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		<title>OUTCLASS v20060718 [menu system test, win32 only]</title>
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		<webMaster>matthew@allegro.cc (Matthew Leverton)</webMaster>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>i&#39;m creating a multiplayer 2D shooter called OUTCLASS. currently i&#39;ve done own menu system and i want you to test it.</p><p>first of all some screenshots:</p><p>main menu:<br /><span class="remote-thumbnail"><span class="json">{"name":"dbimage.php","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/a\/5\/a59bf30d4719195565b217c243d48438.jpg","w":640,"h":480,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/a\/5\/a59bf30d4719195565b217c243d48438"}</span><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/a/5/a59bf30d4719195565b217c243d48438-240.jpg" alt="dbimage.php" width="240" height="180" /></span></p><p>audio settings menu:<br /><span class="remote-thumbnail"><span class="json">{"name":"dbimage.php","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/5\/a\/5ae6460407de4da253fb8da95bbc3014.jpg","w":640,"h":480,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/5\/a\/5ae6460407de4da253fb8da95bbc3014"}</span><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/5/a/5ae6460407de4da253fb8da95bbc3014-240.jpg" alt="dbimage.php" width="240" height="180" /></span></p><p>video settings menu:<br /><span class="remote-thumbnail"><span class="json">{"name":"dbimage.php","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/d\/b\/db252f0acdb4cf9369c907d7c4e00d0e.jpg","w":640,"h":480,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/d\/b\/db252f0acdb4cf9369c907d7c4e00d0e"}</span><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/d/b/db252f0acdb4cf9369c907d7c4e00d0e-240.jpg" alt="dbimage.php" width="240" height="180" /></span></p><p>credits screen:<br /><span class="remote-thumbnail"><span class="json">{"name":"dbimage.php","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/1\/a\/1a4d10cc4d9557a7f919b2d60322adcd.jpg","w":640,"h":480,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/1\/a\/1a4d10cc4d9557a7f919b2d60322adcd"}</span><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/1/a/1a4d10cc4d9557a7f919b2d60322adcd-240.jpg" alt="dbimage.php" width="240" height="180" /></span></p><p>console:<br /><span class="remote-thumbnail"><span class="json">{"name":"dbimage.php","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/8\/9\/89482c808ba398610ee0a2dd244ac09b.jpg","w":640,"h":480,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/8\/9\/89482c808ba398610ee0a2dd244ac09b"}</span><img src="http://www.allegro.cc//djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net/image/cache/8/9/89482c808ba398610ee0a2dd244ac09b-240.jpg" alt="dbimage.php" width="240" height="180" /></span></p><p>download:<br /><a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS_v20060718_SETUP.exe?download">windows installer</a> - 2.13 MB<br /><a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS_v20060718_SOURCE.zip?download">source code [no music and datafiles]</a> - 260 KB<br /><b><a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS.v20060718.LITE.EX.zip?download">binary lite version</a></b> - 2 MB<br /><b><a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS.v20060718.LITE.zip?download">binary lite version [no music]</a></b> - 535 KB<br /><a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS_SOUNDTRACK.zip?download">music only</a> - 1.51 MB</p><p>more info:<br />you can&#39;t play a game. this is only the core system test.</p><p>what you can do in this version:
</p><ul><li><p>create multiple user profiles, each can have own password and settings.
</p></li><li><p>use menu system, to move around use keyboard or JOYPAD. mouse can be also used, but it&#39;s support is experimental.
</p></li><li><p>change video settings on the fly, like switching resolution, changing between windowed and fullscreen modes.
</p></li><li><p>change audio settings [OUTCLASS is using BASS] at run time.
</p></li><li><p>define controls [not many yet]. works keyboard + mouse + joypad/joystick/gamepad/whatever.
</p></li><li><p>use console to change all settings mentioned above and more. use command <tt>var_list</tt> for command list.
</p></li><li><p>change language, but you need to create a <tt>language_*.ini</tt> file on your own [in <tt>/ini</tt> dir].
</p></li><li><p>more, you need to discover it!</p></li></ul><p>final notes:
</p><ul><li><p>documentation is NOT included, sorry.
</p></li><li><p>music included in this release is <i>&#39;stolen&#39;</i> from the <a href="http://www.modarchive.com">MODARCHIVE</a> website.</p></li></ul><p>THANKS FOR ANY COMMENTS about this release. i&#39;m going to bed right now, to get some sleep. <br />tomasz grajewski
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Very polished and professional looking! I liked that the menu responded to common conventions like using TAB to move between different elements. As far as input is concerned: when I made my first player it asked for a country/flag. A nice feature, but also rather irritating that I had to scroll through the entire list. I live in the UK, so I feel hitting U should have really jumped to that alphabetic section.</p><p>As a side note, the texture behind the menu didn&#39;t really scroll that smoothly.</p><p>It looks <b>very</b> impressive so far. Keep up the good work.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>It crashes on my system, refresh rate not supported.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Paul whoknows)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Paul whoknows said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
It crashes on my system, refresh rate not supported.
