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		<webMaster>matthew@allegro.cc (Matthew Leverton)</webMaster>
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ADSL. Sweet. I haven&#39;t actually tried testing the speed of this thing (at least twice as fast as the old 56K as far as loading forum pages, anyway) but I got a deal where it costs the same as my old dial-up for most of the next year, and my phone line is finally free. Me likey.</p><p>Now, I&#39;m thinking I finally need a firewall. I could do a search for possible suggestions; in fact, I have a few committed to memory from poll threads <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /> But I want to know what&#39;s the best for a newb. I see people talking about what packets go out port 233 and only keeping port 80 open for their server and a bunch of other crap I don&#39;t understand. What&#39;s a decent free firewall for idiots? And once I get the hang of it, what firewall should I step up to? Anyone have any other random input? Thanks <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (lambik)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>ZA is probably the most newbie-friendly personal firewall, but I&#39;d still recommend <a href="http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html">Kerio Personal Firewall</a> - the learning curve isn&#39;t that much steeper than ZA, and it gives you a heck of a lot more control. And ZA feels a bit... bloated.</p><p>Don&#39;t worry about which ports should be open and which shouldn&#39;t - just give access to the applications you want and you should be fine with the rest on default settings.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (gnolam)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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Okay, I&#39;ll give Kerio a shot. (yikes; 2MB in 20 seconds!!1 <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" />)</p><p>BTW, how might I go about checking if there&#39;s a trogan on my system? And I am still a bit paranoid about staying online for long periods, but I think I&#39;ll try being on MSN/ICQ more often. My brother is probably wondering why he never sees me online <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /> Probably better find out if Miranda or Gain still work with MSN; what happened with that?</p><p>General rambling follows: it&#39;s been a good &quot;stuff&quot; week for me. Two Amazon books (both on finance management), my modem, a new stereo (my old one was mostly broken) and some nice relaxed-fit jeans since I needed new pants <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /> I was going to get the stereo in a paycheck or two, but Wal-Mart (when I went for my pants) had a good deal on a 3-CD/radio/tape system with a remote even (under 70 bucks). Their Gamecubes are a friggin&#39; steal now at 116 bucks; that&#39;s the same price their GBA SP&#39;s are going for! PS2/XBox is still over 200 bucks though <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cry.gif" alt=":&#39;(" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I suggest <a href="http://housecall.trendmicro.com/">HouseCall</a> or <a href="http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php">AVG Antivirus</a>.</p><p>Both of which are free, and very good <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" /></p><p>edit: Ohh.. and Gaim works fine with MSN. just get the latest version.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>23 you should get a copy of ZA like everyone else has told you... but if you have a spare old pc you could set up a ipcop firewall. IPCop is quite easy to setup + free. You can also use this firewall to share the internet connection(if that appeles to you).</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Probably better find out if Miranda or Gain still work with MSN; what happened with that?
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Gaim still works with MSN <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (PyroBoy)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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I have AVG, Ad-Aware, and (soon) Kerio going. Anything else?</p><p>I like Miranda more than Gaim ... I&#39;m going to go get the latest version and see if it works ...
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>while you are spending all your loons, you could cobble together a Linux box as a proper firewall/server. It&#39;s sweet having a Linux box just a PuTTY away <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Matt Smith)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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Once I get my money situation together, I&#39;m going to think about building a good computer from scratch. When that happens, I&#39;m going to use this one to play with Linux <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><p>And Gaim is being mean to me <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/sad.gif" alt=":(" /> &quot;23yrold3yrold has been disconnected&quot;; thanks, how informative. I wish my compiler had helpful messages like that (&quot;Error: does not compile&quot;) ...
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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My friend Adam lives out in the middle of bum-yuck nowhere, and has Dial-Up (worst place to have dial-up, too). Whenever he comes over, he downloads gigabytes upon gigabytes of stuff and burns it to CD.. and he&#39;s continuously muttering &quot;I hate you.&quot; over and over again while doing it. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
BTW, how might I go about checking if there&#39;s a trogan on my system?</p></div></div><p>
I like to use McAfee&#39;s Stinger app. Works very well, and is the least bloatiest virus program you will ever find. It can&#39;t GET any leaner without sacrificing user friendliness. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /><br />It&#39;s a standalone program, too, so there&#39;s no installation process at all. Just download and run.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>PS2/XBox is still over 200 bucks though </p></div></div><p>
Save up an X-Box or PS2 fund util boxing day. I know I&#39;m going to be going crazy. Every single year I find sweet deals, but never have any money.. this year shall be different. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><p>Congratulations on getting high speed <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Derezo)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Zaphos)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Pradeepto Bhattacharya)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I remember reading something bad about AVG as well, but I don&#39;t think it was as bad as half the virus getting through.  I used to use it for a while, but now I just use Norton Systemworks - much better!</p><p>If your looking for (another) firewall, you might want to try out Sygate Personal Firewall as well.</p><p>Thinking of getting a new computer?  Why not try one of <a href="http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/index.htm">these...</a> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Eskimo Ninja)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>You bought two books from Amazon on finance management.</p><p>You&#39;d think the first fule of finiance management would be not to buy too many books from Amazon. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Eric Love)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Why&#39;s that, Eric? Amazon.ca would most likely save 23 on PST, because it&#39;s outside his province... and it&#39;s generally the same price or cheaper than local stores, or places like Chapters.</p><p>I always buy my DVDs, Games and Books there. Cheaper, I don&#39;t need to leave the house (which can be a pain without a car), and it&#39;s &quot;Free Shipping&quot; on orders over $40 ($39).</p><p>Just my 2 cents. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Derezo)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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I notice Amazon now carries video games. I was thrilled since their prices are usually so low ... then I found out they&#39;re still full price since it&#39;s just Toys &#39;R&#39; Us&#39; service. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /> Bummer.</p><p>I know AVG got a bad review somewhere, but it&#39;s worked well for me, and I forget the name of the freeware program that got a good review (starts with an &#39;A&#39; ...)
