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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5KjWfDxBc wow |
Billybob
Member #3,136
January 2003
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Are you trying to make my humor go nuclear?
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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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what do you mean? wow |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Perpetual energy hasn't worked yet, but this seems like it may be possible (other perpetual energy machines I've seen don't use gravity like this one does). Although that website is crap and that makes me skeptical of it's credibility. For example, most of the stuff is images, and the explanation page is broken. |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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there another guy on youtub that has working model of one that uses off set magnates wow |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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I don't think this attempt is particularly clever for all the "free energy" gimmicks out there. Until we can pull energy out of our ass, there won't be anything remotely close to "free energy". Even if we can start pulling energy out of our asses, it still came from somewhere. Conservation of energy, look it up. -- |
Bob
Free Market Evangelist
September 2000
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Quote: Perpetual energy hasn't worked yet, but this seems like it may be possible (other perpetual energy machines I've seen don't use gravity like this one does). Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics! Sorry, perpetual motion (or energy) machines just aren't possible. -- |
HardTranceFan
Member #7,317
June 2006
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I'm curious how the balls on the right travel up without the expenditure of energy. If you want free energy, get a wind turbine (and pump excess energy back into the national grid for a refund) or go solar. -- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Looks to me like the balls on the right use the back side of the belt that drives the arms. And think of all the friction that eats up much of the energy put into the system -- |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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i post a solution to fill balls with gas and submerge the right half. wow |
HardTranceFan
Member #7,317
June 2006
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yeah Bob, school-boy knows more than you [edit] Picollo, please post, 'cos your sentences do not make any sense. -- |
Kris Asick
Member #1,424
July 2001
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(NOTE: YouTube undergoing maintenance right now, so I'll comment on the website link at the top.) If you could make a perpetual motion machine, you could essentially turn that into enough electricity which could be used to power the world. Then, billions of dollars of research wouldn't have to go into new sources of energy. As a result, the USA actually has a rule in their patent office that you cannot patent an actual perpetual motion machine without a working, proven model. (And look at the website... they've contacted a whole bunch of countries, but NOT the USA.) So if anyone's truly made one, they would be extremely rich and famous and could afford better web authors and their papers would show that they have made contacts in the USA and not several other countries. My thought on why this particular model wouldn't work is because in order to lift one ball up, you need the power of seven or eight. So when it comes time to lift another, well, all but one is sitting at the bottom! --- Kris Asick (Gemini) --- Kris Asick (Gemini) |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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There would need to be absolutely no friction, including any friction created by the generator....but that's what makes the generator, uhh.. generate. As mentioned, if you want energy from virtually nothing, harness energy that is not being used and is always active. Wind power, solar power and hydro power are all forms of energy that have pre-existing fuel. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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sorry bob i have to tell you your wrong. Once upon a time it was "It's true. I read it in a book," which became "It's true. I saw it on TV." Now it's "It's true. I saw it on YouTube."
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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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there is probably a political reason the usa is not on the list of countries. the out magnet are solid magnet the same found in any motor or generator. what you have to see is in this model is not be made from nothing it is being converted from gravity. wow |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Piccolo, the reason such a device cannot work is simple. It takes as much energy to raise each ball as what each ball gains by dropping. So even if you had a frictionless system, the best it could do is break even. But since there is friction, some of the energy gained in dropping the balls is converted to heat, and so the system will actually lose energy, not magically gain "free" energy.
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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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If that was the case then a seesaw would not work. What we have here is gravity is putting energy in to 8 balls while we lift 1 ball. Don't for get we are using a pulley which also reduces the amount of energy the is needed to raise the ball. edit: wow |
Bob
Free Market Evangelist
September 2000
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Quote: Don't for get we are using a pulley which also reduces the amount of energy the is needed to raise the ball. Pullies don't reduce the needed energy to lift anything. Otherwise, you could just use pullies as a "free energy" system. The minimum energy to lift anything is the potential energy gained by the lift (ie: the break-even point). Compensating for friction will add to your energy requirements. Quote: If that was the case then a seesaw would not work. I think you misunderstand how seesaws work... -- |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Quote: If that was the case then a seesaw would not work. Try using a see-saw without either person pushing off from the ground. Quote: What we have here is gravity is putting energy in to 8 balls while we lift 1 ball. Every ball still needs to be returned to the top. This still takes up as much energy, no matter how you do it.
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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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seesaw... the haver side dominate the lighting side. in this example the case is a seesaw with 8 balls on one side and one ball on the other. wow |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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And then you end up with the light side stuck up in the air for eternity. -- |
Bob
Free Market Evangelist
September 2000
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Quote: seesaw... the haver side dominate the lighting side. Euuh yeah. That process isn't lossless (or gains energy). It will lose energy through heat, and thus will not work perpetually. -- |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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[quote ]And then you end up with the light side stuck up in the air for eternity. bob what your saying is that gravity less the the heat energy the is lost. wow |
Bob
Free Market Evangelist
September 2000
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bob what your saying is that gravity less the the heat energy the is lost. I don't even know what that means. Can you rephrase? Gravity is a force (from distortion of spacetime), whereas heat is energy. You can't subtract one from another. -- |
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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bob what your saying is that energy that force gravity produces is less then that heat energy that is lost. wow |
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