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		<title>[5.0rc2] OpenGL/Deferred drawing CPU use</title>
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		<webMaster>matthew@allegro.cc (Matthew Leverton)</webMaster>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I might be miss using deferred drawing here but when using it with OpenGL the cpu usage goes to about 50%, without deferred drawing it only uses a few percent. Works fine with directX.</p><div class="source-code"><div class="toolbar"><span class="button numbers"><b>#</b></span><span class="button select">Select</span><span class="button expand">Expand</span></div><div class="inner"><span class="number">  1</span><span class="p">#include &lt;allegro5/allegro.h&gt;</span>
<span class="number">  2</span>
<span class="number">  3</span>
<span class="number">  4</span><span class="k1">int</span> main<span class="k2">(</span><span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number">  5</span><span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number">  6</span>   <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k3">!</span><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_init"><span class="a">al_init</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number">  7</span>      <span class="k1">return</span> <span class="n">1</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number">  8</span>      
<span class="number">  9</span>   <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k3">!</span><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_install_keyboard"><span class="a">al_install_keyboard</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 10</span>      <span class="k1">return</span> <span class="n">1</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 11</span>      
<span class="number"> 12</span>   
<span class="number"> 13</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_set_new_display_option"><span class="a">al_set_new_display_option</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>ALLEGRO_VSYNC, <span class="n">1</span>, ALLEGRO_SUGGEST<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>   
<span class="number"> 14</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_set_new_display_flags"><span class="a">al_set_new_display_flags</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>ALLEGRO_OPENGL<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 15</span>   
<span class="number"> 16</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/ALLEGRO_DISPLAY"><span class="a">ALLEGRO_DISPLAY</span></a><span class="k3">*</span> display <span class="k3">=</span> <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_create_display"><span class="a">al_create_display</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="n">200</span>, <span class="n">200</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 17</span>   
<span class="number"> 18</span>   <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k3">!</span>display<span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 19</span>      <span class="k1">return</span> <span class="n">1</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 20</span>      
<span class="number"> 21</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/ALLEGRO_EVENT_QUEUE"><span class="a">ALLEGRO_EVENT_QUEUE</span></a><span class="k3">*</span> queue <span class="k3">=</span> <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_create_event_queue"><span class="a">al_create_event_queue</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 22</span>   
<span class="number"> 23</span>   <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k3">!</span>queue<span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 24</span>   <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 25</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_destroy_display"><span class="a">al_destroy_display</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>display<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 26</span>      <span class="k1">return</span> <span class="n">1</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 27</span>   <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 28</span>   
<span class="number"> 29</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_register_event_source"><span class="a">al_register_event_source</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>queue, <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_get_keyboard_event_source"><span class="a">al_get_keyboard_event_source</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 30</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_register_event_source"><span class="a">al_register_event_source</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>queue, <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_get_display_event_source"><span class="a">al_get_display_event_source</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>display<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 31</span>      
<span class="number"> 32</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/ALLEGRO_BITMAP"><span class="a">ALLEGRO_BITMAP</span></a><span class="k3">*</span> image <span class="k3">=</span> <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_create_bitmap"><span class="a">al_create_bitmap</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="n">20</span>, <span class="n">20</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 33</span>   
<span class="number"> 34</span>   <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k3">!</span>image<span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 35</span>   <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 36</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_destroy_event_queue"><span class="a">al_destroy_event_queue</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>queue<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 37</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_destroy_display"><span class="a">al_destroy_display</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>display<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 38</span>      <span class="k1">return</span> <span class="n">1</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 39</span>   <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 40</span>   
