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Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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raynebc said:

Gender and sex being different is a relatively modern concept in gender theory. Even if I were to agree to that, of which I am skeptical, it doesn't change the meaning of objective words like man and woman. "Male" and "female" could arguably be subjective terms, but "man" and "woman" are based on biology. Many gender stereotypes are surely socially taught, such as pink being feminine whereas in the past it was as (manly) as other colors. Other stereotypes, such as men generally preferring to work more with things and women generally preferring to work more with people are based on biological tendencies. Those tendencies are largely/mostly the reason for the disparity in the career choices men and women make and thus the disparity in pay (ie. the "gender pay gap").

I'm not arguing against any of that... we actually mostly agree here. I just think it's the polite thing to just refer to someone by female pronouns if they want (or vice versa male), and adjust language as necessary, to be more inclusive. Mistakes happen but if you try it's really not an issue from personal experience...

The bit about women/men career choices I'm unsure about, but it seems like a reasonable explanation; the wage gap for me is more about socialist viewpoints rather than gender ones.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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...the wage gap for me is more about socialist viewpoints rather than gender ones.

Please elaborate. This makes no sense to me.

raynebc
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Maybe something about power struggles between men and women, and the latter being wronged is why they don't have an equal amount of the money. I don't believe that is the case in the modern Western world. Freedom to choose your job (instead of the government enforcing strict quotas for every profession) means there will not be equal outcomes, and this has been seen to be the case in countries where women have equal right to opportunity. Dr. Jordan Peterson talks about this quite a bit.

Aaron Bolyard
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Basically jobs under capitalism are compensated by profit motive, among other factors, not how important they are. If there was a major, national teacher shortage, for example, it would cause negative impacts on children that would permanently cause disadvantages throughout their lives. The same cannot be said for Apple engineers; the latest iPhone being delayed wouldn't have much of an impact on anyone but Apple's bottom line.

So while one job has a greater impact (teacher vs Apple developer), one creates more profit for investors and is compensated more.

...I think teacher may be a bad example, because y'know it's usually a government job and you can't quite "own the means of production" of a government school in comparable manner to owning the means of production of Apple, but I just woke up and can't think of something better. ???

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sexual+development+of+fetus+timeline

3rd result : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans

Sex development starts after fertilisation and continues into young adulthood. The main determinants of sex developement are: chromosomal sex, gonadal sex and phenotypic sex. Chromosomal sex is determined at the time of conception- that is when the baby is conceived, a chromosome from the sperm cell, either X or Y, fuses with the X chromosome in the egg cell. Gonadal sex refers to the assignment of gonads, that is the testis or ovaries, depending on which genes are expressed. Phenotypic sex refers to the structures of the external and internal genitalia.[3]

Wow. That was hard. You know, research. ;)

So now, with two sexes, and three physical sex types, we have 23 actual sexes. ;) That's 8. But we're all strictly M/F, right?

And for the last time, assert(sex != gender);.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sex+versus+gender+role

1st Result : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates a person's biological sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from that person's gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In this model, the idea of a "biological gender" is an oxymoron: the biological aspects are not gender-related, and the gender-related aspects are not biological. In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender.[1] In other cases, an individual may have biological sex characteristics that complicate sex assignment, and the person may be intersex.

Cmon people, this is basic knowledge here. If you can't even accept basic accepted facts, then we're never gonna get anywhere.

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Where does one draw the line between being mentally different versus being mentally ill? I think we can all agree that schizophrenia is a mental illness, for example, but would you say that schizophrenia is just a "mental state of mind that simply differs from the norm"? Also: how does one define mental illness versus mental disorder. Wouldn't a disorder be anything that goes against the norm? In this case, wouldn't being transgender be a mental disorder/illness? I'm just curious how you separate the two.

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There's already a definition for mental illness: when a mental difference causes distress or disability.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, the solution is hormones and/or gender reassignment surgery. AFAIK you can be transgender without suffering dysphoria (i.e., you're happy fitting in the role you want without changing your physical appearance) it's just rare or less common, hence it's not a mental illness.

A person with hallucinations and delusions is not necessarily schizophrenic if it doesn't impair them or cause distress. For example, in non-Western cultures, people with positive, helpful, positive, or non-significant hallucinations and delusions are much more common than those with negative, distressing ones, and thus while they may have schizophrenia, it's not really a mental illness. However, in my case, my delusions and hallucinations cause me distress and impair my ability to function, hence why it's a mental illness.

Arvidsson
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May 2004
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I like how this discussion turned out :)

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I made a thing:

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Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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@Chris Katko: That's pretty cool! I didn't watch the whole thing (just the first 10 minutes) but looks like you were having fun. I know some of what you were doing, but only because my brother uses a similar program (Reason) and shows me stuff sometime, haha.

