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Linux Install - "Missing operating system"
Onewing
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This is kind of a continuation of this thread. I decided I should go ahead and attempt to setup linux so I can see how my program runs instead of just seeing if it would compile.

I've got an old Compaq computer with a Pentium (that's right, just a single Pentium) inside. When I turned it on, it said "Missing operating system." I tried a Kororaa XGL LiveCD, but it kept booting in a circle. I then tried a Ubuntu LiveCD, which at least came up with something and started to do something. However, there was one error in the process: "Unmounting local filesystems: failed". A few more "success"ful commands came up and then it told me to remove the CD and press Enter. After I pressed Enter, the computer shutdown. I started it back up and guess what was displayed: "Missing operating system." Any ideas?

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Michael Faerber
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July 2004
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Either your CD or your ISO image is defective - or the computer is simply too old. But first I would check the CD and maybe redownload the image.

EDIT: Also, could it be possible that the hard drive has died?

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BAF
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December 2002
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Just for reference - the Kororaa won't even think about running on a Pentium. You need like a new system with a pretty nice graphics card to run it.

kdevil
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March 2001
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How much memory does the computer have? I recall hearing that the Ubuntu LiveCD doesn't run well/at all on systems with <128MB. If the computer is really old, I'd suggest using something a bit more lightweight than the standard Ubuntu install: Xubuntu's alternate CD should work well on older systems.

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OICW
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November 2003
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On systems with less than 192MB specifically, you should try either alternate install, or Gentoo minimal (around 75 Megs) to get to know if your harddisk is screwed.

Hehe this is odd, I just gave up trying to install OS on my previous 2,5" HDD from laptop (I wanted to sell it with that disk). But one odd thing is that something makes some weird noises (like a pin on metal) inside when you manipulate with the disk. WinXP freezes at "registering components", Win2k won't even start installation, though they're able to formate the disk and copy files on it. And Gentoo has just said that I have to specify file system, when I tried to mount it (it was freshly formated as Fat32). And yes, Ubuntu started yelling at me some pretty messages saying something about bad sectors.

So I guess the disk is toasted. The most weirdest thing is that I've had one year on it Win98 and all data was still there when I plugged it to computer via USB, I also had 10GB of data on it last week, but every attempt to install OS on it just screws up. :'(

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Onewing
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Well, I used the Ubuntu LiveCD on another computer at work and it worked fine, so the CD itself is good. I did some research and I guess there's some different options I can set on the main Ubuntu screen, maybe that will work. Of course, I need to make sure the hard drive itself is good.

I'm going to hold off on installing Xubuntu, mainly because the file is so big. I have another pentium 4 at home with windowsXP on it, I might try to get Ubuntu to work on it (it's not in the best shape and I wanted to put this compaq to some use...).

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BAF
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Use a smaller linux. Anything Ubuntu, Mandriva, Kororaa, or anything is too big. Go with a DSL, Gentoo, or Debian install, something where you control everything that is installed.

Onewing
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something where you control everything that is installed.

Personally, I don't want any control, I just want it to work like it should. This Ubuntu is giving me some serious problems:

I got home and tried to start up my other computer. For some reason, it freaked out and doesn't seem to be talking with the monitor (I assume the video card died for who knows why). Anyway, back on topic, I'm now trying to get the Ubuntu LiveCD to just work on my newest computer, which it should no problem. Fact is, there's lots of problems! Here's the first problem I came to:

"Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly."

Uh, well than set it up correctly? Anger. Looked through the logs and found "(EE) no devices detected." which came right after "(WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected."

I bring Ubuntu down and bring Windows up, do some research, find the screwy command, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", step through the prompts, get to where I'm suppose to pick the color bits (I select the default 24-bits) and a message pops up, "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting posssibly -customised configuration file, backup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.20061010031258". There's a prompt there, so I type startx and get, "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

Once again, anger. Any help?

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Personally, I don't want any control, I just want it to work like it should.

Then go with Windows 95. Or better, 3.1. Thats all about you're going to get running on there without any work.

Your computer is just too damn old to get anything decently modern working on it.

A smaller, more minimal distro like DSL may work just fine, but Ubuntu? I doubt it.

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Onewing
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Thats all about you're going to get running on there without any work.

I'm not surprised it doesn't work on the old computer, I was referring more to the problems that I mentioned that are occurring with my brand new computer.

I want a Linux distro somewhere only for testing my programs, that's it.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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I was referring more to the problems that I mentioned that are occurring with my brand new computer.

