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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>My Grandma believes with all her heart that the wind can&#39;t be rotating the blades of a windmill.  She thinks there are motors in there doing it.  Can I get you guys to back me up (and maybe give some other windmill info for her)?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>she&#39;s too old, it doesnt matter.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (OnlineCop)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (X-G)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Of course there are motors in them. It&#39;s the same with wind turbines. Haven&#39;t you ever wondered why windmills and wind turbines almost always face East or West? If you had counted them, you&#39;d realized it&#39;s almost an exact 50/50 split. Why? Because that way, <i>the momentum cancels out</i>. But once they&#39;ve established a large enough power base, the Illuminati will run them at full speed towards the East, <i>slowing down the Earth&#39;s rotation until it stops completely</i>. Only those at the two Chosen Meridians will have a chance of surviving; the remaining population will either burn or freeze to death, depending on which side of the terminator they end up on.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (gnolam)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>If she&#39;s that old and actually believes that than there is no point. Just turn her into cheese or glue.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (SonShadowCat)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>The windmill farms they put up near my home town are used to generate wind. So those ones have motors, but most of them are powered by giant hamsters.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Matthew Leverton)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>That&#39;s good x-g.  Have you been saving that, or did you just come up with it on the spot? <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826028#target">waldchr</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
My Grandma believes with all her heart that the wind can&#39;t be rotating the blades of a windmill. She thinks there are motors in there doing it. Can I get you guys to back me up (and maybe give some other windmill info for her)? 
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No point arguing. Just say &quot;yes Grandma&quot; and enjoy her company while you still can.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tobias Dammers)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826040#target">Tobias Dammers</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>No point arguing. Just say &quot;yes Grandma&quot; and enjoy her company while you still can.</p></div></div><p>

I suppose, but what bugs me is that she&#39;s not THAT old. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Here&#39;s to hoping you didn&#39;t inherit too many of her genes!
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (SonShadowCat)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>yeah... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/rolleyes.gif" alt="::)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>She&#39;s not old <i>enough</i> (to remember the 1930&#39;s)</p><p><a href="http://www.windmills.net/">http://www.windmills.net/</a>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>One way or the other I suppose.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Chris Katko)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Technically they do have motors in them.  A generator is basically the same as a motor...  It&#39;s just that the motor is being used to generate electricity by the turning of the blades and not the motor being used to spin the blades.  </p><p>In some modern systems you can use the generator as a motor to spin the blades at low speed to position a blade or gear box for maintenance, but there are other ways to do that too...
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Ron Novy)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>&quot;Motor&quot; is short for motivator or something.  The term you&#39;re looking for is &quot;transducer&quot;.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826034#target">gnolam</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>Haven&#39;t you ever wondered why windmills and wind turbines almost always face East or West? If you had counted them, you&#39;d realized it&#39;s almost an exact 50/50 split. Why? Because that way, the momentum cancels out.</p></div></div><p>
No, no, no! Those facing to the West blow, but those facing to the East suck! They don&#39;t even any momentum. <i>They keep the Earth rotating!</i> Any talk about the Earth axis is just bull-<span class="cuss"><span><span class="cuss"><span>shit</span></span></span></span>. There&#39;s nothing from outside attached to the assumed axis ends at the poles.</p><p><div class="media-player youtube"><div style="margin: 1em 2em; background: url(/images/movie.png); width: 180px; height: 100px; text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWYT53lUVgM" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/object/4/a/4ab26e854c002a4657fa9e701a79f304.jpg" border="0" alt="video" title="Click to play video" /></a></div></div></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">The guy said:</div><div class="quote"><p>Near the town of Pori, near the sea, you can see these three high pillars. Each has a huge propeller at the end. And the propellers are rotating. Can&#39;t think of a more stupid use for electricity.</p></div></div><p>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Johan Halmén)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826028#target">waldchr</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>My Grandma believes with all her heart that the wind can&#39;t be rotating the blades of a windmill.</p></div></div><p>
That&#39;s right. That we used windmills to pump water out of the polders is a common misconception. The fact is that the water flowed uphill due to the tides (so you need to shut the sluices at the turn of the tide, or the water will flow back down hill) to power the windmills. These windmills then generated wind that would be used to blow away the clouds so we had less rain and generally better weather.</p><p>Of course, everyone knows that running water keeps things cool, so by reducing the amount of rain with our windmills, we actually caused the Earth to heat up, leading to global warming.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Evert)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826163#target">Johan Halmén</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
No, no, no! Those facing to the West blow, but those facing to the East suck! They don&#39;t even any momentum. They keep the Earth rotating!
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So when the Bible mentions the sun stopped in the sky, the windmills were undergoing maintainence or what?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>No, they were turned around by enemy forces, and naturally, it caused the earth to stand still.</p><p>&quot;Baby, I&#39;d make the earth stand still for you.  Hold that thought...  Captain!  Assemble the men.  I want every windmill on the west coast turned 180 degrees!&quot;
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>waldchr: I believe X-G thought up that link on the spot.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (gnolam)</author>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Windmills are used to generate electricity by means of air,the natural resource.Now why does anyone run the windmill with a motor inside it.Its nothing more than wastage of power.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Shravan)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Johan Halmén)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Shravan: Tell that to her <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Shravan)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>It&#39;s like arguing with my mother. She&#39;ll say things such as 
</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>&quot;It&#39;s not my opinion, it&#39;s fact!&quot; </p></div></div><p>
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..and then she gets upset when I tell her that she&#39;s dogmatic and illogical.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (james_lohr)</author>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Ben Delacob)</author>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (LennyLen)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826436#target">Shravan</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Can you tell me how to contact her.
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<img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/huh.gif" alt="???" /> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (blargmob)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (weapon_S)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Does she realize winmills where around long, LONG before even steam engines (of any useful capacity)...? YOU CAN NOT LET THIS TRAVESTY CONTINUE. Tell her that this is an obvious sign of dementia and that if she continues this behaviour, you will have no other option than to lock her up in a home.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826623#target">waldchr</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>You guys realize that I was talking about those things that generate electricity, right?</p></div></div><p>