Me on the other hand, I spent the last two hours trying to figure out why the player retaliates when attacked despite there being no code to do so. The answer was I accidentally added that functionality to the base Peep template instead of the base NPC template... This means technically if a rock were attacked it would've also retaliated. ;D

Chris Katko
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@Chris Katko: That's pretty cool! I didn't watch the whole thing (just the first 10 minutes)

Oh yeah, feel free to skip forward and see what it sounds like when I play it... with a Sega Genesis sound chip. =D

And thanks!

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. This means technically if a rock were attacked it would've also retaliated.

That's. freakin'. hilarious.

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NiteHackr
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April 2002
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“As an embryo develops, it acquires both Wolffian and Mullerian ducts. Wolffian ducts develop into male sex organs, and Mullerian ducts develop into female sex organs. Which sex organs develop depends on the presence of a Y chromosome and the male hormone testosterone and anti-Mullerian hormone (AMH). At eight weeks, the internal genitalia will begin to form. If the embryo has both an X and a Y chromosome and produces the two hormones, then the testosterone will stimulate the Wolffian duct to develop male sex organs, including the vas deferens and the seminal vesicles. If there's no Y chromosome, but two X chromosomes instead, then the embryo is female. The Wolffian duct will degrade, and the Mullerian duct will develop into female sex organs such as the uterus, fallopian tubes and part of the vagina. Rarely, the embryo will have an X and a Y chromosome, but will fail to produce testosterone or AMH; such an embryo is termed intersex, as it has both male and female sex organs.”

https://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/conception/human-reproduction1.htm

Note that in order to develop both organs, you need to have the male chromosomes, so you are male. Just with a birth defect.

As others stated, a simple search does wonders for your education. I noticed that certain people can't reply without swearing, name calling and attacking my beliefs which I haven't brought into this. But I would rather bang my head against a wall repeatedly than talk religion in here. There is already enough hatred and name calling.

Edgar Reynaldo
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So now, you're either a female, a male, or a male with birth defects? That's basically what you're saying. What is it about respecting a gender role and identity that is wrong?

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The external genitals continue to develop after the internal ones have formed. Testosterone produces a penis and a scrotum for the male embryo, while the lack of testosterone will lead to a clitoris, urethra, the rest of the vagina and the labia for the female. These organs will continue to develop during pregnancy, and then they will undergo another period of development at puberty. On the next page, we'll take a closer look at the functions these organs perform.

So you can still be mixed, but you're really just a male? Right. :/

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NiteHackr said:

I noticed that certain people can't reply without swearing, name calling and attacking my beliefs which I haven't brought into this.

Hello NiteHackr, welcome to allegro.cc! Have you met bamccaig yet?
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@Katko,

That was pretty awesome. That was OBS studio you say? With a little Audacity thrown in? And were you just modding a sample or the whole song? I couldn't quite follow what the final song was composed of, but it was super cool. ;)

Cookies go to Katko for making this thread worthwhile. ;)

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Extra cookies go to anyone who can recommend good electronic music. Not necessarily techno, but ambient electronica is always cool.

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Extra cookies go to anyone who can recommend good electronic music.

I love Bignic.

https://bignic.bandcamp.com/

Check out this song:

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A lot of his songs sound like music either I make, or would like to make if I had the skill / time to put into it. (The game this song is from, actually sucks. hah. But the OST is incredible.)

- OBS Studio is the recording software. It's FOSS.

- Audacity is a wave editor, FOSS.

- FL Studio is the music software. I've been using it on-and-off since it was originally "Fruity Loops". It's full-grown into a professional editor now. (It also includes lifetime updates for free--but not new VSTs unfortunately.)

They change the UI for FL-studio every version or so, and I'm like 8-12 versions behind. Plus it's been 4+ years since I wrote any music. So I had to remember what the hell I was supposed to be doing, and then where it was on the newest version of FL Studio.

If I did another, it'd be MUCH faster now that I remember more. For example, at like 20-25 minutes in, I start hitting my stride as things sink in and I can just go back to muscle memory.

Again, thanks guys, I really appreciate it!

Also, while I'm at it, this is a GREAT YT channel that humorously discusses internet-related cultural events. Especially 4chan related stuff when they troll Shia Labouf..

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Edgar Reynaldo
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Chris Katko
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Wait, what is?

FL Studio? Maybe more expensive than the home editions of Windows. But you have to think of it in terms of a musical instrument. If I had money lying around, I'd actually spend around $400-500 for the Native Instruments Komplete pack which has like 300+ instruments and effects, and professional grade patches.

FL Studio is good but they insanely over-charge for their instruments. Like $200 for a synth. If I'm paying that kind of money, it better be a Roland, Korg, or some other big brand where the patches are going to sound like a dream without me having to fool around with it.

