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Twitter, an explaination, please?
Ben Delacob
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August 2005
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The funny thing about people who do nothing but reaffirm their beliefs online is that they frequently post things like "They will never change their opinions no matter how much evidence to the contrary". Ah, projectionists.

I know a lot of girls who use Facebook as a way to share pictures. It's not like they would be gathering around photo albums. Poor resolution but that's usually better than the alternative eye-takes-up-the-screen pictures you might receive by email.

I've never liked texting. I agree with Jay Leno that it seems like it's the technology that would have come before the telephone. ~"You don't have to type anymore! You can just speak into it now!" It's only because voicemail is set up so poorly that it's accepted.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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I don't bother with groups, and I normally only visit Facebook when I get an email about some important thing (I turned most off, just things like direct messages to me and such are sent via email). Other than that I visit once in a while, look at pictures of my niece and stuff.

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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For sharing pictures, down here we have Floggers, they are teens that share pictures via Fotolog. The country is infested with them

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Basically I look at Facebook as a collection of substandard social contact tools all in one place. It's good enough to get the job done, and it's easy enough to ingore all of the stupid parts (status messages, spam chain notes, the wall, etc).

Facebook is nice for its original purpose: keeping track of everybody at school. The people I meet there generally aren't my friends, I don't remember their names, nor do I want to exchange contact information. However, it is useful to use Facebook to keep track of them.

Probably 98% of my Facebook "friends" are those people I meet at school who aren't my friends, but I might just want to contact them about something or go to an event they are hosting. After I'm done with school, I doubt I'll keep my Facebook account.

Twitter? It's like taking Facebook and removing everything except the status message. Completely stupid.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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I mainly use it to keep in contact with family since they are spread all over the country.

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HardTranceFan
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June 2006
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ReyBrujo said:


they are teens that share pictures via Fotolog [www.fotolog.com].

Heh, some of those photos are quite neat, like:

{"name":"1236208524499_f.jpg","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/2\/3\/233e1c90fcaff0d1066011adc11593b7.jpg","w":500,"h":346,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/2\/3\/233e1c90fcaff0d1066011adc11593b7"}1236208524499_f.jpg

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OICW
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November 2003
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Although that's true, I do often find that when I'm with my friends it transpires that it is assumed I know something which I do not because it has been posted on Facebook.

This really saddens me. What is worse, that Facebook leaps into normal (read "real") life as well. Not so long ago I was on the prom ball from my high school. I've met with my friends from a classroom there, we've debated over this and that. But then a group of them gathered in one place and all they were talking about was Facebook and what they've done etc. I was like: "what the hell?"

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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OICW said:

But then a group of them gathered in one place and all they were talking about was Facebook and what they've done etc. I was like: "what the hell?"

Yea, that is kinda crappy. You know you've got the world by the balls when develop a product which includes/excludes people socially. :P

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wearetheborg
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June 2003

I have decided to use this thread to tweet about my life.

Straightening my hair today, and meeting up with my friends!!!!!!

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OICW
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Yea, that is kinda crappy. You know you've got the world by the balls when develop a product which includes/excludes people socially. :P

Agreed. Anyway my point is, how is that possible that ordinary people are suddenly talking about computer related stuff? I mean, it's kinda normal that me and my geeky friends talk about computers etc. when we are out. But when I'm speaking with non-geeks the topics are usually cars, politics, women, weather, our life etc.

Now suddenly bunch of non-geeks was talking about how they've tweaked their Facebook account, which photos have they added (anyone else notices the redundancy - they've posted it on the FB ergo those people saw it), etc. I think that there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

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23yrold3yrold
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Not sure how Facebook excludes people socially. It's certainly helped my family stay in touch and it's not like adding someone as a friend there is hard. Check it when you check your email. Not hard. :P

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OICW
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November 2003
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<nitpick>
You know what irritates me most on FB? Calling your contacts friends.
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Bruce Perry
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I've never liked texting. I agree with Jay Leno that it seems like it's the technology that would have come before the telephone. ~"You don't have to type anymore! You can just speak into it now!" It's only because voicemail is set up so poorly that it's accepted.

Texting definitely has its uses. It's useful if you're in a public place and don't want to disturb people, or if you're nervous about calling (for whatever reason - for many people this includes general shyness).

Of course from a technical standpoint they could easily have allowed much longer messages per unit of money, but most people won't understand how the data bandwidth compares and will compare the obvious metric: the number of words you can express per unit of money. The mobile phone industry is full of greedy ruthless evil people (my former boss worked in it and regularly testifies), so it's no surprise they took advantage.

OICW said:

Agreed. Anyway my point is, how is that possible that ordinary people are suddenly talking about computer related stuff? I mean, it's kinda normal that me and my geeky friends talk about computers etc. when we are out. But when I'm speaking with non-geeks the topics are usually cars, politics, women, weather, our life etc.

Now suddenly bunch of non-geeks was talking about how they've tweaked their Facebook account, which photos have they added (anyone else notices the redundancy - they've posted it on the FB ergo those people saw it), etc. I think that there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

Wait, you're complaining that people have stopped talking about:

  • cars (Why would you want to discuss them? They're ugly!)

  • politics (Why would you want to discuss it? It's full of liars and hideously complicated and boring!)