No, because you said a windmill.  Most people associate the word Windmill with the older type of devices that were used to mill grain (hence the name) or pump water.  The modern varieties that generate electricity are generally referred to as Wind Turbines.</p><p>So does she believe that the old pre-electric types were pwered by the wind, and not the modern ones?
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (gnolam)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>sorry about the mix up.  That&#39;s just what we call them around here (mainly because we don&#39;t have any &quot;real&quot; windmills).</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826624#target">LennyLen</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>So does she believe that the old pre-electric types were pwered by the wind, and not the modern ones?</p></div></div><p>

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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (waldchr)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>You could show her the wikipedia page on windmills? If she knows what wikipedia is.<br />If I were to see a modern windmill from the inside, I wouldn&#39;t be able to tell there wasn&#39;t a motor in there.<br />Wait; normal people know windmills only work when there is wind... So your grandma thinks... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /><br />BTW isn&#39;t she pulling your leg? They like to do that, old people.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (weapon_S)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826721#target">waldchr</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826624#target">LennyLen</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>So does she believe that the old pre-electric types were pwered by the wind, and not the modern ones?</p></div></div><p>
Yes</p></div></div><p>
So her theory is that these things are completely capable of being driven by the wind, but now we have electricity we don&#39;t allow that to happen?</p><p>I think these ones from Manchester are powered electrically:<br /><span class="remote-thumbnail"><span class="json">{"name":"pd1792420.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/3\/b\/3bfdabbbca8e986a4d09b0de627bae36.jpg","w":337,"h":500,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/3\/b\/3bfdabbbca8e986a4d09b0de627bae36"}</span><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/3/b/3bfdabbbca8e986a4d09b0de627bae36-240.jpg" alt="pd1792420.jpg" width="240" height="356" /></span><br />For one thing, they go at a constant rate even in the absence of wind.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Harte)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/601311/826800#target">Thomas Harte</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>So her theory is that these things are completely capable of being driven by the wind, but now we have electricity we don&#39;t allow that to happen?</p></div></div><p>

Yeah, something like that.
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