When I was younger I bought FL Studio for ~$125 or so boxed set (not available anymore) and then like 6 years later, I spent ~$65 to get lifetime upgrades for my serial key to the "internet" / "XXL producer" version. It doesn't give me new VSTs but otherwise, every new feature that comes out, I can use.

But yeah, if I were to get FL Studio, wait for a sale. Just like Native Intruments, they have a sale once a year or so where it's like $200 less for the $600 bundle down to like $400. And FL Studio also goes down, IIRC. But I don't watch the price anymore since I've owned it for so long....

Anyhow. It used to be a very humble package and now it's used everywhere and seen as a professional tool.

But just like any musical instrument, it takes weeks or months to really get experienced with it to the point you can "zen out" and just create music from your head without thinking.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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Better be some dang fine software for several hundred dollars for all the 'feature's. I don't know, I got along pretty well just with Nero Wave Editor back from Nero 6 on XP for the longest time. Let me cut tracks, transform, modify, etc...

Let's see, the latest edition of the Nero software is :

Well the Multimedia suite is from $40 to $50, but they don't offer much in the way of audio editing anymore. That was disappointing. Yet another reason to keep XP around.

Chris Katko
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Better be some dang fine software for several hundred dollars for all the 'feature's

It's incredibly cheap for what it offers. Similar software costs THOUSANDS and doesn't come with free updates.

It would take weeks to learn all the features in FL Studio and have some proficiency.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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Since I don't make music professionally, at this point it would be considered a toy, and I can't spend hundreds of dollars on a toy. :/ As much as I might like to. ;)

Chris Katko
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Yeah, I know. That's my point though. For people who do music, it's a drop in the ocean compared to other music assets you'd need. You can spend thousands across many "sounds" DVDs if you're trying to round out your musical abilities. Orchestras, drums, piano, synths, extra effects, etc.

FYI, you can use the full version of FL Studio for free. You just can't reload your saved projects until you buy it. (So you could probably use it for wave editing just fine.) You can also dump to WAVE/MP3. So if you can work in a single session, you don't need to pay! :) (I used to try doing that just as a personal competition--to see what I could come up with instead of my usual perfectionism that takes forever and never finishes stuff!)

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Edgar Reynaldo
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FYI, you can use the full version of FL Studio for free. You just can't reload your saved projects until you buy it. (So you could probably use it for wave editing just fine.) You can also dump to WAVE/MP3. So if you can work in a single session, you don't need to pay!

Well if that's the case I might as well try it and see what it can do. Might be nice for generating sound effects, but not so much at writing music if you can't reload your project and resume work later.

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Hey you guys, don't make me start taking attendance in this thread. :P

Post something! Be zany! Be crazy! Just post more!!!!!!111111ONEONEONElll!

Chris Katko
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video

I posted a thing.

Also, someone made a co-op mod for Half-Life 2 which is pretty fun so far. Although, HL2 sucks compared to HL1. It's all being chased and standing around waiting for NPCs to stop talking.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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Chris Katko : Present and making live video

NiteHackr : Mysteriously silent since I reduced his argument to 3 sexes.

Eric Johnson : Last heard his car was working.

bamccaig : Last seen troll baiting NiteHackr

Aaron Bolyard : Got attacked by his Rock class and hasn't been heard from since.

arviddson : last seen posting mysterious satisfaction at the results
            of our previous 'discussion'

Fearless leader : Probably calculating the bandwidth savings from locking this
                  thread in a vain attempt to prevent us crashing his server
                  until he caves to our demands.

Arthur Kalliokoski : AWOL, missing, presumed drinking Pepsi in a corner with an
                     8086 running AmigaOS

torhu : Still lurking I see ;)

What if the Progranisms got loose and started coming after us? Maybe that's why there are so few of us left. Maybe we need to make some cough spambot cough recruiter Progranisms? That search the web for forms and submits links to allegro.cc? We can make an uber allegro bot net and insert redirects into webpages that send them here.

@Katko
Watching someone play a game is only as fun as how well you take the verbal directions I'm trying to give you during the game. It's like, do this, do this!! No, no, not that! Over there! Break the barrel with the rock! Etc...

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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It would be super cool to take the Progranisms idea and make it run on really simple VM. The instruction set would have to somehow be more resistant to encoding errors. Leave it running for a hundred years on a supercomputer and maybe we'll finally have general AI. :o

...

I added drops to my game. You can kill things called Skelementals* and they drop some random crap + bones. Peeps/MapObjects have "Loot" actions which output a drop table. The drop table is then materialized to produce an item. Using my ECS system, any peep with a LootDroppableComponent and either a ResourceComponent or MapObjectComponent will drop items on death. Cool. But so over-engineered. :'(

*: I came up with that name in a dream. I'm surprised it wasn't taken (as a monster name)... It flows so nicely.

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