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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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AK-47 said:

  • 1) "Children in cages"

    Yes, let's just dump them into the deserts at the border because their parents were arrested for breaking the law. They'll find their way home somehow.

  • 2) "Destruction of Indian burial grounds for a pointless billion dollar border wall that doesn't work"

    Walls do work. The 2016 DNC put up walls, the clown circus known as CHAZ has "walls" sort of, and every penitentiary uses walls to keep murderers away from everyone else until the left orders them released because they might catch the wuflu.

  • 3) "Countless rollbacks of laws designed to keep us safe from pollution and protect our environment"

    Like that dam in Michigan that burst because they wouldn't follow engineers recommendations to not let an earthworks dam endure maximum load for months to save some sort of fish (which got washed away in the flood presumably).

  • 4) "Selling the offices of our land to the highest campaign contributors."

    First hit on google was a government office, second hit was this
    https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/obama-donors-net-government-jobs-056993

  • 5) "Threatening to use the military against peaceful protests."

    'Peaceful protests' consisting of arson, looting and killing cops, ;D. The leftist mayors and governors told the police to stand down and wouldn't let the national guard do its job either. I'd like to see these lefties when somebody's knocking down their door in the middle of the night to liberate them of their wide screen TV etc. and they call 911 and get the message "That number is not in service"

  • 6) "Militant police using violent force against non violent protesters."

    See above

  • 7) "Egregious inflammation of race tensions"

    It's the lefties that need racial tensions to get attention. They keep raising the "poverty line" every time the percentage of poverty stricken people with their AC, cars and smart phones gets too low so they can claim "Something has to be done!"

  • 8) "The worst economy ever"

    Yes, the Democratic lockdown is the worst thing to happen in a looong time. Remember the '16 election? The Dems and the mainstream media were all yelling how the stock market was going to crash if Trump got elected, instead it set records for rising once we got rid of "Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama.

  • 9) "Over 100,000 dead from Covid 19 and the Trump administrations complete failure to act."

    The majority of people know the numbers are vastly inflated, although apparently the death rates from heart attack and cancer have gone down because they all died of wuflu first.

  • 10)
    And what would you like Trump to do? Give an executive order saying wuflu is illegal? After all, he really isn't a doctor, although the MSM keeps wildly exaggerating things like the guy that supposedly drank aquarium cleaner because the name was vaguely similar to the chloroquine that Trump mentioned, only to have it come out his looney leftie wife killed him.

1) Children and migrants and asylum seekers don't belong in cages / internement camps / prison. But that's where they are, because people like YOU support TRUMP. If not turned away, they should still be treated with civility, as much as YOU would expect if you visited a foreign country. There's no reason to 'dump anyone in the desert' to fend for themselves.

2) Your precious billion dollar wall was defeated by a sawzall. How's that for a waste of money? Something you say you're against.

3) No, not like a single example that had little to do with fish. More like consistenly, overarchingly poisoning our air and water. Try harder.

4) Every single appointment Trump has made has been bought and paid for by campaign contributions. He doesn't elect people based on merit or experience, but by how much money they've given him. If Obama did it too, then he was corrupt too. That doesn't make Trump any less corrupt. Can't blame this on Obama.

5) A good portion of the arson and looting was done by white supremacists trying to inflame race tensions. And if blacks have to burn down building so the cops will stop murdering them freely, then I say good on them.

6) Most if not all the protests in the United States were peaceful. And those peaceful protests were met with flash bangs, tear gas (outlawed by the Geneva convention), and lots of police brutality. Maybe you should change your tv channel once in a while.

7) You really have no idea what you're talking about with this one. People are poor because of your precious capitalism, not minimum wage inflation.

8) Imagine what would have happened without social distancing rules? Triple the number of cases and dead and you're probably close.

9) Please spare me your tripe. When they're packing semis full of dead bodies from covid 19 in your state, please try again.

10) Well, Trump does like to pretend he's a doctor. Amazingly you had enough sense not to start taking hydroxychloroquine, which does nothing, but Trump touted it as a miracle cure. "Pretty soon cases will be close to zero"

All your rhetoric is just useless tripe.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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"Maybe you should change your tv channel once in a while."

Maybe you should stop watching TV.

Look what happens when they try to post on youtube, more dislikes than likes and the comments are incredibly harsh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0WUlGjUGyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJx98zxA2cI

Most people are smarter than the ivory tower elite believe, and Trump Derangement Syndrome is highly infectious.

Yes, my post fu is weak due to lack of practice.

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as "bad luck.”

― Robert A. Heinlein

Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

And if blacks have to burn down building so the cops will stop murdering them freely, then I say good on them.

