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Why using Python is supporting bigotry
torhu
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September 2002
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Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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Wee, another quarterly anti-feminist thread!

torhu
Member #2,727
September 2002
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Right, were you already familiar with this?

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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I'm familiar with anti-feminist threads being posted four times a year on average.

Are you talking about the tweet? I don't know the context. I read the article in the tweet and generally agree with the idea. Does that make me a bigot? Or does not agreeing with it make one a bigot? I don't know. :'(

torhu
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September 2002
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Supporting the kind of "correlation equals causation" feminism that van Rossum supports makes you a bigot in practice, I think. Because of the kind of politics that feminist activist in The West generally want. And van Rossum seems to support that.

raynebc
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May 2010

Several of the items on that numbered list boil down to "go out of your way to support feminism instead of treating all people equally or based on merit". I consider that to be bullshit. Plus the list pushes typical cliché falsehoods like "women are paid less than men due to institutional sexism instead of their life choices." A man not being a supporter of modern feminism does not automatically make him a misogynist, and any suggestion to the contrary is misandry.

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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torhu said:

Supporting the kind of "correlation equals causation" feminism that van Rossum supports makes you a bigot in practice, I think.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you provide examples?

Do you think being intolerant of intolerance is a form bigotry?

torhu
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raynebc said:

Several of the items on that numbered list boil down to "go out of your way to support feminism instead of treating all people equally or based on merit". I consider that to be . Plus the list pushes typical cliché falsehoods like "women are paid less than men due to institutional sexism instead of their life choices."

Yeah, that's especially ironic if you consider how stereotypically "meritocratic" van Rossum's career has been. He was hired by Google, I think mainly to work on The App Engine, which was written in Python, or at least had a Python API. Then he quit to join DropBox while they were in their early phase. All the while having a family. Imagine the kind of money of financial guarantees the guy probably had for him to quit Google for DropBox in that situation. What a hypocryte.

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A man not being a supporter of modern feminism does not automatically make him a misogynist, and any suggestion to the contrary is misandry.

Yes, but no.

Do you think being intolerant of intolerance is a form bigotry?

Isn't that more or less the definition or bigotry?

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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torhu said:

Isn't that more or less the definition or bigotry?

No. It's a philosophical question and has no semantically or objectively right or wrong answer.

I'd like to add I like programming and since von Rossum does, that makes me a bigot like him too, according to your logic. Do you like programming? ;D

torhu
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No, that's not the logic I'm using. He's the lead of the Python project, and he supports bigotry against men. Using Python does not make you a bigot.

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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What bigotry against men?

torhu
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I already answered that, let's not go round in circles 8-)

SiegeLord
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October 2006
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I mean, the man created Python. With those kinds of mental defects, it's no wonder his opinions on other aspects of life are similarly warped. You kind of just shake your head and move on. In this specific case, use tabs for indentation in Python files to spite the greater Python community :P.

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torhu
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September 2002
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I think Python is probably the best dynamic scripting language today from a pragmatic standpoint. But their "benevolent dictator" is not so benevolent anymore. It's a good case for democracy, or rather, meritocracy. If Linus Torvalds went off the rails like this, he would want the community to fire him >:(

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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torhu said:

I already answered that, let's not go round in circles

Where?

Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Python is a snake.

Snake == virtual penis.

Patriarchy has been confirmed by science.

-----sig:
“Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute.” - Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

torhu
Member #2,727
September 2002
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A snake is a living dildo, have you never been to a Swedish porn shop?

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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I see. It's evident you just want a safe space to lambast feminism.

Have at it.

torhu
Member #2,727
September 2002
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Call your mom's cell cell phone when you have figured out a real reply, it's usually at my bedside table :-*

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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You're a self-admitted necrophiliac (paragraph 2), congrats! :D

Common online debate has one functional purpose: to re-affirm one's own views while humiliating the other party. There is no desire to learn more about the other party, unless it is useful in mocking them, and there is no desire to reflect on one's own views. In simple words, it's juvenile. Case in point: our discussion.

torhu
Member #2,727
September 2002
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My point was to inform people of this problem that the Python project has. What's yours? Sorry about your mother, but that doesn't give you any kind of point here ;)

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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You've done a terribly poor job of informing. I know more from von Rossum from a quick search than your entire post history in this thread.

Are you bitter that von Rossum is a feminist in the tech world? Are you upset that he dares try and get women involved in software development? Are you angered he asked for questions from women at a Python convention?

I only know you 1) don't like him 2) are upset by his tweet. That's the only information you've provided.

torhu
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September 2002
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You are assuming a lot of things here. Not just about me, but about van Rossum. If I oppose the KKK, I'm not "bitter on the behalf of black people", most likely I just think that racism is a bad.

And for instance: van Rossum did not just "ask for questions from women". You need to look at all the information here, you seem to be ignoring the parts you don't like.

Gideon Weems
Member #3,925
October 2003

Guido has nothing to gain by white knighting, as he drowns in the wet panties of computer girls as-is.

torhu
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September 2002
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Does he? So what he is up to then?



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