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to change refresh rate manually, please edit the file <tt>ini/outclass.ini</tt> and add or edit this line:</p><p><tt>vid_refresh_rate = 160</tt></p><p>but this is very strange, that game crashes at this moment. can you tell me more about this crash? any message boxes appear, or something?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Sorry! I meant my monitor doesn&#39;t support your game defualt refresh rate!<br />Added that new line, it works now, but I can&#39;t control the menu because is constantly changing from one option to another, like if it were a key pressed down, perhaps the refresh rate change did this, not sure.</p><p>EDIT<br />I set it to 60fps
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Paul whoknows)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>maybe try to run it in windowed mode? add or edit this line in <tt>ini/outclass.ini</tt>:</p><p><tt>vid_fullscreen = false</tt></p><p>and please tell my, if your problems with keys are still present.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Would it be possible to also get &quot;music and datafiles [no windows installer]&quot;?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (miran)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">miran said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Would it be possible to also get &quot;music and datafiles [no windows installer]&quot;?
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added another link for download. it&#39;s in first post or <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS.v20060718.LITE.EX.zip?download">here</a>.</p><p>BTW miran, are you trying to run OUTCLASS in linux? please tell me if you succeed. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
please tell me if you succeed.
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No way, not even close. Your code is too platform dependant.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (miran)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Nial Giacomelli said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
I live in the UK, so I feel hitting U should have really jumped to that alphabetic section.
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as you said! added this functionality and it will be in the next version. thanks!</p><p>so anybody downloaded OUTCLASS and has some problems running it, or maybe any suggestions what can be improved?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I downloaded it and tried it out.  It worked fine, and looks really good.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (wiseguy)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/members/post-graph.php?id=44">Nice graph, wiseguy</a>.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Onewing)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I lost my net for a while, and I don&#39;t post unless I&#39;m asking or answering a question
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>VERY impressive; it has a very professional look and feel to it.  I can&#39;t wait to see the finished game.
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Very nice and polished! However, I am not sure why, but on the audio settings menu, the menu would periodically stop responding to the keyboard. It would work perfectly for a few seconds, and then would not respond for a few seconds, and then, after a that, it would &quot;catch up&quot; with the keypresses while &quot;frozen.&quot; This only happened in the audio settings menu.</p><p>As said before, it looks VERY polished and I can&#39;t wait to see the finished game be up to par with the menu!</p><p>[edit]</p><p>Actually, <a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/587880">this</a> thread looks like it is discussing the exact same problem, but it only seems to happen on the audio settings menu for me.</p><p>[/edit]
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (PaperStack)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Very nice indeed as posters above said.<br />I had the same problem with refresh rate, maybe you should lower the default to 60 and override it to whatever you want to use yourself with the .ini <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><p>As Nial said its somewhat irritating to get the flag (Sweden for me), then again, you said that it will be fixed so its all cool <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cool.gif" alt="8-)" /></p><p>When selecting a profile, its not obvious that you should enter your password, instead you get the error prompt. At that point I got the aha-moment ... need to provide password.</p><p>Does the mouse do anything else than move the menus up and down? It would be cool but not necesary to be able to affect the sliders with the mouse, or at least select the menuoptions.</p><p>Keep up the good work!
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (ixilom)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>thanks for a good word! and also thanks for some feedback. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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However, I am not sure why, but on the audio settings menu, the menu would periodically stop responding to the keyboard.
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it&#39;s true, especially on slower PC&#39;s, not only in audio settings, but i don&#39;t know yet why it is happening. i&#39;ve read this thread, that you&#39;ve mentioned and i hope, that i resolved this problem, but i&#39;m not sure, and need some time for testing...</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">ixilom said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
I had the same problem with refresh rate, maybe you should lower the default to 60 and override it to whatever you want to use yourself with the .ini
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this problem is already resolved, i fixed it and it shouldn&#39;t be a problem in a next version.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">ixilom said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Does the mouse do anything else than move the menus up and down?
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well, as i said in the first post, the mouse support is rather experimental. you can use it to move trough menus by third mouse button and wheel. pointer is displayed only for testing purposes.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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it&#39;s true, especially on slower PC&#39;s, not only in audio settings, but i don&#39;t know yet why it is happening. i&#39;ve read this thread, that you&#39;ve mentioned and i hope, that i resolved this problem, but i&#39;m not sure, and need some time for testing...