How about the rule of law instead? :-/
There is no political statement in looting and burning down local shops.

I've listened to a (black, apparently conservative) professor named Glenn Loury on Youtube a bit. Have never heard of him before. He seems to be quite sure about the numbers:

  • encounters of black people with the cops (as offenders) are, unfortunately, disproportionally more likely given higher incidence of crime

  • blacks are also disproportionally more likely to be victims of (black) crime, in fact black people need the police the most

  • whites are equally likely to be killed in encounters with the police (harassing is a different matter, but killing is not)

His conclusion is that it's mainly a policing problem but not necessarily a "racial" one.

A good portion of the arson and looting was done by white supremacists trying to inflame race tensions.

Do you have sources for that? Especially the "good portion" part?

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

Since I have a few minutes to kill, let's see if I can enlighten a partisan:
1. If I illegally entered a country, I'd fully expect to be put in jail if caught.
2. Since I know you're under-informed, I'll point out again that the wall structure itself is only part of the border protection and was never intended to be the only thing used to stop illegal entry. It slows entry and the accompanying technology and CBP agents detect and intercept offenders.
3. It's not the Federal government's job to micro-manage every facet of every State's business.
4. You have no credible argument here.
5. You misspelled Antifa again.
6. Police break up illegal protests all the time.
7. It's a fact that Capitalism has lifted more of the world from poverty than any other economic system.
8. Social distancing was considered helpful, but the lockdown of businesses is increasingly being seen as the bad medicine it is.
9. Trump's response was fine, and certainly better than gov. Cuomo's.
10. Trump cited contemporary studies and up-and-coming medical tech and highlighted them. There's nothing wrong with that. The MSM went out of its way (as it usually does) to claim Trump wrong no matter what the truth was or what the experts said. You're a willing pawn.

Chris Katko
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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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raynebc said:

Since I have a few minutes to kill, let's see if I can enlighten a partisan:
1. If I illegally entered a country, I'd fully expect to be put in jail if caught.
2. Since I know you're under-informed, I'll point out again that the wall structure itself is only part of the border protection and was never intended to be the only thing used to stop illegal entry. It slows entry and the accompanying technology and CBP agents detect and intercept offenders.
3. It's not the Federal government's job to micro-manage every facet of every State's business.
4. You have no credible argument here.
5. You misspelled Antifa again.
6. Police break up illegal protests all the time.
7. It's a fact that Capitalism has lifted more of the world from poverty than any other economic system.
8. Social distancing was considered helpful, but the lockdown of businesses is increasingly being seen as the bad medicine it is.
9. Trump's response was fine, and certainly better than gov. Cuomo's.
10. Trump cited contemporary studies and up-and-coming medical tech and highlighted them. There's nothing wrong with that. The MSM went out of its way (as it usually does) to claim Trump wrong no matter what the truth was or what the experts said. You're a willing pawn.

1) If you were seeking a better life, and you brought your children with you, and you thought your only chance was to illegally cross the border would you do it? Most of these people are migrants. Border laws are arbitrary, and make innocent people into criminals based on their socio-economic status.

2) If legal entry were available and accessible to migrants, I might actually give a shit what you think.

3) You're correct. The federal government's job is to make and enforce laws that benefit everyone.

4) You question my credibility on this? That's laughable. Look at every single appointment Trump has made and the financial ties that accompany it. You're dead wrong.

5) From the NY Times :

NY Times said:

Antifa is not an organization, and it does not have a leader, membership roles or any defined, centralized structure. It is a vaguely defined movement of people who share common protest tactics and targets.

Forbes said:

State authorities said they were monitoring alleged criminals online, including posts from suspected white supremacist groups trying to incite violence by promoting looting and mayhem in Minneapolis.

Interesting how a loosely based group of protesters managed to organize themselves and descend on Minneapolis and set the town on fire. Most of the looters were white and from out of state and were attempted to be stopped by black protesters.

6) The protests weren't illegal. There are 100s of videos showing police brutality against protesters. Sarah Grossman was sprayed with so much tear gas in her face that she died. The police targeted medics, water tents, journalists and protesters with rubber bullets (which are mostly metal and cause permanent damage), tear gas, pepper spray, flash bangs, metal batons, and violence. These were peaceful protests.

7) A fact huh? Which capitalist countries are doing so great then? There are many socialist states in Europe that do a far far better job of taking care of their populace than we do. They provide health care, education, social services, and plenty of other things that we have to pay out our ass for because of capitalism and the greed of the corporate market.

8) Without social distancing and a lockdown, the pandemic would have hit us much harder and much faster and there would be many many more dead and infected. Our hospitals would have been overwhelmed.

