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What are your political ideologies?
decepto
Member #7,102
April 2006
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We have an eclectic group here on a.cc. I'm interested in hearing about everyone's political ideologies and perhaps the political party they belong to. It's probably best to state what country you're in as well, since party names vary from country to country.

Personally, I don't belong to any party, but I tend to vote for republicans. Not all of the time, but most of the time. My political ideologies are those found in minarchism and libertarianism. However, sometimes pressing social issues get me to vote democrat.

(From the US, obviously)

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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When I was a kid (in the 1960's) I was taught that Republicans stood for "you work for it, you keep it" and Democrats stood for "if you don't have it, the people who have should give it to you". My father wanted the Democrat way, I was deeply ashamed.

Nowadays it seems the Democrats are still the same way, but the Republicans are now for "If you aren't watched every minute, you'll sabotage the country" (facism?)

So I swear off all political parties.

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Mokkan
Member #4,355
February 2004
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I tend to follow the libertarian ideology. I'm from the US, and I find both major parties to be disappointing, though I favor the Republicans over the Democrats most of the time. I don't like big government...

Goalie Ca
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July 2002
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I find that none of the 5 major political parties in canada represent my idealogy but the political tests say i should vote bloc québecois but there are two problems with that 1) they dont exist outside of québec 2) they want to seperate. I'm fine with the idea of a strong and independant québec but i do not like the idea of a seperate québec.

I'm a strong believer in a social safety net. In many ways, this gives you more freedom to chose the job and life that is good for you and you don't have to worry about your survival if you fail.

I believe that capitalism is a nice tool for optimization (from a math point of view), things distribute and balance naturally. But.. people can be harmful and need to be kept in line. Just like any other optimizer, there need to be constraints on the system to keep it stable and converging to the desired solution. I have found that companies and governments are equally adept at managing and running things. One is no worse or better than the other in general.

I am a fan of taxes but not of wasteful spending. Taxes are a way for a society to cooperate and given a good manager the results benefit everyone. I think in general we need to cooperate more often and get more practical about government projects. So much money is spent poorly and inefficiently yet sometimes the smallest spenditures make the biggest difference. Investment in science and education is always a key for a society like ours. Companies will not invest in long term. Academic institutions are key innovators that provide knowledge for everyone else.

The biggest problem I have with todays political parties is that many politicians and the aging baby boomers do not understand the world we live in. They are stuck in the past with old ideas about economics, social values, globalization, environment, etc. Too many people are still debating gun control laws and abortion and all the rest. To me, these issues are interesting but irrelevant considering the wealth of more grave dangers we face. We are a society in debt, economically, environmentally, and socially and we must strive for sustainability in all areas. The technological revolution and massive globalization happened effectively overnight (historically speaking) and people have not learned to adapt.

What scares me is how many people in washington, the worlds most powerful country, believe jesus rode dinosaur horses. Leaders should be critical thinkers! That aside, what scares me even more is that they believe god gave them oil and resources and everything as if he blessed them with some divine will and wished it upon them that they become a great nation. People with these beliefs will do dangerous and stupid things when blinded by their arrogance and self-grandeur.

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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Politicians can be pretty entertaining liars.

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Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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US, Libertarian.

Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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decepto said:

but I tend to vote for republicans

Republicans are gettin' the hurt real bad.

Bob
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September 2000
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It says so right under my user name.

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Timorg
Member #2,028
March 2002

Socialist mainly, but in some ways I am an Anarchist. Anarchist law is way too hard to enforce, you can't have non-coercion and still put people in jail or punish them for crimes, no matter if the society deems acts illegal. (Can you tell I did politics subjects at uni.)

Edit: And yes I am aware that these can be seen as mutually exclusive.

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Bob
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September 2000
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Timorg said:

You can't have non-coercion and still put people in jail or punish them for crimes, no matter if the society deems acts illegal.

Maybe, maybe not. It depends if you believe that previous agreements are binding or if they can be ignored at a whim (ie: is your word worth anything). If the former, then punishment can still be dispensed. If the later, then you'll have a problem getting anything done.

Hoppe supposedly has a good book on the topic. I never read it.

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Ariesnl
Member #2,902
November 2002
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Green Left (Groen links)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GreenLeft

I don't think there is any party in the US that can be compared to greenleft.

