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fallenlight12
Member #14,669
October 2012

Well I think we're screwed. It breaks down to a simple principle. One person in a house and they can do just about anything. Two people and they watch their porn privately. Three people or more and they're wishing they lived on their own, or they're so drugged or inhibited they don't care anymore.

The more people are smashed together, the more they restrict their freedoms to interact peacefully. This is because while it might be ok for some, it's not for others. For example, somebody can eat peanuts but someone else can't and those peantus can't even be nearby. The result is NOBODY eats peanuts.

The more concentrated we're on this planet, the more freedoms we'll lose. I also think people will increasingly go into private worlds to enjoy fake freedoms. When that fails, there's really no other place to go right now. Even our own thoughts will be watched for 'dangerous' ones. So people will have to accept losing freedoms somehow. The only choice you have in this is whether you willingly accept or are forced to. Sucks, but this is what I see.

And even if our population remained unchanged or reduced, it changes almost nothing. The internet and other technologies--including brain/thought scanners--will increasingly shrink space/time--the processes on our planet. This produces the same result as if we were all moved closed together. We're doomed.

The only thing preventing a implosion and collapse of all individual freedom are laws of nature, like speed of light limit and other laws. This means there'll always be some amount of individual freedom across the universe. However, to what extent this is meaningful is a mystery to me. I shouldn't fail to mention even if everything did implode and all freedom is lost, it doesn't preclude the possiblity of a single entity existing, representing all existing life. Individual lifeforms, such as ourselves, would be its body parts, comprising its being. But what kind of life would this super being have, if it cannot interact with other super beings?

Neil Roy
Member #2,229
April 2002
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And the fact that US French have both the wine AND the cheese ?

Impossible! Lies, all lies!!! ;D

And if you want to piss me off by all means call me a Sunday Christian again.

Hmmm... should I answer the dinosaur one or not... if I answer, I am sucked into yet another ongoing debate. If I don't, they claim "Ha, he doesn't know how to answer me!"... I think I'll take a pass on this and let you think what you wish. I do have an answer on this, and I think it is quite solid and I even have Biblical scripture which talks about them and when they were created and what wiped them out, and what they were called before the 1800s when the word "Dinosaur" was invented etc... etc... etc... but... maybe Edgar can answer that one for you. :)

Edit: Almost forgot, if you want to know the shape of the Earth, just review old Apollo video. As for what the Bible says, I have a good answer to that too, but... I'll let Edgar answer that. :P

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And if you want to piss me off by all means call me a Sunday Christian again.

My sincere apologies. But you do seem to be keeping the same doctrines they are so... <shrug> but I am sorry if that was an error.

As for why I believe the way I do. Instead of me answering that and getting sucked in and attacked over and over again. I recommend you study the Bible where it mentions Jesus returning to Earth, where He rules when He does, what is the first command He will give and where will He be when He gives it and to whome will He give it?

I MIGHT be persuaded to answer these questions... but only if you are willing to accept what the Bible says, otherwise, what's the point? Unless we have a common ground, like the Bible which we can agree that what it says is fact, than it's pointless. I have yet to see this sort of thing turn out good. Do you believe John 3:13 or do you make up a reason why it doesn't mean what it says? That's usually a good place to start. If you don't believe what it says than anything else I quote is pointless as that verse is as clear as it gets. I usually use it as a test verse to see if someone will believe it, or twist it to mean something else. Then I know if I can talk to them at all.

Have a good one, and again, no insult intended. If you don't believe what the Bible says and you're not a Sunday Christian... I am stumped... ;) But I would be as insulted as you if someone called me a Sunday Christian so I totally know where you're coming from in that regard at least! ;)

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Derezo said:

A homeless meth addict stole a bike from a friend of mine. I went to elementary school with said homeless guy and was considering messaging him on Facebook (even homeless people have Facebook here) and asking him to at least apologise. The following Thursday evening at dinner I prayed for this, that he would go to my friend's shop and apologise to him and try to correct his wrongs.

The next day, on Friday, I went to my friend's shop and he said the homeless guy had come in, trembling and terrified, apologised, and handed his wife a letter.

The letter read something along the lines of "I am deeply sorry for the immature acts I have done to you, and I ask for your forgiveness in Jesus glorious name.", and it was signed.

When I read the letter I was floored. I took pictures, showed it to everyone, it was amazing.

The following week he returned and paid my friend $200 to replace the bike. How he got that money I have no idea, but it happened.

There is much more to the story of how this came about than just me and my prayer. He was also refused entry to the homeless shelter and the staff there, who are also mutual friends and attend the same shop, told him he was no longer welcome until he repaid for the bike. They convinced him to do it...

... but, still, my prayer was answered.

Here's another true story (and incidentally the origin of the name LennyLen). Make of it what you will.

This was many years ago, around the mid-90s. I was at a party with a friend and we decided head in to town and hit the clubs. We dropped our acid, hopped on our bikes and headed in. We got most of the way there (this was about 15 minutes later, for those who think the acid may have been a factor at this point; acid generally takes about 45 mins to kick in, and for me it's a bit longer as my digestive system doesn't work so well) when the chain on my bike snapped.

As we didn't have any tools with us to fix it, we dumped it in some bushes and continued on foot. The night passed, and around 6am I left to get my bike and wheel it home. When I got to it, I found that someone had repaired the chain, painted the bike in psychedelic patterns and had also painted LennyLen on the front mudguard. Thinking I was still tripping, I ran to a nearby friend's house and dragged him out of bed to come look at it. He confirmed it was real and not imaginary, so I attributed it at the time to tripping fairies. I've used the name ever since in hope that one day I'll find out who did it.

Nobody has ever come forward, so tripping fairies must exist.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004

Can I join the Holy Church of the Tripping Fairy? It sounds nice :)

Neil Roy
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April 2002
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Neil -- that is surprisingly appropriate ;D He had no idea what was going on.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Neil Roy
Member #2,229
April 2002
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I try to play along and see the humour in all of this and you still find a way to turn my post into an insult? I think it's time I left these forums for good.

Edgar Reynaldo
Member #8,592
May 2007
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I don't think it was really intended as an insult. That's just how they feel. I don't worry about trying to change people's minds, I just want to show them the truth. Maybe some will get it. If not, I tried. I just don't like lies or mis-teaching.

Derezo
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April 2001
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Neil Roy said:

I try to play along and see the humour in all of this and you still find a way to turn my post into an insult?

I thought it was funny! I just found that Buzz Lightyear scene you posted to be very analogous to your situation. He believes in Star Command, and everyone around him doesn't and knows that it's just his toy story, but he continues believing anyways. If you remember, in the movie, the outcomes of his actions continue to support his beliefs even though it isn't real. That doesn't matter, because it is real for him.

Sorry if that's offensive, but it's just how I see it when you say that you believe in faith healing and things of that nature. It's exactly like Buzz believing his wings make him fly, even though he was really just bouncing off a ball.

That idea is what I described when I talked about my own experience with prayer. It was more than my prayer that created the results. One could see it as "The work of God", but what I am stressing is that there are both naive and sophisticated ways of arriving at that conclusion. I find that people who are quick to call it a miracle have a very naive understanding of God, as it is in my view anyway.

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I think it's time I left these forums for good.

Well, you did say your New Years Resolution was to avoid debates about religion. ;D

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Neil Roy
Member #2,229
April 2002
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Derezo said:

Well, you did say your New Years Resolution was to avoid debates about religion. ;D

True. I'll have to avoid such conversations totally as they never end well. I'm just feeling sick lately and have a low tolerance for debates and such. Sorry.



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