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raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

People are so biased they'll claim Trump is an agent of Russia/USSR, but Bernie (who has been a super fan of Socialism his entire adult life) couldn't possibly be. I don't believe either of them are, but truth is stranger than fiction.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Facts are not biased.

Trump welcomed interference from Russia to get his Presidency. Republicans routinely block election security bills. Trump extorted Ukraine. Give up, take your ball, and go home MAGA boy.

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Liberals are the most tolerant. 8-)

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NiteHackr
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April 2002

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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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You know you're lame when all you can do is throw the word liberal around. :/

from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License.

adjective Pertaining to those arts and sciences the study of which is considered "worthy of a free man" (as opposed to servile, mechanical); worthy, befitting a gentleman.
adjective Generous, willing to give unsparingly;.
adjective Ample, abundant; generous in quantity.
adjective obsolete Unrestrained, licentious.
adjective Widely open to new ideas, willing to depart from established opinions or conventions; permissive.
adjective politics Open to political or social changes and reforms associated with either classical or modern liberalism.
noun One with liberal views, supporting individual liberty (see Wikipedia's article on Liberalism).
noun Someone left-wing; one with a left-wing ideology.
noun A supporter of any of several liberal parties.
noun US One who favors individual voting rights, human and civil rights, individual gun rights, and laissez-faire markets (also called "classical liberal"; compare libertarian).

Stuff it Neil.

By the way, this forum is really going to the dogs. ;p

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

Liberals are generally reasonable people, leftists are proponents of radical-left ideology. Edgar is the latter, and if he wasn't so partisan he would have a better grasp of the facts.

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Excuse me raynebc, but kindly point out which facts I'm confused about. Because you have no ground to talk. You're standing on quicksand.

By the way, your typical Republican gas-lighting doesn't work on me. :/

NiteHackr
Member #2,229
April 2002

8-)
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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Yes I am intolerant of idiocy and evil. Proud of it, too.

but I suppose you'd rather have me listen to alternative facts.

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;D

NiteHackr
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April 2002

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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That's funny Neil because the difference between me and Hitler is that he didn't believe Jews were people. Hitler founded socialism for the rich and powerful not for the poor of the working class. you have no f****** clue what democratic socialism is and you have no business talking about it like you do.

NiteHackr
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April 2002

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:D

Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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You do realize "right" and "left" come from French Revolution based on where certain people sat next to the king, correct? The revolutionaries sat to the left of the king while his supporters sat to the right...

The idea of "left" being bad predates the Bible. Sinistrous means "left", for example, and "sinister" comes from that. It's prehistoric superstition.

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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Neil. All I can do is shake my head and facepalm for you.

The political idea of left and right didn't come about until renaissance times, and came from France. By the aristocracy, who condemned the 'left', just as you are, because they were against the status quo, and against a corrupt ruling class.

It's called blaming the victim. Heard of it?

By the way, 3 cases of the coronavirus were just reported in my local county where I live. I hope I survive 12-18 months until I can get the vaccination.

Because it's not a matter of if you'll get the coronavirus, it's when, and whether or not you'll survive it.

Something else for Trump to f**k up. Too few tests, too few precautions, too little actual action all lead to pandemic outbreaks.

Tell me Neil, in your wisdom, if there was a vaccine which was safe and prevented you from getting an illness that could kill or cripple you, would you take it? If not, would you be prepared to take on the responsibility of paying for your hospitalization? Because insurance shouldn't pay for care for anti-vaxxers who get sick because they're stupid. That's exactly why measles outbreaks occurred in the recent past, because people didn't get vaccinated. But whatever dude, you know best.

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

Do you think Trump is individually responsible for the world's manufacture of the tests, let alone the vaccine? How blatantly dumb can you be? The countries of the world don't have the capacity to immediately provide enough tests for everybody.

Your argument about not covering people opposed to vaccines isn't even as valid as calling for health insurance to not cover healthcare for people who get AIDS through risky behavior such as recreational drugs or sex, or people who are obese because they overeat, or for people who smoke/vape, etc. This is because deliberately engaging in risky behavior reflects more responsibility in outcome than not doing something optional like taking an annual vaccine. I fully support getting long term vaccines for dangerous diseases like measles, compared to something like the flu with around a 0.1% mortality rate.

