Is that we allow certain people (ahem) to dominate these forums with their idiocy. I'm deleting my link to the forums from my speed dial again. Good luck with all your bugs.

http://xkcd.com/1357/

What is that ? Trent ? Care to elaborate a little for the uninitiated ?

Don't you think you're over-reacting a little Trent?

I think it would be kind of sad to abandon the Allegro library due to conflicts with members on the forums. We've all known for a long time that certain people here are rather opinionated and overly zealous for their causes but is that worth leaving over?

And besides, who am I going to get to apply my patches? Nobody has even replied to my thread - https://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/614953. Or should I just take my concerns to the mailing list? Somebody introduced a conflicting dllmain declaration in A4.4.x and I don't know which one is right. I'm assuming the one in the windows header is right but then what was the other one for? Do they vary over Windows versions? And that bug means that A4.4 in git doesn't compile for mingw or likely msvc anymore. Who applies patches to A4.4? I know it's not actively maintained, but somebody has to have access. It's all in the same repo right, so all that's needed is to checkout a different branch?

Anyway, I think you should stick around.

It could be some religion ranting that bothered Trent. I'm not religions and it bothered me.

At some point you have to consider if its worth it to keep toxic people around, even if they are sometimes helpful. Often their toxicity is far more unhelpful in the greater scheme of things.

The off topic forum does have some theads that can be offensive, yes. Allegro attacts some opinionatd people and that may be problematic in some cases. The on-topic forums are useful ways of comunication though. I personaly feel a forum is more easy to use and more accessible than a mailing list.

All in al I see no reason to run away from the forums. I just try to avoid the off-topic forum, mostly, with the exception of Allegro-related topics. That might be the best approach for anyone who is here for Allegro itself, and not just to hang around and chew the fat.

I remember the Off Topics being so much worse in the past.

I recall ML locking several threads due to the extreme level of shenanigans. I remember pages and pages of dick fights over petty crap. I also remember when every thread got derailed.

Definitely not a n00b-friendly community facade, but we also used to have a lot of people in and out of here.

I miss the "Let's make a game" topics...

The "Let's make a GUI API better than QT" threads are always nice too

I remember 200 pagers between 23yrold3yrold and X-G on religion!

I remember one thread when I was young where me and someone else literally said "No" and "Yes" back and forth for three pages. Not even arguing, just spamming, in retrospect.

I use to love those "Is it monday already?!" threads.

I remember arguing with both of them about it. Stupid agnosticism..

I used to just get too worked up over dumb shit. Still do, but not to the same degree.

Ya, not like most of us can actually do anything about it. Other than ignore (or berate) the ass-hats.

Kinda wish the forum had a "downvote to hide" button, that after X downvotes a post is replaced with a "post has been hidden, click to show" message, and users with too many hidden posts get a temp ban from OT.

append: I don't really put up with much bullshit on #allegro anymore, you're always welcome there I'm not afraid of mystical "free speech", if someone is being intolerant, I will take care of it.

append2: I really do think its time we clamped down on incredibly intolerant behaviour.

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I agree that there's some people here with very questionable and out of line views - but I think it's very wrong trying to exclude them just because of that. It's an offtopic forum after all and not some place where it matters. In fact I wouldn't want to be in a forum where only the politically correct things can be said and everyone else is banned.