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Schyfis
Member #9,752
May 2008
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That works too.

Here's an image of it:
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Note how you can switch between hex, decimal, octal, and binary and you can always see the binary representation.

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Member #2,749
September 2002
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The XP powertoy calculator still seems much better than that one. Microsoft seems to have some good software up its sleeve, but for some reason they hide it. I'm thinking of all the powertoys and the sysinternals stuff: free high quality tools for Windows, owned by Microsoft. Why aren't they installed by default?

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kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007

It runs very well on just 512MB of RAM...

Windows XP runs very well with 128 MB of RAM. It's when you have to install an antivirus that things start to get ugly.

Anyway, I can't use Windows 7 on my machine. The most recent drivers for my graphics card are from 2005 and only up to Windows XP.

Windows 7 looks nice, though.

Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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I hate to say it :P, but that looks almost exactly like the calculator in OS X:

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Convergent design, I'm sure. Still, I hope the calculator isn't a decisive factor in anyone's choice to upgrade to Windows 7 or not.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Microsoft seems to have some good software up its sleeve, but for some reason they hide it. I'm thinking of all the powertoys and the sysinternals stuff: free high quality tools for Windows, owned by Microsoft. Why aren't they installed by default?

I'm sure some pointy haired boss is saying "If we include this good software, people will come to expect all our software should be equally good. Then where would we be?"

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Evert said:

Convergent design, I'm sure.

I think they're converging on the wrong thing, trying to mimic desk calculators. What I want is the ability to type decimal, hex or binary into the number box without having to reach around and switch things with my mouse.

Since it's about one hour's work, I guess I'll just write my own calculator as soon as I'm at a computer other than at work.

jhuuskon
Member #302
April 2000
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I think that's been possible since the windows 3.1 calculator at least. ::) You can even type in hex, and the application is hacked so that keyboard focus is always on the the number box, so you can conveniently use the mouse for those operations that have a tricky keyboard shortcut (or none at all).

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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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jhuuskon said:

I think that's been possible since the windows 3.1 calculator at least.

I think you're mistaken. When I last used the Windows calculator, you had to click 'hex' before entering a hex number — e.g. if Schyfis's picture were the GUI of the last version I used, then as presented above, it would not allow you to type a hex number without first changing a radio control.

Quite probably the last version I used was that with Windows 2000, but that's at best an aside.

jhuuskon
Member #302
April 2000
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F5-F8. You're welcome.

You don't deserve my sig.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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you had to click 'hex' before entering a hex number

So how would you do it? Prepend '0x' to the front? That's two keystrokes.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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jhuuskon said:

F5-F8. You're welcome.

You're trying to claim I'm ungrateful because you rolled your eyes and told me something that isn't true, then I dared to say so?

So how would you do it? Prepend '0x' to the front? That's two keystrokes.

I'm not bothered about keystrokes, but as a top-row number typer I am bothered if I have to move a hand to the mouse. I'd be grateful to jhuuskon for introducing me to F5-F8 had he not more than destroyed any general sense of goodwill. Since it's not necessarily implicit when a user has switched to/from any particular number base, I can't see how it could be less than the one keystroke that Microsoft's calculator currently accepts.

To be honest, I'll probably write my own calculator anyway, but more because the Apple one is extremely deficient in a bunch of areas (no inverse trigonometric functions, seemingly no keyboard shortcuts for switching hex/oct/dec, no binary input at all) and I'm not really interested in any of the things it does that would take particularly long to implement (reverse polish notation, unit conversions, speech), and the really complicated stuff like 2d/3d graphing is a separate program anyway.

Evert
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November 2000
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To be honest, I'll probably write my own calculator anyway, but more because the Apple one is extremely deficient in a bunch of areas

Can't say I use it for anything other than doing monetary/unit conversions (I have a calculator called "pemdas" on my dashboard), but...

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(no inverse trigonometric functions,

There's an up-arrow key in the top left corner on mine that gives you those.

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seemingly no keyboard shortcuts for switching hex/oct/dec,

To be honest, I never use it for hexadecimal calculations (just don't think to do it, I always write them out on paper or use a quick commandline calculation if I can't be bothered). There don't seem to be any keyboard shortcuts for functions though, which is a bit silly.
However, the aforementioned calculator I use on the dashboard can do all of those (well, sortof, it doesn't have keys for functions, but you can type in an expression and it evaluates it, which is what I normally do anyway). :)

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and the really complicated stuff like 2d/3d graphing is a separate program anyway.