Try not to do that in the future. You're talking about an older computer, and then mention what you want in an OS for a totally different computer. Yeah.

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Onewing
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Try not to do that in the future.

Yeah, I tried to use a colon to denote that the focus of the problem was to follow and not on the previous discussion, but it ended up garbling it even more I suppose.

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OICW
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For that Gentoo, I thing he should obtain Stage 1 archive, because of that limited hardware he has. IIRC Gentoo Live CD begins installation from Stage 3 and has been designed for newer systems.

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James Stanley
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Maybe try SimplyMEPIS. I use it as my main desktop OS, it comes with compilers and it's based on Debian. Actually, I think the newer ones are based on Ubuntu so I can't speak for those, but Mepis 3.4-3 is great. If you get 3.4-3 make sure to:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

as soon as possible.

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After clicking my link, select Download Mepis, then scroll down and choose a mirror

Onewing
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Forget the old computer.

I want to figure out why I can't get ubuntu working properly on the brand new computer. The errors are listed above. Does anyone have any ideas? Will it not work with my ATI video card?

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Michael Faerber
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I've read this in a Wiki:

apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (you have to choose "fglrx" there)

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BAF
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For that Gentoo, I thing he should obtain Stage 1 archive, because of that limited hardware he has. IIRC Gentoo Live CD begins installation from Stage 3 and has been designed for newer systems.

Are you serious? Stage 3 is with the most stuff compiled, stage 1 is the least. It would take a LONG time to boostrap a stage 1 system on a 100mhz cpu.

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apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx

No luck, I get "failed to fetch...404: not found". There's a lot more (mainly a long url and a few numbers) to the error if I need to type it all out. However, I figure I don't have any connection with the internet, hence it can't get the stuff to install. Which brings me to my next question...

How do I get a network connection from the command line? So far, google hasn't helped, but I'm still trying. Any help would be superb.

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Well, scratch that I suppose. I put in a Knoppix LiveCD that a co-worker recommended and ka-blam, I'm runnin' linux. It's unfortunate that I couldn't get Ubuntu working, I was oddly looking forward to it. I think if I downgraded it might have worked. Anyway, I guess it's back to Progress, that sultry mistress. Expect related "da-huh, why doesn't my program run on linux" threads to start shortly.

Did I say "unfortunate"? I mean "whoo hoo!"

(I guess I'll have to live with two monitors displaying the same output for now...)

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Simon Parzer
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I put in a Knoppix LiveCD that a co-worker recommended and ka-blam, I'm runnin' linux.

I hope you didn't actually install Knoppix to your HD...

Onewing
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I hope you didn't actually install Knoppix to your HD...

No...but why? Knoppix seems to be working rather nicely for me, plus I got allegro to work with it. Thus, theoritically, I should be able to install Knoppix to the HD (assuming I figure out to properlly setup a dual boot) and get allegro working with it in no time and finally be able to write games for linux.

Right?

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Simon Parzer
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Right?

Knoppix consists of a compressed HD image which can be installed, but obviously it will be not as fast as a real Linux system. Basically, it is optimized to run from CD.

If you want something like Knoppix, install Debian.

Onewing
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but obviously it will be not as fast as a real Linux system.

But will it be as fast as it was as when it was on the CD? In other words, if I install Knoppix to my HD, will it be slower than when I was running from the CD? If the speed is the same, that's fine, because it wasn't that slow.

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OICW
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Are you serious? Stage 3 is with the most stuff compiled, stage 1 is the least. It would take a LONG time to boostrap a stage 1 system on a 100mhz cpu.

Well at least that was what I read somewhere, though I think that if you need to install Gentoo on low end system, like 100MHz computer or 486, stage 3 is not the best option. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Michael Faerber
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But will it be as fast as it was as when it was on the CD? In other words, if I install Knoppix to my HD, will it be slower than when I was running from the CD? If the speed is the same, that's fine, because it wasn't that slow.

I don't think speed is the major problem - it's probably the fact that Knoppix was designed more to be a LiveCD than to be a Linux you keep installed permanently.

May I ask you why you don't set up a network connection on Linux? A networkless Linux is SO much worse than a connected one!

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Onewing
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May I ask you why you don't set up a network connection on Linux?

From my "kablam, I'm runnin' linux" to this post, I was using Konqueror on Knoppix to post...so I'm not sure I understand your question since I had a network connection. ???

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