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Ron Ofir)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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Firewall&#39;s up. Should I be at all concerned that a bazillion (by which, I mean a half dozen or so) people/computers/things constantly want to send me ICMP packets (usually calling itself a &quot;tcpip kernel driver&quot;)? Denying them isn&#39;t affecting my ability to view all the web pages I normally do. They mostly have names that imply they&#39;re local. What&#39;s up with these things? Signs of a trogan on my system? Just random arsewipe hackers?</p><p>I&#39;m going to read Kerio&#39;s docs later when I get a chance (before anyone tells me to RTFM <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />)
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Ron Ofir)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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It&#39;s <b>alive!!</b> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" /><img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Fladimir da Gorf)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>23: that &quot;tcp/ip kernel driver&quot; is actually the MSBlaster virus.</p><p>you aren&#39;t running 2k or XP are you?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (phate)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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Nope, Win98 (this isn&#39;t common knowledge by now?) <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /> Thanks for the tip; that bloody thing was hitting me hard.</p><p>And I&#39;m presently on a Mac laptop of some kind, and I see my avatar is fubared <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /> Lovely ... I hate IE. <b>changes avatar</b>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>yikes!! win98?? that bloody os is unstable, time to upgrade, buddy!</p><p>Kerio is the best firewall available and it&#39;s free for personal use. It can however be annoying when it comes to ICS/file sharing at first but then it performs really well and doesnt take much resources <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (the_y_man)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>yikes!! win98?? that bloody os is unstable, time to upgrade, buddy!</p></div></div><p>Dude, I hear that about every Windows OS <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /> Depending on the person I&#39;m talking to, 2000 is the best, XP is the best, 98 is the best, etc.</p><p>I just wanted to make sure it was a good idea to cut that stuff off. Only things I let through my firewall so far are mIRC, Firebird, and Thunderbird.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Nothing wrong with &#39;98.  Just cause it&#39;s buggy and unstable and crashes every 3 seconds doesn&#39;t mean its a bad OS - just look at the popularity of the latest version of Windows.  Hell, I use it myself because I&#39;m to cheap to buy the latest version of Bugdoes XP.</p><p>But seriously, I haven&#39;t really had many problems with Windows 98.  One of the advantages of having such an out of date system is that most of the newer virii cant/wont infect such an old system! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Eskimo Ninja)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Phate said:</div><div class="quote"><p>23: that &quot;tcp/ip kernel driver&quot; is actually the MSBlaster virus.</p></div></div><p>
... I don&#39;t know how you get that.. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/rolleyes.gif" alt="::)" /><br />That&#39;s just other people/servers scoping you out. My server gets about 10 of those every minute.<br />Some of them could be related to MSBlaster, but most likely the majority are not. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">CB said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
98 is the best
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This person should be shot.<br />98 sucks. It&#39;s very unstable, as mentioned.<br />Though, I understand you have a celery.. so.. it&#39;s pretty much your only option. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /><br />I had a 1.7ghz celery in here a week or two ago. Thing took about 2 minutes to boot into XP (Duron 1.2ghz takes about 15 seconds), and about the same amount of time to shut down. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/sad.gif" alt=":(" /><br />Felt guilty to the guy I was selling it to... but it had a nice motherboard in it that supports up to 3ghz.. and he did get a deal... so.... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Derezo)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>My dad&#39;s Win95 OSR2 has been great for him. I wouldn&#39;t put anything more on that machine anyway <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /> (p1 233, 64mb ram)</p><p>Depends on what you use a machine for.. for development, any 9x (ME) OS is mostly useless. But if you&#39;re just surfing or email (but not with Outlook), 98 should be fine, though, I&#39;d recomend 98b <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /> at least...
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>Depends on what you use a machine for.. for development, any 9x (ME) OS is mostly useless.</p></div></div><p>Gee, thanks .... why?</p><p>Heh; just noticed me and Derezo have similar looking avatars <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (23yrold3yrold)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>That we do...<br />I should change mine after I get a hair cut.</p><p>However, I&#39;ve been saying that I&#39;m going to get a hair cut since August.. so... ... don&#39;t hold your breath. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">23, regarding developing on 98 said:</div><div class="quote"><p>why?</p></div></div><p>
Mistakes you make are much more likely to bring down the entire OS rather than just give you an error message.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Derezo)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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Heh; just noticed me and Derezo have similar looking avatars 
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Steve Terry)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>yeah, it does look pervish.</p><p>I stronlgy recomment win2k my sister&#39;s comp is now running windows 2000 (P II 225 mhz, 32+128 mb ram) and it&#39;s an internet gateway.<br />Win 2k actually runs faster than win 98, but it just asks for more ram.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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