  • women (Yes, we [guys] all love them, but the subject gets old and it isn't exactly healthy if it's all you can think of)

  • weather (Well yeah, this one's fun to discuss)

  • our life (i.e. Facebook... hmm)

and are now talking about something computery, even if it is Facebook?

Not sure how Facebook excludes people socially.

I think the allegation is that if you aren't using Facebook like everyone else, you miss out on stuff.

I'm still trying to work out whether it's true or not. Given that people do, rightly or wrongly, execute some of their social lives on Facebook, and good friendships often form simply from people seeing a lot of each other because they're in the same class or the same activity or whatever, my current conclusion is that if you don't participate, it may take longer to get properly integrated into whatever social circle you are hoping to get integrated into.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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[quote]Wait, you're complaining that people have stopped talking about:
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women (Yes, we [guys] all love them, but the subject gets old and it isn't exactly healthy if it's all you can think of)[/quote]
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23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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I think the allegation is that if you aren't using Facebook like everyone else, you miss out on stuff.

So if you don't interact in this social system, you don't know what's going on. This blows my mind. ;D

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OICW
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Wait, you're complaining that people have stopped talking about:
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and are now talking about something computery, even if it is Facebook?

I'm not complaining about anything. I'm just pointing out that it is weird in a circle of normal people to discuss computer related stuff. But now it looks like it's very fashionable. Still when I come in and start to discuss my projects etc. I suddenly look geeky. So I tell you what, for me it looks nerdy to discuss Facebook related stuff. Like what have you done there etc., if nothing more it is kinda redundant, since those people already know.

Come on, where's the normal beer discussion topics?

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Vanneto
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Boy you know your friends are a sad bunch when they are talking about FB in real life. ;D Seriously, you need to straighten them out. ;)

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OICW
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Vanneto: I don't give a damn about FB or them talking about it in real life. I was just surprised by the fact that they were discussing this thing on an event, where you typically discuss anything else and do other things. And I think that it is something to think about deeper.

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ngiacomelli
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October 2004

I enjoy Twitter. It's nice for following real-life friends as well as products and companies. I operate Birdhive, which is a link curation engine powered by Twitter users. And I've also developed a Twitter client for the OS X dashboard.

For me, it essentially fulfills the role of an RSS aggregator. I also favour it over Facebook because it is essentially one of the only social networking websites that is entirely anti-social. I can remain largely anonymous, rather than worrying that my photographs will end up splashed all over the web after a particularly messy night out.

Bruce Perry
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Vanneto said:

Boy you know your friends are a sad bunch when they are talking about FB in real life. ;D

In the case of the people I know, discussion of Facebook is quite limited. It starts with a reference to what's been posted there, and continues with some shared laughter and then possibly some further discussion that hasn't already take place on Facebook. People still like to (re-)share a joke in person and see each other laugh for real - and it also serves as a subject for discussion in person, which is always good. :)

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le_y_mistar
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January 2007
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fb is a good socializing tool.

[quote] *

cars (Why would you want to discuss them? They're ugly!)
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politics (Why would you want to discuss it? It's full of liars and hideously complicated and boring!)
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women (Yes, we [guys] all love them, but the subject gets old and it isn't exactly healthy if it's all you can think of)
*

weather (Well yeah, this one's fun to discuss)
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our life (i.e. Facebook... hmm)
[/quote]

Minus weather, all those are pretty good topics. Cars and hoes are awesome.

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ReyBrujo
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Of course from a technical standpoint they could easily have allowed much longer messages per unit of money, but most people won't understand how the data bandwidth compares and will compare the obvious metric: the number of words you can express per unit of money. The mobile phone industry is full of greedy ruthless evil people (my former boss worked in it and regularly testifies), so it's no surprise they took advantage.

Hmm... I think you are wrong. Grossly simplified, a phone line has two channels, a data channel and a status channel. The data channel is where the conversation data (voice) travels. The status channel is where the protocol between the phone and the central travels. In other words, the phone uses the status channel to find the closest node, to send the dial information when you try to call, and to get located by the central. This status channel can only send messages of up to 160 bytes. When SMS were created, they decided to make them travel through the status channel instead of the data one, because the data channel may get congested, but the status channel should not and, if the status channel is down, your phone is without signal and therefore cannot send anything. That is why the SMS have a 160 bytes limit, because it is traveling in the system tunnel instead of the user one. That is why they don't assure you the SMS will reach the other user (it is much like a datagram socket), and that is why even in very crowded places with hundreds of people using phones (like the surrounding area in a concert, a sport match or similar) you may not be able to call someone but can message them.

If you want longer SMS, it needs to get split to travel via the channel, and nobody assures you the receiver will get all the packages.

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Bruce Perry
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We had lovely weather today. I cycled all the way to Ickleton, discovered this utterly awesome path, and ate some of the best pub food I've ever had. The whole thing took 7 hours - 7 hours of car-free awesomeness.

All this was preceded by a message from a certain someone, hoping I had nice weather too. It's the first time she's sent me a pointless message just to show she's thought of me. Aww. :)

Now we just need the politicians to ban cars and we're all set.

(I wonder if I should put my trip on Facebook)

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ReyBrujo - wow... yeah, I didn't know any of that. :)

But mobile phone companies are full of evil people. ;)

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I have decided to use this thread to tweet about my life.

Tweet : I'm adding to a thread.

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