of motivation killed this one. I managed to replicate the first three or four missions, I don't remember. :)
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Badlands (top-down shooter from 2001-2002). Now this is a game I would have liked to finish.. We shut down the development after 9 months of work.. :( Lack of graphics, as usual (see those weird heads?)
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There you go. :) I have much more, but these are the most developed ones.

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Paul whoknows
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September 2004
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Mika Halttunen, impressive works! I want to try your Badlands, where can I download the demo?

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Mark, I did not know GigaStudio! a 3 gigabyte piano! OMFG, my jaw is still on the floor:o
I was listening to your songs, beautiful!, add me to your list of fans!:)
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GameCreator
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July 2002
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Mika Halttunen, those are incredible. In fact, many of these are.
If it's any consolation, your abandoned works are quite inspiring and motivating. I can totally picture these in action.

OICW
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November 2003
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That Ogre 3d engine looks pretty nice, reminds me Gothic.

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Mika Halttunen
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November 2000
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Thanks guys! :)

Paul whoknows: No demo available, sorry. :) There's not anything to play really, the levels are random, everything is random.. Graphics missing, etc.

OICW: Thanks. Yeah it was a shame to abandon that project, I had quite nice dynamic lighting system for the heightmap set up. With proper models it would have looked great. :) We got one guy do a troll model for us which was cool, but we would have needed much much more stuff. I'd estimate it would have been too much for one modeler to handle, and we had none! :P

Anyways, as GameCreator said, really nice projects showcased in this thread! Shame they're all dead.. :)

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HoHo
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April 2004
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I'll definitely resurrect my X-Com thingie one day. I just wait for good enough HW to be availiable so I could actually do everything I originally planned ;D

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Andrei Ellman
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April 2003

Mika Halttunen: Those are some impressive screenshots. Hope you manage to find the motivation to finish at least one of them.

Everyone else: Some of those projects have pretty good potential. Also hope you become motivated to finish one someday.

I think that the trouble with developing games as a hobby is that modern games have become so complex that they require extremely large quantities of assets. The job is too overwhelming for just one person, and getting a team together and keeping them motivated can be hard.

One thing about game-development is that although it's fun getting your game to work, the fun parts are often interspersed with parts that are downright tedious. You just need to have faith in 'the path' and have enough perserverence to pull through those parts. Often when people start a game, they see only the fun parts.

Also, if you've never finished a project, I'd advise you to make something simple.

LennyLen said:

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Did you try and use it in one of your projects perchance?

I think so. I know I was playing around with Allegro and 3D for a while, and I do have a print-out of the AllegroPak text file dating from 1998, so I probably did use it.

Just out of interest, do you have a project that uses AllegroPak (finished or unfinished) on the 'net somewhere? I'd like to link to it from the AllegroPak homepage as part of a gallery of programs that use AllegroPak (so far, there's just my demos).

AE.

PS. Dennis: Your post has inspired me to try out FSA sometime.

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Dennis
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July 2003
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Andrei said:

PS. Dennis: Your post has inspired me to try out FSA sometime.

...???

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