thanks for clearing up your perspective,

yea its asking question one many times to see how consistent a person is with their response, i'm sure you already know that though.

Yea its just a test, kinda like you can take a test in a class on a fail the test but still have a strong concept of the class material.

I agree people respond differently to test and some test are better than others in actually testing for what they set out to set for(validity). How consistent a test is with itself, like if I take the test again will I score totally different (test reliability)

Yea with something so relative as personality it is hard to test it, but validity and reliability are what test makers look at in the scientific community and they do lots of research

but do you wonder why its used by so many professionals in the psychological and mental health fields? I think its likely because the test isn't just a load of crap.

Or because the field is full of quacks. Any "professionals in the psychological and mental health fields" using something as vastly discredited as Myers-Briggs for serious purposes should take up another vocation.

Yes those professionals,

are you in the mental health field? There are debates but assessments and such general profile test are used often. For example look at the dsm-iv. Obviously there are some that say people are more than just a diagnosis and I agree but it does give good insight into a persons nature.

Diagnosis and personality types are not the same but its the same concept about using general categories to describe people that share a collection of traits. Thats verry very common in the psychology/social work/ psychiatric fields. I speak as one who is in the field.

and no I dont use personality test in my professional work,
just thought it would be interesting to see what personality types we had on the site thats all

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Yea don't really want to take the personality test into the debate over their use in psychological areas because as I see by my post above thats not even something we use in my office to really assess a person. Then again everyone we work with has(is given)a mental health diagnosis (you know the insurance companies wont pay for treatment if you dont have a dsm-iv code). But anyways yea I dont want to head in that direction since as I said we dont use such test.

That test is not a clinical tool but lay people can use it to learn about their personalities hopefully

Arthur i agree with you fully.

I noticed that with some of the questions but knowing myself I answered how I knew myself to be regardless of its phrasing.

But I agree with you on that.

I know I am a human, and that my real name isn't GullRaDriel.

I don't care about those fscking tests.

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I'm incoherent or in despair, and nothing inbetween, and I didn't need a test to tell me that either.

Also, stop saying yea.

I'm that INTJ as well, and the quoted is close to me as well.. Although it got derailed on that part of that continues relationship, I had been "planning" to "end up" somewhere around my thirties, but she has made me temporary change my mind, then everything collapsed and I'm back to my old aims.

You shouldn't be worrying about that, you're a Supreme one after all..

Aha, and..
@superstar & then these people go around giving that test to others

It doesn't purely rely on Forer's effect, but it rather takes a model of the kind and then uses your answers to bend it towards specific characteristics.

Append:

Ouch, that money part is evil. I hate getting caught in to such tests

P.S:
About that big bunch of y/n questions without everyone being able to answer every question correctly, but still giving the correct direction due to number of the questions, is rather a good practice giving a lot of advantages vs few questions..

hmm, so why are they charging me for the last letter. I suspect it's the usual rip-off Britian surcharge we get on everything

btw, the test, like all tests, is of course bollocks. I'm no where near an Idealist and it takes more than a few questions to determine a personality trait. Even using a Scientology machine takes over 100 questions.

cried over another superstar4410 thread

Hey Van thanks for sharing, good to see it made
u cry.

My goal before 2011 is to get 2 gallons of liquids to pour from your eyes before year ends, grab your hanky.

Psychiatry, as a discipline, is relatively rigid in its scientific methodology, as compared to, say, psychology or sociology. That's not because sociologists and psychologists are idiots, it's because the human mind is hard to observe, especially on a statistically significant scale. When doing research about the human mind, you have two choices - a single-case study based on self-observation, or a larger study that measures what you hope to be more or less reliable indicators of the thing you're actually interested in. Another problem is that in those fields, a "lab situation" is a practical impossibility - you cannot have a human mind that's completely blank -, and so it is very hard to isolate factors and show causal relationships.

Psychiatry has similar problems, but because it deals with pathological deviations of the human mind, it is easier to define conditions and base research on those. Also, when researching the effects of medication, double-blind studies are possible, something sociologists can generally only dream of.

In practice, the problem is similar to that of the medical profession as a whole - one the one hand, there's researchers who deal with theoretical concepts, numbers, and statistical significance; on the other hand, there are the practitioners, basically acting as craftspeople with an enormous amount of domain knowledge. Regardless of all the theory they have learned and absorbed, much of what they do is based on personal professional experience rather than cold scientific fact.

Good point Tobias.
The extra L on is for emphasis BaM. Plus I prefer seeing the letters than the smiley face.

I'm not in the psychiatry field Bam though I work with psychiatrist.
I'm in the mental health therapy field, with a background in social work
(Bachelors & Masters specialization in mental health).
Our psychiatrist deals mostly with medications while the therapist do
the therapy. There are psychiatrist in private practice that do both, but nowadays most private mental health agencies separate the meds and therapy(USA).

First we start off with the question about a personality test.

Then we talked about how some feel the test is not valid and why

Then the connection was made by someone between these test and the
mental health field.

Like I stated, we don't use this at my office. So those seeing the test as a FAIL and thus seeing the mental health field as a FAIL should not make that logical leap.

I would be the first to admit Bam that my field is a soft science. Its still a science but very soft compare to math fields. That is not to say that it is useless or does not have its place.

I think some of you heard about the shooting in Tuscon Arizona in the USA. This is my boss here that I work for, they got her expert opinion on CNN from the
mental health perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/01/12/griffin.descent.into.madness.cnn?iref=allsearch (Dr kathy Siefret, My Boss) As in the video a professional would not label(I know labels are imperfect)the guy mentally ill by doing some personality test but by a through mental health assessment.

So with looking at someone's state of being and general functioning we use diagnosis not personality test. Yes, everyone does not have a mental health diagnosis and yes some people are falsely diagnosed.