China is to blame for the world being unprepared for this virus, not Trump. China covered up its existence by jailing people who tried to get the truth out.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Whenever you feel like pulling your head out of the sand, I'd be glad to discuss this with you.

Trump worked on dismantling Obama era CDC testing sites and funding. He has repeatedly downplayed the virus. The stocks are not tumbling because of the coronavirus, but because we have an incompetent boob (no offense to boobs) in the highest office of the land. Pence doesn't know jack shit about handling infectious diseases. Trump ignores his scientists and makes up facts and figures talking about how much he knows about this (just like how much he knows about everything else). He promised a million tests a week ago. There are barely any tests out yet because he cut funding to the CDC centers that would right now literally be manufacturing them.

raynebc
Member #11,908
May 2010

If you were more inclined to set aside your petty politics and embrace truth, I'd be more inclined to discuss things with you. You burned any trust I have that you are an honest person long ago.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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My dear raynebc. I have never been anything but honest with you. You can take that to the bank.

That's just it. You want to set aside politics and discuss truth? The truth is Trump is a pathological liar, a complete detriment to our economy, our nation, and our peoples, and basically about the worst kind of person you can be.

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jmasterx
Member #11,410
October 2009

That's just it. You want to set aside politics and discuss truth? The truth is Trump is a pathological liar, a complete detriment to our economy, our nation, and our peoples, and basically about the worst kind of person you can be.

Well of course, but people voted for this... Didn't anyone watch the apprentice? People voted in a pathological liar, there are plenty of these in the world, what did people expect?

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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jmasterx
Member #11,410
October 2009

Yeah, I think the whole Electoral College thing is weird.... should be raw vote count if you ask me....

My point is you still live in a country where that many people intentionally voted for a well known pathological liar :P

When a country is that split on its beliefs and values, maybe it should be divided into 2 separate entities...

NiteHackr
Member #2,229
April 2002

jmasterx said:

Yeah, I think the whole Electoral College thing is weird.

You need to do your research and understand why it is necessary. The whole point of it is to have EQUAL REPRESENTATION ACROSS THE NATION. You can only get that with an Electoral College. If it was based purely on the percentage of the population, than you would have single states that would always pick the president due to their high population and the rest of the nation would have no say at all.

The Electoral College has worked in favor of the liberals as well. Here in Canada the majority of the population voted for Andrew Scheer, the Conservative leader, but Trudeau won because he won more seats. And though I don't like Trudeau I accept the outcome because I understand the importance of equal representation.

Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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I'm voting for either Bernie, or if the DNC screws him, Trump again.

I also voted for Obama, which I regret because he was actually a plant designed to lie to Americans about "Change" while simply empowering and protecting banks, wall street, and health insurance companies while continuing to blow up brown people to sell bombs. [Of course both candidates (McCain) were complete plants designed to protect the establishment. Obama had change. McCain had 'no change' and he had his bimbo VP Sarah Palin to appeal to conservative virgins.]

Also, why are all official Democrats such idiots? Why can't we fix our healthcare, fix the environment AND not turn legal, law-abiding gun owners into criminals, as if a gun prohibition will somehow work? (the last drug one worked out great!)

Meanwhile, the Republicians will protect your free speech rights and gun rights, but they'll rape the earth until there's nothing left, while laughing as homeless people, immigrants, and EVERYONE ELSE dies from unaffordable healthcare.

And both parties are complete idiots when it comes to education.

Both parties are completely ignorant of nuclear power--the only actual clean, green energy. Democrats have NO PROBLEM with the use building, and driving around NUCLEAR BOMBS, but somehow, nuclear power plants? We can't be trusted!!! Bombs? okay. Life and environment saving power? NO THANK YOU.

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NiteHackr
Member #2,229
April 2002

Both parties are completely ignorant of nuclear power--the only actual clean, green energy.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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