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verthex
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September 2009
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Well Neil, thanks for righting me! ;D

Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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I don't think the ad said Linux can't get virus IIRC he said "all but" meaning there is no plague of viruses now, but there could be if anyone bothered making them.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Trezker said:

"all but"

In the same sense as 'no, I did not have sexual relations with that woman'

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gnolam
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verthex said:

If anyone ever installs linux, they'll probably end up not even using windows since software like Openoffice allows windows office formats to be saved anyway.

Which is all fine and dandy until you want to do more than just basic tasks. I still think MS Office 2007's UI is shite, but OpenOffice's is worse - if MS Office was even remotely decently priced I'd buy it in a heartbeat. And I shouldn't even have to mention the lack of apps like, for example, decent graphics editors.

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And the only thing that linux doesn't have in terms of gaming is XNA which is sorta like opengl anyways, so is there anything windows does have have linux doesnt?

What Linux doesn't have in terms of gaming is actual games. And no, WINE (which, BTW, is an emulator) doesn't count.

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kazzmir
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December 2001
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gnolam said:

And no, WINE (which, BTW, is an emulator) doesn't count.

Maybe I'm wrong about how WINE works but I thought it basically just implemented the directx API's. Implementing an API doesn't count as emulation in my book. Otherwise any library in existence that implements some API (like the STL even) could be considered to be emulating some other library that implements the same API.

Anyway, quake live runs on linux so hooray!

verthex
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How can a linux machine implement directx?

Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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kazzmir said:

Maybe I'm wrong about how WINE works but I thought it basically just implemented the directx API's. Implementing an API doesn't count as emulation in my book.

Not just DirectX, but all of Win32 (and some Win64, now). For a crude manner of explaining it, it basically loads the exe into memory manually, sets up the environment to look like Windows, then jumps to the main() function. The executable's machine code is executed directly, and Wine's DLLs are used when calls are made to "win32" functions.

It's emulation in the same way that ALSA emulates OSS (when not using the aoss script). It's more correct to call it an alternative implementation. It's not an emulator like DOSBox or a console emulator.

verthex said:

How can a linux machine implement directx?

By making the libs, exporting the necessary functions, and making them do what they're designed to. In Wine's case, it has Direct3D use OpenGL, DirectSound uses ALSA/OSS, etc. With a little fudging, I even have a libdsound.so that runs completely 100% natively in Linux (utilizing OpenAL), without touching Wine.

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BAF
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December 2002
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Trezker said:

It kinda sucks that it sounds exactly like ads for ordinary products.
Linux is not an ordinary product, it should use a different voice and a different way of speaking.

This captures Linux perfectly:

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verthex
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gnolam said:

And I shouldn't even have to mention the lack of apps like, for example, decent graphics editors.

I thought the GIMP was a great graphics editor.

BAF
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December 2002
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You're sadly mistaken if you think GIMP is even remotely close to great.

bamccaig
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Technically, the game server administrator can have lots of fun too. ;)

$ game-cmd -hlocalhost:27015 'slapall 99' 'say @Pwnage, n00bs!'

Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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BAF said:

You're sadly mistaken if you think GIMP is even remotely close to great.

GIMP is good once you learn your way around and get comfortable with it. It just has serious UI design issues.

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BAF
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December 2002
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Well, that is the Linux way, after all.

verthex
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and on MS windows you get "Paint" for free, but thats great! Windows with nothing on it has pinball for its best-of! Everything else costs over a 100 dollars, which you can just as easily get for any Linux or mac...
Photoshop will always cost money regardless of which system you choose. Unless you torrent it, of course...

I used GIMP for all my graphics on my webpage. except for the gifs I downloaded royalty free from other sites. And through out college, I used gnu software for all my assignments except for writing papers, I used word 2003.

Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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Well, that is the GTK way, after all.

FTFY

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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verthex said:

which you can just as easily get for any Linux or mac...

Then why are you browsing this site using Windows XP :-*

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verthex
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You caught me. Its because I'm not good at fixing issues related to Linux, I ran Debian for about 2 weeks and I could not get around in it. But other flavors might be easier to use. I'm current'y stuck rendering on multiple machines and Im not sure how moving over to linux might help me, the rendering engine uses direct3d so its why.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Just stick with Windows, it's not the price that costs the money you know, it's the TCO ;)

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deps
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September 2003
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I have had far less problems after I switched to Mac. I reboot maybe once a month, and it never feels slow or unresponsive.

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deps said:

I have had far less problems after I switched to Mac. I reboot maybe once a month

Just curious, but why reboot at all? Installing new hardware? Unplugging to clean under the desk? Changing dynamic IP?

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

LennyLen
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December 2004
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verthex said:

I like how Chrome has separate tabs which can be moved and closed without crashing the other tabs.

All the major browsers can do that. Even IE.

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while newer browsers like chrome are really better designed and run better.

Chrome seems really sluggish to me compared to Opera. To be honest, I don't see why anyone actually uses Chrome, as it doesn't seem to offer anything that other browsers don't already have.

Arvidsson
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May 2004
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It is catered to the google fanboys.

deps
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September 2003
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Just curious, but why reboot at all? Installing new hardware? Unplugging to clean under the desk? Changing dynamic IP?

System updates, mostly. I also turn it off if I travel with it.
Maybe once a month was a bit wrong. Once every two months might be closer to the truth...

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gnolam
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March 2002
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Well, at least that ad is better than Microsoft's...

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verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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MS does not need worry about crap acting, they can just jump off the roof and still sell Windows.

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