That's different.

Didn't you just say not to feed the... oh, never mind. It's Bamccaig, at least he argues with some reasoning.

Technically the muscle car still serves a practical purpose. It still gets you from point A to B. There are fundamental differences between owning, maintaining, and driving a muscle car; and burning an oil field. The only thing burning the oil field really accomplishes is consuming fuel and providing a spectacle. The heat isn't likely to be practical in any sense so it's mostly wasted (and I've never really seen anybody that enjoys a lot of heat; it's one of those things that is interesting to experience, but quickly becomes unbearable). All I'm really trying to get at is that one serves may practical purposes and the other is mostly wasteful. I made a weak argument (we've already had this argument in the past though) and Matthew Leverton called me on it.

Sure. If you have a use for them, then by all means use them. Most people don't need them though.

If you don't need one and could use a more gas-efficient alternative, then you're wasting fuel and therefor money. Now, I don't have a problem with people wasting their own money if that's what they want to do (it's their money, afterall), but I really don't see the point in doing it (maybe I'm just stingy).
Wasting fuel is another matter, I do think that's somewhat irresponsible in this day and age.

You mean, an aweful lot of horrible noise?

Neither of which make that much sense if you're driving it around a city, or even on a highway with speed restrictions.

As I say, it's their money to waste.

Nope, I think it's absolutely great that it does. Even without there's more than enough people driving them.

Now, I'd intended to make a statement about public transport being provided by private companies that need to pay for fuel just like anyone else, rather than state owned companies payed off fuel taxes, but I'm not sure whether I should?

Ron Paul would agree. Well, not maybe with the (ridiculous) details of the claim, but the idea itself.

The fact is, the guys (and even a few girls) that love this stuff have good reason to. It's something that we just feel deep inside when we hear American muscle or rice rockets. Your heart races and you can't fight the joy it gives you (nor would you want to).

The following videos are from a TV show I used to watch a few years ago (I think it's been canceled now, though there are similar shows still on, but I wish I had the time to watch and that the shows I used to love were still on). Watch them or don't. I don't really care. It's a little bit of education for those of you uneducated. If you don't care, then don't watch them.

Dodge Charger - American Muscle Car - part 1
Dodge Charger - American Muscle Car - part 2
Dodge Charger - American Muscle Car - part 3

I agree 100%. Stock trucks are not inherently cool cars to drive around. They are practical work-horses. A lot of people drive them around because they're in fashion so to speak in North America and it pisses me off. Largely because the bitches (male and female) driving them daily can't drive them worth shit. The small grocery store nearby now has a diagonal parking lot, even though the concrete blocks are parallel to the parking lot, and everybody used to park perpendicular to them. The only reason for the change is large pickup trucks and stupid people driving them. Those are not car guys driving them. They are (ugh) normal people.

The thing is, car guys don't drive to get from point A to B. Of course, when we have somewhere to be we often drive, but we also drive for the pleasure in driving. We just enjoy muscle cars and the extra expenses that go along with them are welcomed (think of gamers with expensive gaming machines, etc.; it's the same idea).

I don't think it's irresponsible to burn the fuel. After all, you paid for it, do what you want with it. Mankind will make do with what we have and shortages in one fuel source will only increase demand for other fuel sources. We will get by. I must drive people crazy; they're complaining about gas prices and I'm revving my engine in a parking lot.

Maybe it's an acquired taste, but car guys love the sounds. Maybe the sounds are horrible in Europe, but here in North America what we call muscle cars definitely sound awesome.

It can still be fun, even if you have to be a little reserved about it. And showing off a little can be fun as well. Spread the joy. I love to see muscle cars get a little loud and loose now and then.

You can't take it with you when you go. If you can afford to, and many people in North America can , and it brings you joy, then it makes sense to spend the money.

And though I can't find a good YouTube video for the original Dukes Of Hazzard show, here's a scene from the movie remake (which was a little different, but still awesome).

