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Driving - Short Bus Asshole
BAF
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December 2002
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In the UK, learning to use roundabouts properly is at least 50% of learning to drive

:o Is it really that hard to use your roundabouts? We have plenty of them around me. No mayhem, and no special training required.

LennyLen
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December 2004
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BAF said:

We have plenty of them around me. No mayhem, and no special training required.

Are they simple ones like this:

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Or more complicated ones like this:

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Back in Christchurch, we had a three-lane, six entry/exit point roundabout that confused quite a few people.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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More confusing roads are definitely safer because it forces people to slow down. It doesn't mean that people are better drivers... it just means the people designing the roads never learned how to draw a straight line.

The main problem with stop/start intersections is that women putting on their make-up and texting their bff run red lights at a high rate of speed. >:(

According to Wikipedia, fatalities per billion km driven:

  • United Kingdom: 5.7

  • Australia: 5.8

  • Canada: 8.2

  • United States: 8.5

  • New Zealand: 9.1

Everybody in the UK lives in London and walks or takes a bus around the roundabouts, so I'm not sure why their fatality rate is so high. :o

Here in the USA we drive drunk with loaded shotguns at high rates of speed through dangerous intersections in blinding snow storms, and we still are safer than the people down in New Zealand who mostly ride sheep to work. ???

And look at Canada. So cute trying to be just like the USA. Not quite there yet.

Edward Sheets
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June 2004
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No wonder the fatality rate is so high in NZ. That roundabout is the work of the devil. WTF

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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The roundabouts here are of the simple type as they're replacing old four way intersections. Haven't drove through one where there was alot of cars. (I did drive through one that should of have a lot of cars, but there wasn't... I'm guessing people are scared of those things)

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Steve Terry
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March 2002
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I believe I remember reading somewhere that Kansas has the most roundabouts than any other US city.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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That roundabout is the work of the devil. WTF

The one in the picture is actually in England.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I believe I remember reading somewhere that Kansas has the most roundabouts than any other US city.

Kansas is a state. :-/

Johan Halmén
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September 2001

LennyLen said:

Or more complicated ones like this:

That's a fractal roundabout!

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Bruce Perry
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April 2000

Learning to use roundabouts was easy for me. Someone told me "give way to the right" and the rest just fell into place. (That's for countries driving on the left. If you drive on the right, it's "give way to the left".)

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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I have driven on roundabouts here in the USA without experiencing this mayhem that you speak of.

Don't get modern roundabouts where you give way to traffic already on the roundabout with the old style ones that had the opposite rule which is mayhem.

I think safety is better here due to the level of enforced safety and where it's targetted. For example on pedestrian (zebra) crossings, pedestrians always have the right of way so cars/bikes have to stop, seat belts aren't secondary and usage is almost 100%, distractions such as mobile phones are illegal, etc.

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james_lohr
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February 2002

LennyLen said:

Or more complicated ones like this:

Funny you should ask. That is in fact the exact roundabout I learned to drive on. It's called the "Magic Roundabout", located in Swindon about 20 minutes drive from my parents' place.

I remember that b@stard like the back of my hand.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Well, if you look at the majority of your 'larger' roundabouts they are all now traffic light controlled. So you could argue that roundabouts are only of use for low-volume traffic and therefore intersections are just as good...

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Kansas is a state.

I assume he means Kansas City, Kansas.

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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so I'm not sure why their fatality rate is so high

According to the news they reckon 80% of all major road accidents are caused on country roads (think, single lane windy roads in the cough idyllic english countryside.) This is due to farmers doing stupid things in the road with their tractors and lunatic drivers who can't drive and go too fast round bends).

So the solution they are thinking of is reducing the speed limit from 60mph to 40mph.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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The solution is to stop selling fast cars. :-X

Think of the children.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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They do (think of the children), there's a big move here to changing residential roads from 30mph to 20mph (where instead of probably killing to maybe just crippling a child), but of course nobody actually goes this speed :P

I think the best way to improve drivers is to force them to re-test every 10 years and make them under go motorbike training ;D

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