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Laptop behaving oddly
Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Lately programs that start on start up haven't been starting, like the webcam driver, even though the webcam itself stopped working a while ago, but other programs too, like peoplepc and Windows Defender. I can't start Windows Defender when I try it says the service is stopped and when I start the service it starts and then stops right away. Not to mention the other day I had a Blue Screen stop error out of the blue. What's going on with my lappie? Virus? Hardware faults? Bit rot? Cookies if you can help. Sometimes restarting the computer helps but it hasn't been lately.

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Have you done an OS reinstall?

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I can't start Windows Defender when I try it says the service is stopped and when I start the service it starts and then stops right away.

That shouts malware to me.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Just wondered if this behaviour is typical of something in particular.

You're running XP aren't you? My experience with XP was that it needed to be reinstalled regularly.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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It's Vista, and I still haven't had to reinstall XP ever, either. Although the hard drive on my XP machine is almost completely full..

Malware huh? Maybe. What good free AV programs out there have the best definitions? I think I was offered Sophos antivirus free for being a student. Has anyone used it before?

What do you guys use?

And I've had this issue with the startup services for a while. Once in while this won't start, once in a while that, but never consistent. I'll have to look at the registry and see what startup items there are. But there's nothing in my start up folder so it's not a matter of a deleted link.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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What do you guys use?

I used to use AVG, but it's been awhile.

And IIRC, a lot of startup stuff was handled by msconfig (exe?).

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

torhu
Member #2,727
September 2002
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msconfig or this for checking startup stuff:
Autoruns

I don't know how good these tools are, but they are free and probably won't beg you for money:
Microsoft Safety Scanner
Windows Defender Offline

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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turns out most AV programs suck a lot more than they used to. MS pretty much neglected MSE to the point it went from #1 to #10 or something. And the rest of the programs haven't been able to keep up with the more complex behaviours of malware these days. I think the detection rate of all of them is under 80%. It's still better to have one, but none are GREAT. Some are better than others, but not by a lot (except mcafee/norton those suck donkey balls in every category you care to look at).

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Well this time after reboot all the startup items started successfully, except for Windows Defender. Oh, just found out that Microsoft Security Essentials turns that off by default and there's nothing wrong. MSE's icon is up in the tray though, so it's fine. And the definitions are fine. They're up to date.

But that doesn't explain the inconsistent startup. Why do certain programs start only some of the time? And what about the stop error?

torhu
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September 2002
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Sounds like you're not the victim of a conspiracy after all, so maybe you just need to troubleshoot each problem individually?

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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I've only seen blue screens for two reasons, bad drivers (video in my case) and malware (which probably messed up a network driver I guess). Is there a rollback point you can go to?

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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It may be the camera driver is bad or the graphics driver but I haven't updated and can't because there aren't any more up to date drivers than what I have and I haven't messed with them in a long while. It's like bit rot or gremlins or something.

Other problems include Wireless Networking not working with a USB Ubuntu installation. And wireless breaking itself until a restart sometimes. I think that's just bad software design though.

torhu
Member #2,727
September 2002
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Better burn the whole thing, it could be infected with demons :o

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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torhu said:

Better burn the whole thing, it could be infected with demons

Give it to me!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Bruce Perry
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April 2000

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Laptop behaving oddly

Sounds like a TV series :)

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The brxybrytl has you.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Also, the power cord stops giving power sometimes depending on the way the plug is currently fitting the adapter. So then it runs on battery til it dies which is only like 1hr30 two hours max. I have an alternate power cord but don't use it because it is shorter. :P

Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Laptop power jacks are fun when abused.

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Dennis
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July 2003
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Open Event Viewer (WinKey+R -> "eventvwr" or Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer), go through the logs and look for warnings and errors. The Details tab on individual Warning and Error items may reveal further information on what's actually wrong which will allow googling for solutions.

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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The system event log has nearly 40,000 entries and its hard to search through them all. I looked and the only thing I seemed to find was that Windows had shutdown unexpectedly. That could have been a power out or the stop error or I don't know.

Dennis
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July 2003
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The system event log has nearly 40,000 entries and its hard to search through them all.

Try "Action->Create Custom View" while the root element of the tree on the left is selected. The dialog is self-explaining.

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Well, I checked through the event log using the custom view like you suggested, and all I could find that was suspect were 3 unexpected shutdowns. All it says is that the system shutdown was unexpected.

All services have been starting up as expected lately, so I don't know what was wrong.

The gremlins seem to have gotten bored and uninhabited my lappie. Cookies to all for exorcising the demons out of my computer! :D

Edit

I spoke too soon. Just got another stop error. This time windows says it may be related to wireless networking. I've had other problems with wireless before, namely connections breaking spontaneously, super slow down in wireless networking dialogs, and ubuntu wireless not working.

I checked my wireless driver, and it says I have a Marvell Top Dog wireless driver version 1.0.2.53 from 2009. The latest driver available from Gateway is 1.0.2.0 from 2007, so I would be reverting a couple years if I updated it.

Suggestions?

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Try seeing if marvell has a newer driver. Or at the very least, disable the device, remove it from device manager, and let windows reinstall the driver? Kinda a hack, but sometimes it helps if the hw is acting up.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Nope. Marvell doesn't have anything. And I'm not sure where the 1.0.2.53 driver came from so I can't reinstall it if I change things. Might have come from Windows Update but I don't know. I have driver manager installed and it says my wireless networking driver is up to date.

Or at the very least, disable the device, remove it from device manager, and let windows reinstall the driver? Kinda a hack, but sometimes it helps if the hw is acting up.

I'm afraid the device would never show up again if I did that. Which is worse, occasional stop errors, or not having wireless at all?

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I personally wouldn't be so paranoid. Also windows keeps a copy of drivers in its driver cache. so if you just tell the device manager to uninstall the device, it wont remove the actual driver. Using the driver's uninstall feature might actually remove it from the cache, not sure.

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