9) "Trump's response was fine" - bullshit. He ignored his top medical officials and government reports about the pandemic over and over again, calling it a democratic hoax and passing it off as nothing. He ignored calls for manufacturing of masks and personal protective equipment, and kept states from receiving the medical supplies they needed from the federal government. Trump is a total and utter failure as a president.

10) Trump touted therapies designed by companies he had financial ties to. That's the only reason he promoted them. He knew hydroxychloroquine was not efficacious or even appropriate for Covid-19 and he promoted it anyway. Repeat after me, Trump is not a doctor. He repeatedly ignored his top medical officials when they told him so. He's a brain dead idiot, and a greedy selfish lout.

You're just so wrong it's embarassing.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Yeah, you watch too much TV.

Go back to your regularly scheduled programming, at least you're good at that.

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as "bad luck.”

― Robert A. Heinlein

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

There are many socialist states in Europe

No, no, no! There is not a single socialist state in Europe since c. 1990. By all means, universal health care and state-funded education does not make a state socialist. US has public schools, state universities, and Social Security, too. It's a bit more of that, but still capitalism.
The "actually existing socialism" was something totally different, believe me.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

If you only pay attention to leftmedia, you won't know about Antifa. Hence, Edgar is ignorant of them.

Chris Katko
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I'm pretty dang left-wing, but Edgar, if you think ANTIFA isn't violent, you must sleep under a freaking rock and you've literally never even googled the phrase before coming to that conclusion.

We don't need to defend nutcases to win liberal causes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/antifa-attacks-a-journalist-11562021361

Beating up an Asian-American journalist... to help "progress". If that's what you call progress, I'm officially against it. I don't support beating up minorities. And the fact that I even have to suggest the idea, means whatever sources you listen to have successfully and completely brainwashed you.

When I was growing up, nobody told me liberal meant "beat up asians." And I find it offensive that's what it's become.

You're on the wrong side of history. Love wins because hate eats itself alive. Watch as each woke celebrity eats each other for not being woke enough until there's nothing left. Who you are today, no matter how woke enough, will still be racist and sexist tomorrow.

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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Wow. A single case of abuse. Compare that to the thousands of police misconduct stories.

But you know, openly lynching black people like it was the 1800s again is cool.

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Punch Nazis, win hearts. :heart:

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

Proof Edgar is ignoring everything except far left news sources. Not worth any more discussion.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/antifa-attacks-a-journalist-11562021361

Beating up an Asian-American journalist... to help "progress". If that's what you call progress, I'm officially against it. I don't support beating up minorities. And the fact that I even have to suggest the idea, means whatever sources you listen to have successfully and completely brainwashed you.

When I was growing up, nobody told me liberal meant "beat up asians." And I find it offensive that's what it's become.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

Looks like there's a bit more to that story... Apparently he was cooperating with a far-right group that targets left protestors with violence. Also, apparently that was nearly a year ago so not very relevant to now. :P

Referring to Antifa as an entity, as if it's a hive mind of Borg drones, is equally ridiculous as referring to the "left" as a single entity. There is no Antifa club. There are various groups that share similar ideas and may or may not use that label, but there's no structured doctrine by which all supporters are going to agree and no chain of command that links them all together. It's not as though a group in one neighborhood of one city was taking orders from headquarters on the other side of the country or globe. It's just individuals making split second choices for themselves under stressful and emotional circumstances trying to fight for what they believe in (or fuck shit up, if that's the individual's motive).

As for protestors that do resort to violence I don't see a huge problem with this depending on who the violence is directed at. The government is clearly disingenuous, especially the current administration. If there's no peaceful way to practically achieve righteous change then so be it.

When British, French, and Spanish pioneers landed in the Americans they didn't negotiate shared land usage with the native tribes that occupied the land. They murdered, raped, and enslaved them (and haven't really fully stopped mistreating them 400 years later). And they didn't have to do that. They simply were greedy and ignorant, and chose to do that because they could.

Sometimes change requires a force of hand. Which is very unfortunate, and we're getting better at resolving matters peacefully, but it's pretty damn evident to anybody watching that so called democratic governments aren't so democratic after all. Money is power. And the average person or group of persons does not have enough wealth to go up against the aristocrats. And so we have to exercise our power in other ways. Violence happens to be one of the easiest ones to exercise.

That said, police have been far more violent towards media so I don't think it's worth pointing out a few edge cases where protestors harmed media. It's kind of expected for unruly protestors to pose a danger to media. What's unprecedented in the West, at least as far as my knowledge goes, is police/law enforcement turning weaponry on media (and peaceful protestors)!