<span class="number"> 41</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_set_target_bitmap"><span class="a">al_set_target_bitmap</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>image<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 42</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_clear_to_color"><span class="a">al_clear_to_color</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_map_rgb"><span class="a">al_map_rgb</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="n">255</span>, <span class="n">255</span>, <span class="n">255</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 43</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_set_target_bitmap"><span class="a">al_set_target_bitmap</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_get_backbuffer"><span class="a">al_get_backbuffer</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>display<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 44</span>   
<span class="number"> 45</span>   <span class="k1">bool</span> IsRunning <span class="k3">=</span> <span class="k1">true</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 46</span>   <span class="k1">while</span><span class="k2">(</span>IsRunning<span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 47</span>   <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 48</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/ALLEGRO_EVENT"><span class="a">ALLEGRO_EVENT</span></a> Event<span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 49</span>      
<span class="number"> 50</span>      <span class="k1">while</span><span class="k2">(</span><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_get_next_event"><span class="a">al_get_next_event</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>queue, <span class="k3">&amp;</span>Event<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 51</span>      <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 52</span>         <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span>Event.type <span class="k3">=</span><span class="k3">=</span> ALLEGRO_EVENT_DISPLAY_CLOSE<span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 53</span>         <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 54</span>            IsRunning <span class="k3">=</span> <span class="k1">false</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 55</span>         <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 56</span>         <span class="k1">else</span> <span class="k1">if</span><span class="k2">(</span>Event.type <span class="k3">=</span><span class="k3">=</span> ALLEGRO_EVENT_KEY_UP <span class="k3">&amp;</span><span class="k3">&amp;</span>
<span class="number"> 57</span>                 Event.keyboard.keycode <span class="k3">=</span><span class="k3">=</span> ALLEGRO_KEY_ESCAPE<span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 58</span>         <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 59</span>            IsRunning <span class="k3">=</span> <span class="k1">false</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 60</span>         <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 61</span>      <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 62</span>      
<span class="number"> 63</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_clear_to_color"><span class="a">al_clear_to_color</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_map_rgb"><span class="a">al_map_rgb</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="n">0</span>, <span class="n">0</span>, <span class="n">0</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 64</span>      
<span class="number"> 65</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_hold_bitmap_drawing"><span class="a">al_hold_bitmap_drawing</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k1">true</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 66</span>      <span class="k1">for</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k1">unsigned</span> i <span class="k3">=</span> <span class="n">0</span><span class="k2">;</span> i <span class="k3">&lt;</span> <span class="n">9</span><span class="k2">;</span> i<span class="k3">+</span><span class="k3">+</span><span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 67</span>      <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 68</span>         <span class="k1">float</span> X <span class="k3">=</span> i <span class="k3">*</span> <span class="n">22</span>.<span class="n">0f</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 69</span>         
<span class="number"> 70</span>         <span class="k1">for</span><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k1">unsigned</span> j <span class="k3">=</span> <span class="n">0</span><span class="k2">;</span> j <span class="k3">&lt;</span> <span class="n">9</span><span class="k2">;</span> j<span class="k3">+</span><span class="k3">+</span><span class="k2">)</span>
<span class="number"> 71</span>         <span class="k2">{</span>
<span class="number"> 72</span>            <span class="k1">float</span> Y <span class="k3">=</span> j <span class="k3">*</span> <span class="n">22</span>.<span class="n">0f</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 73</span>            <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_draw_bitmap"><span class="a">al_draw_bitmap</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>image, X, Y, <span class="n">0</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 74</span>         <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 75</span>      <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 76</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_hold_bitmap_drawing"><span class="a">al_hold_bitmap_drawing</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k1">false</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 77</span>      
<span class="number"> 78</span>      <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_flip_display"><span class="a">al_flip_display</span></a><span class="k2">(</span><span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>            
<span class="number"> 79</span>   <span class="k2">}</span>
<span class="number"> 80</span>   
<span class="number"> 81</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_destroy_bitmap"><span class="a">al_destroy_bitmap</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>image<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 82</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_destroy_event_queue"><span class="a">al_destroy_event_queue</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>queue<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 83</span>   <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_destroy_display"><span class="a">al_destroy_display</span></a><span class="k2">(</span>display<span class="k2">)</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 84</span>      