I agree there.

Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Evert said:

There's an up-arrow key in the top left corner on mine that gives you those.

Oh, thanks!

I think I might just go back to keeping a real calculator on my desk. I like the Sharp DAL ones, even if they seem to suffer a bit from trying to do too much with too little screen real estate nowadays. The one I had all the way through school (probably a circa 1992 model) was perfection, and again quite different from the Casio-style desktop ones. If you want to know what sin 23 equals, you press 'sin' then 23, then equals for example.

jhuuskon
Member #302
April 2000
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You're trying to claim I'm ungrateful because you rolled your eyes and told me something that isn't true, then I dared to say so?

The whatnow? I'm not quite following your logic.

You don't deserve my sig.

Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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I think I might just go back to keeping a real calculator on my desk.

Oh yes, I do that too. The battery is long since gone (I got it when I went to high school), but the solar cell still works, so it's fine as long as the room is lit.

Martin Kalbfuß
Member #9,131
October 2007
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Not only the OSX calculator is looking similar. ;) This is the gnome calculator. But which one is the original. Maybe none of them.

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Schyfis
Member #9,752
May 2008
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  • Forgot to mention, the ctrl+pgup and ctrl+pgdn shortcuts are reversed for some reason in the new version of Paint. In previous versions, ctrl+pgup zooms out and ctrl+pgdn zooms in, but it's backwards now.


  • It seems that the virtual copy of XP is a separate download, but it's free at least.


  • W7 takes a long time to log off while shutting down (at least for me), and usually ends up rebooting during shutdown.


  • Sometimes at startup the monitor is not detected correctly. The image is distorted and discolored, but it's fixed once you log in.


  • LogMeIn sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It seems that you need to use the username your_computer_name\your_user_name instead of the usual your_user_name when connecting.

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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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I think I might just go back to keeping a real calculator on my desk

I have this one, cost about £9 at Asda and it's superb. Even lets you write your fractions as proper fractions :)

http://www.casio.co.uk/Products/Calculators/Scientific%20Calculators/FX-85ES-S-UH/At_a_Glance/

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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Schyfis said:

W7 takes a long time to log off while shutting down (at least for me), and usually ends up rebooting during shutdown.

That would be it installing updated on shutdown. I go into windows rarely so there's always SOMETHING for it to install.

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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I go into windows rarely so there's always SOMETHING for it to install.

Same here for Ubuntu... "There are 103 critical updates to install." :o

Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Same here for Ubuntu... "There are 103 critical updates to install." :o

Yeah, same here. But then ubuntu doesn't by default automatically download and install them regardless of your Update policies.

I have mine in windows set to only download, and ask to install. Even when I don't install any updates theres a few that seem to sneak through.

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Schyfis
Member #9,752
May 2008
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That would be it installing updated on shutdown.

When it's installing updates, it says "Installing update 2 of 5..." or something similar. It's actually trying to log off, as it says "Logging off...".

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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Same here for Ubuntu... "There are 103 critical updates to install."

There's almost never anything to download for the Mac. And you all thought Apple ignoring security holes was a bad thing!

Ron Novy
Member #6,982
March 2006
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There's almost never anything to download for the Mac. And you all thought Apple ignoring security holes was a bad thing!

Apple tends not to notify people of updates... It's a marketing thing. If it notified you that there was an update it would be admitting to you that it is flawed. That is something that Apple would never do.

This windows machine here has QuickTime installed and whenever there is an update available it also automatically selects to download and install iTunes and Safari which I'm sure would only complicate things for the other users of this machine. This computer is supposed to remain clean with minimal essential apps and QuickTime is just one of them. Unfortunately some day I'm sure they'll be asking me "What the hell is Safari and why is it on my computer? Who the fuck installed iTunes!?!?" I hate it when Apple does that shit to me >:( And then a few months later someone forgets that I explained it all to them and it happens all over again... Bass tirds...

Yes... Apple makes trojans now ;D

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But then again MS started it. ;D

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le_y_mistar
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January 2007
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i use windows, my company uses windows, my family uses windows, my girlfriend uses windows. windows just works well on the desktop and users can easily be trained to use windows. linux is for ubergeeks/neckbeards/virgins.

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