That's sort of on the same level as a referee clothes lining a player, kicking him in the face with his skate, and putting the player in the penalty box. You wouldn't be surprised for the player's team to pile onto the referee after that. If the rules aren't going to be followed then anything goes.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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raynebc said:

Proof Edgar is ignoring everything except far left news sources. Not worth any more discussion.

Ya know, I subscribed to Fox news on FB for shits and giggles. Mostly I get news from PBS, online, FB, NowThis, and various other groups and friends.

Where do you get your news? Like I told Arthur, I could use a good laugh.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Facebook is the worst place to go for news. Fucking hell, every other week my wife yells to me in a panic from another room to warn me about some deadly thing that is spreading on Facebook. Of course, being the voice of reason, I Google it and find that it's mostly myth spread by the idiocy of social media. :P

For provincial, national, and international news I predominantly use Reuters. I explicitly sought out an unbiased news source, and that's what I came across[1]. I don't understand why anybody would want news that is politically biased. News is meant to be truth, and the truth is not biased. I avoid most MSM sources because they're heavily biased and corrupt. Which isn't to say that Reuters can't possibly be biased or corrupt, but I certainly haven't seen anything to imply that it is, and it seems to be well respected overall too.

I do get some news from YouTube channels and things of that nature, but I always take this sort of information with a grain of salt. I typically try to first fact check anything that sounds questionable, or anything that I decide to pass on.

Append:

I'll just leave this here:

Dozens of Republican former U.S. national security officials are forming a group that will back Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, people familiar with the effort said, in a further sign that President Donald Trump has alienated some members of his own party.

...

The group will publicly endorse Biden in the coming weeks and its members plan to campaign for the former vice president who is challenging Trump in the Nov. 3 election, the sources said. It includes at least two dozen officials who served under Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, with dozens more in talks to join, the sources added.

They will argue that another four years of a Trump presidency would endanger U.S. national security and that Republican voters should view Biden as the better choice despite policy differences, the sources said.

References

  1. Not the original source, but my top Google search result today for "Reuters political bias": https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/ "Overall, we rate Reuters Least Biased based on objective reporting and Very High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information with minimal bias and a clean fact check record."
raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

Biden is barely a functional person anymore, he'd just be a meat puppet for somebody else to wield presidential power, if he didn't just retire soon into his term and make the VP president. Putting Democrats back in power would just hasten their forced demise of the country.

I'm not worried that a group of never-Trumpers are out never-Trumping. It's what they do.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Funny thing is people are also questioning Trump's medical fitness, and suggesting that he appears to be showing signs of Frontotemporal Dementia.

Democrats did a lot less damage the last 8 years they had office than Trump has done in 4. Face it: Trump is going to lose this, and he deserves to lose. Whether or not Biden will be good for America remains to be seen, but one thing the majority of people on Earth recognize is that Trump is definitely bad for America and for the world.

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

Bullsh*t, but who cares about the level of truth in shoddy polling anyway? If Trump wasn't president, the Economy would have been in the toilet and then the Chinese flu would have finished it off. Biden wouldn't be able to make it through a complete presidential debate with whatever's left of of his image intact, let alone a four year term.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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When I need someone to catch a loose cat, I call the armed police.

When I need someone to calm down an unarmed person with mental illness, I call the armed police.

When I need someone to fix my toilet, I called the armed police.

Because damnit, they are God-fearing, law-loving, righteous men and women. I don't want any peaceful, certified, qualified, educated person involved. >:(

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

If you're calling police to deal with cats or toilets, there's something wrong with your problem solving skills. That said, there should be better 911 response for people with mental issues, although if the person is a physical threat, somebody with the capability to use force will still probably need to accompany a mental health specialist.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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So do we raise taxes to cover additional professional public services, or do we replace some of the responsibilities of the police? (The latter is the most common meaning of "defunding the police.")

Because yes, police chase down dogs and climb trees to save kittens in many cities. Hopefully they aren't fixing toilets, but you never know.

The problem I have with police is that they are over-utilized, over-armed, and over-unionized. Of course we need a police presence, but not every situation requires a hot head with a badge and a gun.

Erin Maus
Member #7,537
July 2006
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I got a job offer that would be a 35% raise. :o

I feel bad for my team (basically a product we were working on faced a lot of turnover--I'll be the last of the 'OG' team to leave now). So it's gonna be bumpy for them... :-/

But 35% raise. I'll be working for a really nice bank head-quartered in Charlotte, NC.

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Congratulations! That's great news!

I quit my job and am returning to my old one (after two weeks and a week vacation). :-/

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