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Here are the specs of the laptop I was testing it on (in case it helps you):</p><p>Intel Pentium M 1.5 GHz (*Running at 595 MHz*)<br />512 MB RAM<br />ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 32 MB<br />Running at 800 X 600 Fullscreen (when I noticed the problem)</p><p>Microsoft USB Wireless Optical Mouse
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (PaperStack)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>i forgot to ask about the soundtrack (if you downloaded 2 MB version, 1h 13min). it is good? this soundtrack is not made by me, but if tracks are good enough, i plan to contact with the authors to get the permission for distribution with OUTCLASS.</p><p>so, how do you rate the tracks (1 - bad, 10 excellent)?<br /><tt>
A - &quot;ACIED&quot; [6:49]
B - &quot;B4STARD&quot; [3:36]
C - &quot;BIG BASS&quot; [6:01]
D - &quot;DEEP SPACE&quot; [3:34]
E - &quot;FUTURO&quot; [7:17]
F - &quot;MISSION GOA&quot; [6:39]
G - &quot;NATARAJA&quot; [8:56]
H - &quot;OVERDRIVE&quot; [2:05]
I - &quot;SCORPION TEMPLE&quot; [7:14]
J - &quot;SOME OTHER WORLD&quot; [4:20]
K - &quot;THE STORM&quot; [4:53]
L - &quot;SWEET DREAM&quot; (remix) [7:30]
M - &quot;THEYEAROFLIGHTYEAR&quot; [4:53]
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I&#39;m really terrible at rating stuff on a scale, but there are some thoughts.</p><p>If your game is going to be a fast paced game with instant action, most of the songs have too long intro (around 1 minute). Sometimes thats 1/3&#39;rd of the total song???</p><p>I didn&#39;t really like was Mister E - Sweet dream, its changing &quot;style&quot; too often IMHO, probably made for a scene-demo. The problem is that once the song get to a intensive part, maybe your game is just sending a few enemies to shoot at, and when it easing down there are overwhelming with enemies to some &quot;You are number 392&quot;-telephonequeue-tune.</p><p>In short, I&#39;d try to find tracks that are rather intensive from the begining to the end, that way you make sure the player is on his/her guard at all times.<br />OTH, most of the songs (besides Sweet dream) would work as soundtrack for the menus.</p><p>Most of the tracks are really good (8 or 9 if I must use a scale), but perhaps not for your game.</p><p>Just my thoughts on it <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cool.gif" alt="8-)" /></p><p>ps. You should provide a zip with the songs since the demo you gave us doesn&#39;t allow to fast forward. And its less to download for those who havent got the demo yet <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (ixilom)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>added a zip with the music only. it&#39;s in the first post and <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/outclass/OUTCLASS_SOUNDTRACK.zip?download">here</a>. tracks are in the <tt>.mo3</tt> format, to play them you can use <a href="http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html">XMPlay</a>.</p><p>EDIT:<br />and about the game. it will be a mixture of the well known worms and less known <a href="http://www.soldat.pl/">soldat</a> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /> so expect fast and furious action, with destructable terrain and gibs falling from the sky... or something like that <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Just tried it out now.</p><p>Very slick interface.  Good music to boot.  Well done.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Samuel Henderson)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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<b>less known</b> soldat
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Soldat is the greatest bestest game evar!
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (miran)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">miran said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Soldat is the greatest bestest game evar!
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probably yes. i haven&#39;t played it too long, maybe one hour few years ago. i liked the idea of this game.</p><p>and about OUTCLASS. maybe some more comments about it? anyone had any problems running it? any crashes, system lock-ups? please post if you had any of these! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><p>BTW, i made the <a href="http://outclass.sf.net">home page for OUTCLASS</a>. it&#39;s rather very simple, but will be updated, as the game will evolve.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tomasz Grajewski)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I listened to a few of the songs (not all of them though) and I mostly agree with ixilom. The ones that I listened to were all not very suitable for a game. If the game is fast, then the progressions are too slow and if it&#39;s a slow exploration kind of game, then the dynamic range is too big (goes from soft and slow to fast and loud and then back) which creates too much distraction. Maybe if you really like the style, you could contact the author(s) to have them make new music for you, specially designed for being used in a game. Judging by the screenshots in this thread, you should have no problem getting people&#39;s interet in this.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (miran)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>this thread is dying, but i must ask again to be sure: <b>did OUTCLASS crashed for anyone? any problems running it, other than those already mentioned?</b></p><p>if no one will reply, then i assume that it works perfectly (the bugs and mis-features mentioned above has been fixed for the next release).</p><p>SO THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT! i hope that all of you will check the next version, which is coming soon <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /></p><p>EDIT:<br />about the music - probably the next release will contain a different sountrack (maybe more guitars?). i&#39;m still searching for more music, which will be better than current <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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