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[Rant]Kids these days are useless!
Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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All of these issues are irrelevant to a proper comparison. I will give one example of the irrelevance before moving on.

You're trying to shift the argument.

You said that there isn't "a single logical reason (short of the sexual appeal) to throw your money at an apple laptop."

You accept that:

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Some people prefer the workflow on a Mac.
Some people are more competent on a Mac.
Some people are happier on a Mac.
Some people are faster on a Mac.

So we can only conclude that you do not consider picking a laptop on which you prefer the workflow or are more competent or with which you are happier or on which you are faster to be "logical".

Since I do consider all of those to be logical reasons to pick a particular laptop, I doubt if we are going to come to any agreement.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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ReyBrujo said:

Electricity lines were filled with kite remains!

Do we want children grounding themselves to power lines? ???

ReyBrujo said:

My nephew at 4 has never seen a kite,...

Whose fault is that? >:(

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Do we want children grounding themselves to power lines?

You have never played with a kite, am I right? :P

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Whose fault is that?

My sister's husband who bought a PS2 :P

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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ReyBrujo said:

You have never played with a kite, am I right? :P

Sure I have.

ReyBrujo said:

My sister's husband who bought a PS2 :P

If you're concerned about it why not buy him a kite and organize a day at the park...? ???

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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If I were interested in teaching them things, I would have my own children :P I believe parents are the ones who decide how to educate their children. And even when I am playing soccer, he would come and ask when I am going to play Zelda again, so I am guessing he is not that interested in sports.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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ReyBrujo said:

If I were interested in teaching them things, I would have my own children :P I believe parents are the ones who decide how to educate their children.

I agree with you to a point. So it's his parents' fault. :P Still though, I don't see his parents caring if you teach him to fly a kite (so long as you avoid power lines ::)) and if you think it would do him good then it makes sense for you to do it.

ReyBrujo said:

And even when I am playing soccer, he would come and ask when I am going to play Zelda again, so I am guessing he is not that interested in sports.

Are you still talking about the 4 year old? A number of sports are difficult for children to play successfully. It makes complete sense that they would prefer playing a video game that they can master rather than struggling with a game designed for big kids.

However, you need to encourage them to play sports now so that when they do get big enough to play they want to (because the people they look up to have demonstrated how fun it can be).

BAF
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December 2002
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It doesn't install them by default, but it pops up a dialog saying that here's a list of drivers (Intel video driver, and Broadcom wireless) that are necessary to install for full usage of your computer but that Ubuntu cannot provide support for them. A total of one dialog, which is far fewer than the amount it takes if you were to install a fresh copy of Windows on a Dell laptop!

Ah, I had to manually install the vmware kernel modules and such, and once I rebooted and it caught the loaded modules it thought something got hijacked or something. Had to go through 2 or 3 dialogs, but they haven't come back up since.

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Although I don't have those problems (I am used to installing the NVidia drivers through command line), I noticed the dialog when a friend installed it at work. I thought it was pretty cool, because it hid a lot of stuff that is not necessary for the end user.

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However, you need to encourage them to play sports now so that when they do get big enough to play they want to (because the people they look up to have demonstrated how fun it can be).

Oh, I try. Soccer isn't that hard, just kick a ball. And not even a soccer one, just a balloon of any kind. The problem is, he is through his "dinosaur" phase, where he likes them, so we took him to the natural museum, and to different expositions. But since in games like Zelda you fight against big creatures, he wants to either see a living dinosaur, or the one in the game :P

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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BAF said:

Ah, I had to manually install the vmware kernel modules...

There are kernel modules for virtualization? :o

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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There are kernel modules for virtualization? :o

VMware implements its hypervisor via a kernel module that actually takes over and reboots the kernel ontop of it. Its an odd hack. Also, other parts provide virtualized hardware drivers, like special optimized virtual disk, network, and video drivers.

KVM on the other hand, uses linux itself as the hypervisor, and the kvm modules just provide hooks for qemu to properly hook into the kernel and the processor's hardware virt extensions.

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BAF
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December 2002
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Uhm, I'm talking about the kernel module drivers for vmware. As in, I was running it under VMWare, so it needed the drivers for full mouse/kb/clipboard/etc integration.

ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Just saying, Ubuntu picked KVM instead of Xen (which has been picked by RedHat and Suse). I have never been interested in them, but from what I read, KVM appears to be the less obtrusive one (in terms of kernel modifications needed to make it work) than Xen. Is it right?

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Quite. Xen provides support for hardware that doesn't support hardware virtualization. KVM depends on it, otherwise it defaults to Qemu's software emulation. But I've been looking at kvm recently, and I think I prefer it over Xen now. It sure is a heck of a lot simpler. You can even do realtime migration over ssh for peatsake.

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ReyBrujo
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So, KVM is like KQemu, switching to Qemu mode if necessary. I have only used VMWare (and Virtual Box), but never full hardware virtualization (other than KQemu). Does it come with some kind of front-end, or it just provides the API needed by Qemu, VMWare, Virtual Box or similar to be used?

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光子「あたしただ…奪う側に回ろうと思っただけよ」
Mitsuko's last words, Battle Royale

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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KVM is an alternative to KQemu to be honest. But its a little more flexible, uses hardware virt extensions (and only hardware extensions, it won't run if you don't have any), and comes with more recent kernels. If you install a KVM package in a distro, it pulls in qemu. Any front ends that work with qemu work with kvm.

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Rash
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May 2002
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LennyLen said:

Kids these days are useless!

I agree! They always generalize from a sample size of one!

LennyLen
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December 2004
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I agree! They always generalize from a sample size of one!

They also seem to fail to recognize that when someone goes to the effort of putting a [rant] tag in a thread title that it's to indicate that the post serves nothing more than to get something off one's chest and should not be taken entirely seriously.

Luckily, it appears that most people here seem to have realized that.

OICW
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November 2003
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Luckily, it appears that most people here seem to have realized that.

And the others were discussing something completely different. Gee, this thread has been derailed on the first page.

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