The OSCE has put out a press release, according to Der Spiegel, that it is Georgia that should be blamed for the crisis in Caucasus.

Links:

http://www.osce.org/
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,575396,00.html
the above translated to English

Georgia attacked first.

Now can we please stop blaming Russia for the crisis?

I know a woman. Using Frank's [kiddies playground] logic, I therefore am one. Instantomatic sex change, boys and girls.

Are you oblivious to previous posts, pointing out this claim is incorrect:

Are you 12?

I can only hope you are just a troll, and not this dumb I have hope for you young one.

A rather obvious forgery as well. It also just "magically" fell into their laps at just the right moment with all of the info they needed to justify their actions, and then some. A very convenient forgery.

Okay, it seems like most of you agree with axilmars position. Fine. Let Russia have S. Ossetia and Azbekia. I don't care. It's you're continent.

My question is this: what are your collective thoughts on extrapolating Russias actions into the future? Will Belaruss and Ukrain host Russian 'peace keepers' in the near future? Will Russia 'peace keep' all of Georgia?

Is this likely?

Will you support Russia then as you do today if it does happen?

Edit; and axilmar, that's quiet a laundry list of grievances you've got there, unfortuanately, I don't care. Why are you so hung up on ancient history?

"ou know the biggest problem is that Saakashvili got too confident and tried to mess with Russia. "

I think Georgia messed with Georgia is more like it.

"1 US supported dictatorships around the world: Chile, Greece, etc."

It is an unfortunate reality of the world. It looks like everyone dealing with Russia may be doing just that as well.

"2) US is not fair with its politics. It applies double standards all the time. It lets Israel get away with many atrocities in Palestine, yet it takes action on Kossovo and other places."

Your very misguided on this one. I do not see Israel suicide bombing palestine people. Israel allows for peace and the rag heads break the peace by blowing up more people.

"3) US recognized 'Macedonia', where no self-respected Historian around the world can attribute the culture of Macedonia to Bulgarians."

Cultures and the name of a country to not have to match.

"4) US lets Turkey get away with occupying Cyprus. It was an invasion...yet it's ok for the US."

It seems like all of Europe let turkey get away with it. It does not get more in europes back yard than this.

"5) US used drug money to fuel wars in South America."

I think many people went to jail over that incident also.

"There is no 'blind US hatred'"

There is a blind hatred of those more successful and the most successful is the USA.

The positive actions of the USA far out weigh any of your perceived bad actions. Many of the positive actions most of the world are oblivious of. Patrolling the seas is in the USA's interest but a side effect is that shipping lanes are open for all nations. It would be easy enough for the usa to not allow competing nations goods to ship freely. We could have charged a tariff r something for free of hassle shipping. All these things are taken for granted. This proves that many of you are spoiled by the current world conditions and have no idea how bad the world would actually be without the USA. Lets all hope you guys can continue living in your dream world.

Like I have said before I would be more than happy if the USA left most of the world to the wolves in order for Europe and other namby pamby nations to appreaciate what the USA does again. Like most personal relationships, we get complacent and fail to see all the good our partner does. A good dose of tuff love would do so much good for another 30 or 40 years.

"Are you 12?"

takes one to know one right?

"Does intentional disregard of proper forum formatting warrant a ban?"

Just like a good liberal to change the subject when they are losing a debate. Does being annal warrant a forum ban? If so maybe Arvidsson should be banned.

"without UN support"

What does this mean exactly? Does it mean the USA enforced the toothless UN threats concerning IRAQ or does it mean the UN sent no troops for the Iraq invasion because they had not men available and were stretched too thin solving the problem in Darfur?

"I know a woman. Using Frank's [kiddies playground] logic, I therefore am one."

So HardTranceFan admits that he is a girl. That would explain some of his spinelessness. You can take care of that by getting a job or moving to a liberal country that covers such mental disorders.