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Michael Bell
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November 2001

I've also wanted to build my own arcade cabinet for a year or so now. But not just one to run a single game that i wrote, but one to play many of the old classics(mainly through MAME). PLenty of other people have done this, just search for "arcade cabinet building" or whatever. CHeck out www.ArcadeAtHome.com, look for a link down the left side for "Cabinet pics". Many of them have links to sites talking about how they designed and built their cabinets.

Mike

23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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If you wanted to market a game in a box setup like this, don't expect any takers, since arcade sales are plummeting and no one would pay the 800$ that most machines cost these days.

Well, the OP says he only wants to do it for fun ....

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Kris Asick
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July 2001

Funklord: Where you live, used TV's may be cheap. In North America, they're not. Places around there love to sell them for practically the same price as new TV's of the same quality. Also, FAT32 CANNOT be used in original versions of DOS prior to Windows95. (IE: MS-DOS 6.22 or lower.) I know someone who's tried... he had to format his hard drive afterwards because he garbled his FAT. And besides, there are much better formats than FAT32 even, the only reason FAT16 and FAT32 are used exclusively in MS operating systems is primarily because you don't have to know much about computers to manipulate them, thus adding to user friendliness and compatibility with previous OSes. (At least, that's the answer MS would give you :P )
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axilmar
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April 2001

How are you going to use the special 2D and 3D functions of the various video cards that you mention through DOS ? Linux has a lot of support in that area. You can make your game using OpenGL, MESA etc.

And don't forget that the Linux kernel is customizable and "hackable". You can make a special version out of it that does not have all the drivers for normal use; you can even make everything ring 0(forget about memory protection), disable paging and boot of an EPROM.

And don't forget the networking abilities of Linux : you can put head-to-head capabilities into your arcade box, or even internet connectivity for remote play very easily.

Can you do all that with DOS ? I think not.

Matt Smith
Member #783
November 2000

Forget CD-ROMS in the cabinet. Try one of these CF adapters.

$12 each, or $6 in bulk

You can get old machines cheap s/h from arcade operators. Just rip out the boards and install a PC MB instead. This is probably much cheaper than buying the monitor, coinslot etc. separately.

Funklord
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June 2000
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achil:
I think the question here is, will it take 5 minutes to get the arcade system up and running with dos or 5 days with linux?
It all depends on if you need all the extra hardware capabilities for 3d.
Otherwise I don't see any other problems involved in using DOS.
Networking can easily be accomplished with IPX.

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Troy D Patterson
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April 2000
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Unfortunately I don't know CRAP about Linux.'Cept
All I know is that its free...
Its the said to be the best OS(Matter of Opinion.. But lets not argue.)
There are too many different version that are suppose to be "Free" that somehow there's an order button and a broken download now button.
Its "easy" to manipulate.
All these good qualities and all... but I don't even know how to install it without screwing my computer up. (Yes its happened)
Heh I think I'd best stick with DOS. And shouldn't that choice be up to the programmer desiging the game? I mean an opinion is one thing but using brute force(aka nagging) is another.

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Funklord
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June 2000
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I will soon start using Linux as a desktop... (currently only on my firewall)
It is wonderful work, but somewhat overkill for a "dedicated" project like this
Linux and other UNIXes are usually very highly focused on networking.
Which I at least find annoying especially if the computer is not even connected to a network.
Each time I wanna do something new on my firewall, I have to start reading faq/man page after page...
And still scratching my head I log on to #linux or #slackware on IRC
There asking people they often just tell you to RTFM!
Somehow it could be made more intuitive so it would be easier to accomplish the same exact thing as with dos if you wanted.
It's all about knowledge, if u know enough about Linux u can accomplish anything.. but to get there the path is long.
I am treading that path slowly but securely, hopefully others will also jump off the MS carousel that goes round and round, to get on a train heading for new horizons.
With that said I hope noone is annoyed with me (Looking back, I almost did sound like I was TELLING HIM WHAT OS TO USE, didn't I...) so sorry about that.

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Funklord
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Kris Asick:
Yeah.. maybe the demand for old TVs is higher in North America, I wouldn't know.
Here, people currently throw old 28-32" TVs just to get a new widescreen telly.
(Don't ask me why, I think the new digitally processed picture in them sucks bad)
The DSPs aren't even powerful enough to process all the data so they use dithering combined with like 320x200 16bit sampling.
+no picture smoothing across frames which even mature video-in cards offer.
I got a Philips bad-ass widescreen TV for $1000 and the quality is a lot worse than my old one from 1987.
Have you tried buying them from people, not second hand shops? (they rip u off!!)