<span class="number"> 85</span>   <span class="k1">return</span> <span class="n">0</span><span class="k2">;</span>
<span class="number"> 86</span><span class="k2">}</span>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Bullet)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I can&#39;t seem to reproduce here. This is oprofile output of your example with held drawing:
</p><div class="source-code snippet"><div class="inner"><pre><span class="n">13268</span>    <span class="n">60</span>.<span class="n">7120</span>  libnvidia-glcore.so.260.19.06 <span class="k3">/</span>usr<span class="k3">/</span>lib<span class="k3">/</span>nvidia-current<span class="k3">/</span>libnvidia-glcore.so.260.19.06
<span class="n">1082</span>      <span class="n">4</span>.<span class="n">9510</span>  libGL.so.260.19.06       <span class="k3">/</span>usr<span class="k3">/</span>lib<span class="k3">/</span>nvidia-current<span class="k3">/</span>libGL.so.260.19.06
<span class="n">1054</span>      <span class="n">4</span>.<span class="n">8229</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 draw_quad
<span class="n">575</span>       <span class="n">2</span>.<span class="n">6311</span>  ld-2.12.1.so             __tls_get_addr
<span class="n">437</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">9996</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 tls_get
<span class="n">345</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">5787</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 _draw_tinted_rotated_scaled_bitmap_region
<span class="n">300</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">3727</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_compose_transform"><span class="a">al_compose_transform</span></a>
<span class="n">259</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">1851</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_identity_transform"><span class="a">al_identity_transform</span></a>
<span class="n">250</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">1440</span>  libc-2.12.1.so           <a href="http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc/libc_566.html" target="_blank">memcpy</a>
<span class="n">230</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">0524</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_rotate_transform"><span class="a">al_rotate_transform</span></a>
<span class="n">230</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">0524</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/manual/al_transform_coordinates"><span class="a">al_transform_coordinates</span></a>
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This is without:
</p><div class="source-code snippet"><div class="inner"><pre><span class="n">9394</span>     <span class="n">59</span>.<span class="n">3618</span>  libnvidia-glcore.so.260.19.06 <span class="k3">/</span>usr<span class="k3">/</span>lib<span class="k3">/</span>nvidia-current<span class="k3">/</span>libnvidia-glcore.so.260.19.06
<span class="n">749</span>       <span class="n">4</span>.<span class="n">7330</span>  libGL.so.260.19.06       <span class="k3">/</span>usr<span class="k3">/</span>lib<span class="k3">/</span>nvidia-current<span class="k3">/</span>libGL.so.260.19.06
<span class="n">458</span>       <span class="n">2</span>.<span class="n">8942</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 draw_quad
<span class="n">454</span>       <span class="n">2</span>.<span class="n">8689</span>  libc-2.12.1.so           <a href="http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc/libc_317.html" target="_blank">fgetc</a>
<span class="n">405</span>       <span class="n">2</span>.<span class="n">5592</span>  libX11.so.6.3.0          <span class="k3">/</span>usr<span class="k3">/</span>lib<span class="k3">/</span>libX11.so.6.3.0
<span class="n">229</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">4471</span>  ld-2.12.1.so             __tls_get_addr
<span class="n">209</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">3207</span>  libc-2.12.1.so           __GI___strcmp_ssse3
<span class="n">169</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">0679</span>  liballegro-debug.so.5.1.0 _draw_tinted_rotated_scaled_bitmap_region
<span class="n">160</span>       <span class="n">1</span>.<span class="n">0111</span>  libc-2.12.1.so           <a href="http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc/libc_566.html" target="_blank">memcpy</a>
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One difference you can see is that with held drawing, we do transformations in software, so for each bitmap there&#39;s calls to the transformations functions - so they show up at the top. Without held drawing transformations are done on the GPU so they don&#39;t show up.</p><p>However I can&#39;t see this causing 50% CPU... in my case it makes no difference on the end result. It also would show up with D3D.</p><p>It would be interesting seeing profiling output but I don&#39;t think you can get that in Windows. But maybe there&#39;s something in allegro.log which can give a hint, so if you can try compiling it with the debug version of Allegro and attach the allegro.log file it might help find the problem.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Elias)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Log attached.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Bullet)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Hm, nothing out of the ordinary. How many cores do you have? I assume 50% CPU means half of them are spin-locking. Maybe some threading issue with our wgl implementation. Not sure how to look into it without being able to reproduce.</p><p>Can someone else reproduce this?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Elias)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Yes, the cpu has two cores.</p><p>EDIT: Neither core is completely saturated one is at about 75% and the other at about 25%.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Bullet)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>That could just mean that the kernel is switching load between the cores.</p><p>I wonder if it has something to do with tls_get (which shows up as 2% in my profiling results with held drawing) - I don&#39;t see why the OpenGL and D3D drivers would call it different amounts of time though. Let&#39;s wait if someone else can reproduce it. I&#39;ll also try it on my netbook.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Elias)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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