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How do you Define Maturity?
23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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Chris Katko said:

23: That music video is funny. I like the song musically, but the idea of joining the military and then deserting is so stupid (we even had a thread on it). Perfect MTV, though. ;D

Hello, and welcome to my first post in this thread!

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Chris Katko
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Opps! I put that extra part in the wrong thread. ;D Silly me.

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RallyMonkey
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As for you, all I can say (in addition to ignoring him) is to set the best possible example for yourself and people like you.

For some reason that sentence made me feel really good about my self. Thank you.

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23yrold3yrold
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That guy was obviously just coming home from Iraq anyway. See the banner and the "Re-" on the letter (plus the accompanying lyrics). Left jail, landed on Community Chest, went right back in. ::) ;)

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Indeterminatus
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November 2000
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Yeah, it really took me long. Since I've got absolutely no practice in l33t, it was a bunch of work, believe me ;). I really tried hard to model the language as accurate as possible, but I can imagine there are "better" ones...well, never mind...this is going nowhere...

Seriously, I do connect "maturity" to "wisdom", which in my point of view both say the same. It grows on expertise, which in most cases equals to the age (with special emphasis on MOST - meaning not all!).

I do catch myself sometimes acting childish, and I always say that next time I'll do better, but it seems as if I was caught in some kind of infinite loop. I'm a human being, and therefor error-prone...

Though the poster (already forgot his name) refused to being polite (which he really seems good at!), he at least proved him being immature. As far as I remember none of your definitions of "maturity" matches him.

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RallyMonkey
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The poster as in? The "Skilzat" dude? Or me?

Also, with wisdom. How would you define wisdom? Could a mentally challenged person have as much wisdom as one person with an average IQ?

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Derezo
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April 2001
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Ahem.. way to go, it's off-topic now Chris Katko. :P

That music video is awesome. At first I was thinking "ugh, rap crap".. but it's probably one of the best rap songs I've ever heard, and I'm not even American so I don't fully relate to the material.
Really powerful.

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Indeterminatus
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I was referring to the "Skilzat" dude. Well, lets just put the fact aside that wisdom can't be measured with the instruments at our disposal (and as a result, accurately defining the term becomes inherently impossible). I'd define wisdom as the sum of all experiences one has made and was able to reflect.
Therefor a mentally challenged person could have as much wisdom as one person with an average IQ, yes, because I'm confident that "even this" group of people is able to learn by doing. (in quotation marks because it kinda sounds rude and offending, which it wasn't meant to, but I can't think of a better expression)

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RallyMonkey
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There is also the fact that someone knows that something they do is wrong. Yet, they still do it anyway. Would them knowing it is wrong be considered them having wisdom of the fact?

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SonShadowCat
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September 2001
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I think it would be intersting to see who the allegro.cc community considers mature. A new poll perhaps? Or maybe just a thread thing.

RallyMonkey
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I would too. Why don't you start it?

Don't talk, do.

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SonShadowCat
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I consider 23, BP, and RP to be 3 of the most mature people here.

Indeterminatus
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There is also the fact that someone knows that something they do is wrong. Yet, they still do it anyway. Would them knowing it is wrong be considered them having wisdom of the fact?

Hmmm...my 'definition' wasn't meant to let this case be valid, and no, I can't think of any way to explain it properly what I meant. Maybe I should just go to sleep, it's late enough ;) ... I might give it another try in 3-4 hours (when I have to get up again).

Someone said once that wisdom was "the ability to always make people in your surroundings feel comfortable".

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Derezo
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April 2001
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There's lots of mature people here.
Thomas Harte, ML, Bob, Evert, the list goes on and on.

I'd consider myself somewhat mature, but I do some pretty immature things every now and then ;D

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Matthew Leverton
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You can cross me off of your list now ;):

Retarded One? said:

Even if you win, your still retarded.

I would be ashamed to repeat such a tasteless joke and even more ashamed to fail to grasp elementary concepts of the English language.

Derezo
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Yeah.. when I first heard that, I laughed.. then thought "hey.. wait."

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Kanzure
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July 2003
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Rally Monkey:
I mean no offense, but hear me out. I used to be much like you. Except more crazy. Read my original posts on this forum. Or, better not. I've learned about myself that I commonly project my own bad traits onto others. For example, this other guy you're trying to bash / recieve comments on. You're saying that he apepars immature, and what nonesense. Whatever the case may be. It's always a challenge of wits. In this case, you have lost. You have pointed out a person's weakest point - maturity. By pointing out the most deadly value of anybody, you have thus weakened that value of yourself in the eyes of the people reading this thread.

Why care what we think of this person? Why care what we think at all? Do you have that much respect for us? No, I think not. Are you that insecure? Yes? Maybe it's time you found something that you can stand strong with, and it appears to not be pointing out other people's weak points.

Or, if I was Yves,

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RallyMonkey
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I have been especially trying to stay away from that word (I didn't say it in the first place, just extra careful now.) since I read "Flowers for Algernon".

Kanzure. I was originally going to ask you guys how you defined maturity. I just thought that conversation was the perfect starting point. If you think I am just trying to flame the dude, so be it. I do not understand how that has to do with my respect for this forum and its visitors though. Of course I respect you guys or why would I care to be respected here. I would rather be respected by the ones that I respect.

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Kirr
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September 2004
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I would say maturity is responsibility. Once you are taking complete responsibility for what you are doing and saying, and also for basically everything happening around you, you are mature. The amount of this phenomena may define 'level' of maturity.

This can explain pretty well how some 10 years old kids can be mature, and how some 30 years old are not. This also fits with boys maturing faster than girls. Particularly, if a baby constantly recieves care and protection, he will not learn to be responsible. But if he is left on his own, then he will know for sure it's all up to him. Something like this.

And I know, I was not mature until 20. :)

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RallyMonkey
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I see what you are saying Kirr. this is the only one I do not have questions about. For instance, you see this a lot in stories like "Hatchett". The boy would have to be extremely mature to survive that.

UPDATE: Kanzure, I also feel that I am insecure. But I do not come and post on a forum to feel better about myself.

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I would be ashamed to repeat such a tasteless joke and even more ashamed to fail to grasp elementary concepts of the English language.

Yep, there was no excuse that time. But, you'll probably be happy to hear I won't be posting here much anymore.

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RallyMonkey
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Why? I have never had a problem with you. Real life :P problems?

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Evert
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November 2000
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I'd more or less agree with Thomas H's definition given at the top of this thread. Maturity is when people no longer react in an extreme (or `childish') way to every new situation.
I could more easily define it by example than generically though. The reply quoted in the first message doesn't look particularly mature to me.

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This also fits with boys maturing faster than girls.

This is the first time I've heard that... as far as I always heard, it's the other way around. At least in my experience, girls are more mature than boys of the same age...

Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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Me.. Mature? Naw! :)

Well, even if we could all agree on a definiton of maturity, some people would be classed as more mature than others. However there wouldn't be a cut off point we could say where you go from immature to mature, so I'm not sure if we can classify people like this.

Bobo
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October 2004
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It's hard to define in one sentence what matury is so I think the easiest way to define it would be for us to build a list of qualities/caracteristics of a person mature people have.

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