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Kris Asick
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July 2001

Funklord: People sometimes sell them at really good prices, but not always, and you have to be careful when buying them from misc. people because you can almost be sure they're gettin' rid of their set for a reason.
Oh yeah, and don't buy an incredibly large TV unless you have one or both of these things on your mind:

  • Playing high-end video games.

  • Connecting to an HDTV network.

Otherwise yeah, the quality does degrade because you're taking a rather low-resolution image and scalling it up to really large sizes.
Personally, since I don't have any really big purchases in mind in the future, I'm gonna save up for a $10,000 - $15,000 plasma TV. (Image quality, eat your heart out :) I know, it's gonna be a lonnnnnnnnnng while before I can afford one, but hey, when you want something good you might as well go all the way, right? ;)
Besides, every January where I live the only place in town that sells them cuts their prices in half!
Oh yeah, this topic's about arcade systems, right? Umm... uh... I like pie... and pi... and umm... coin slots rule!... umm... ok, I think I'll be walking at a fast pace out that door now...
Runs out the door, gets in a car and drives off.
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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

That is why I asked earlier what types of games are you after. It all depends on what you are aiming at.

If you don't want to expand your coin-op game developing activities in the future, then DOS is fine. But if some day you want more capabilities, then Linux is the only way to go, in my opinion.

I wish there was a simple O/S, like DOS, but fully 32-bit, with no memory protection, and with good driver hardware support, a reasonable driver model...for these types of tasks (coin-ops, etc), running on commodity hardware (PC)....maybe there is. I don't know.

Troy D Patterson
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April 2000
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Hey I found a guy at the local Arcade that said he'll give me a free cabinet if I can get the game done.... I'm going to work my hardest to get it done now! :)

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Funklord> Linux really isn't network centered. I can run linux on any computer with no network connection, and i ususally end up with less problems or headaches.. :)

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Funklord
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June 2000
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Troy: u lucky b***ard!! =) I wish I didn't live in this boring country where arcades seem to be a rarity. (Sweden)
Since I read this post I actually brought home my old p200 with an ATI TV I/O card and an old 32" stereo TV with great sharp picture and have been looking for an empty box.. with no luck, the closest place I've found one, is UK.
(Can't be bothered to build the whole cabinet myself)
I thought it could double up as a dedicated frequency analyzer as well...
Thomas Fjellstrom: That is how I feel at least, linux has a lot of network functionality by default.
u compile the stuff into the kernel, but in dos it's more like modules only.
Of course u can tweak it into anything u want.. so why not. (but takes time)

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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quote:
I wish I didn't live in this boring country where arcades seem to be a rarity. (Sweden)

Yea I know. I didn't manage to find a decent arcade everywhere in Stockholm. Ynd your slot machines suck, too!
I just happen to live in such a small town that nearest arcade machine is 7km away, in a restaurant at the crossing of two main roads.
But slot machines are everywhere! bars, train stations, gas stations, supermarkets, cafés, kiosks, night clubs, nowhere to go without hearing the double-or-nothing-tune.
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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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[edit] i thought this UBB system was supposed to prevent accidental double posting..

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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

Arcades are slowly dying...the wide adoption of consoles, the huge jump in console and PC technology (makes arcade games look dated), the repetitive arcade gameplay cliches (shoot-em-ups, driving games, fighting games), the ever increasing costs of operating consoles with custom controls (bikes/motorcycles/ski/whatever), the death of the PCB have lead to the death of the arcade, at least here in Europe.

Funklord
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June 2000
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I was trying out connecting that old 28" stereo TV I had in the attic..
Seems it is now broken (burglars, moisture.. who knows why)
Anyone good at TV repairs?
the picture is just black all the time.. the OSD works though and the picture syncs, I recon it could be a bad solder somewhere???
I just need it for direct signal video-in capabilities
The tuner can go &%#¤ itself
I've tried RGB/S-Video/Video all giving the same results.
Also it seems to have a lot of cards inside, that look like modular addons, maybe one of them not soldered on properly hmm...

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Troy D Patterson
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April 2000
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Um Achil

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... the repetitive arcade gameplay cliches (shoot-em-ups, driving games, fighting games...

Isn't that kinda why you want to make games? I know that's the reason I do. I want to bring a different flavor to the gaming industry. I mean people keep saying things like "Its been done." and stuff like that. But things like Silent Scope come out. Sure its nothing new but its quite different cause you have that lil TV inside the scope. :)

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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

When I say repetitive, I mean that each game looks 90% like the next one. There is not much diversity in the arcades any more, but occasionally there are games that break new ground or offer a refreshed and highly polished experience(especially consoles with custom controls).

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