@Arthur Kalliokoski:
Don't you think the strongest should bare the most weight ?
As a software engineer I'm financially strong, strong enough to help carry the burden of others. If the strong let go of it the weak will get crushed.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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I stayed out of politics my whole life until the 2008 elections, at which point I became an Obama zombie. Prior to that I had never voted, because I don't believe in voting. I think the whole voting system lacks the precision for my vote to count.

Nevertheless, I'm gonna have to so with socialist (I suppose). I'm not familiar enough with the different types, but I believe that all people should be created equal (despite whether or not they deserve to be treated equally). I also believe that all humans should be given the opportunity to achieve the things they hope to achieve in life, within reason. I also think that things like food, shelter, and health care should be provided by the government at a sufficient yet minimal level that allows (and encourages) people to achieve a higher standard of living on their own.

Bob Keane
Member #7,342
June 2006

Nowadays it seems the Democrats are still the same way, but the Republicans are now for "If you aren't watched every minute, you'll sabotage the country" (facism?)

No, I'm pretty sure the Republicans are and have always been "We got it and we will do anything we can to keep you from getting it.". As for voting, I voted for Reagan once and regret it so much that I refuse to vote to this day. I consider myself a conservative leaning moderate. I think we should help people but there is only so mch we should do for them.

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Ariesnl
Member #2,902
November 2002
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True, if you help too much people will come dependend,and won't be able to help themselves anymore.

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ixilom
Member #7,167
April 2006
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Sweden, I vote blank every year.
Doesn't matter what the parties promise in their campaigns, they all lie.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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ixilom said:

Doesn't matter what the parties promise in their campaigns, they all lie.

And even when they aren't lying, it doesn't mean that they can keep their promises.

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ixilom
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LennyLen said:

And even when they aren't lying, it doesn't mean that they can keep their promises.

True, but the way campaign leaders here usually state their standpoints is like;
"I promise that the economy bla bla bla"
Or
"We as <insert party here> promise that the economy bla bla bla"

It is a auto-fail statement to make imho and thus, making them liars from start.

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Sirocco
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April 2000
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You know that test, the one where you answer a few questions and your supposed political inclinations are neatly mapped to a grid? Dead fucking center, every time.

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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I usually end up voting for the bourgeoise parties, which in the case of finland vary from centre to centre-right. That is to say I choose my view on per-subject basis but I tend to lean to the right.

I'm looking for a nice country to move to. Anyone know of any nice, politically stable countries where the state economy hasn't been driven to the verge of implosion by social democrats?

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Johan Halmén
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jhuuskon said:

...where the state economy hasn't been driven to the verge of implosion...

Not USA then?

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...by social democrats?

Ok, USA it is.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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jhuuskon said:

Anyone know of any nice, politically stable countries where the state economy hasn't been driven to the verge of implosion by social democrats?

Texas. :P

axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

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Which means:

1) free market: yes, and without regulations.
2) social security: yes, absolutely.
3) government: as small as possible, but not smaller that #2 can't happen.
4) taxation: as small as possible, but not smaller that #2 can't happen.
5) taxes: proportional to profit; no exceptions.
6) bureaucracy: none whatsoever.

Ariesnl
Member #2,902
November 2002
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1) how about pollution regulations ?
if we mess up your money will be worthless in time

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Evert
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November 2000
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jhuuskon said:

Anyone know of any nice, politically stable countries where the state economy hasn't been driven to the verge of implosion by social democrats?

China.

I'm mainly a Labour man myself, though I voted for the Socialist Party at one point too (won't do it again though). For the most part I believe that whatever your ideals are (left wing or right wing, mine are obviously left wing), in practice you should steer a course close to the political centre to maintain an equilibrium between left wing and right wing forces, in order to have political stability. You don't want a left wing government implement its left wing agenda, only for the right wing government that comes after it to overturn all its predecessor's ideas and implement their agenda, only for it to be changed back again the next time a left wing government takes over.
So I like a government that's large enough to do what I expect the government to do (and for which I'll gladly pay them taxes to do it), a market that is free enough that it's not completely state-controlled and social security that is good enough that I don't need to stress out too much over losing my job.



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