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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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Did anyone buy this too? No matter what I do I can't get Disc 4 to read right and it keeps locking up a Data4.cab when installing. I was hoping someone could upload the Data4.cab file so I can download it and finish my installation of the new Leisure Suit Larry game. The tech support won't let me get a copy of the file because "it's copyrighted."

LennyLen
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December 2004
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Did anyone buy this too? No matter what I do I can't get Disc 4 to read right and it keeps locking up a Data4.cab when installing.

If it's a new game and there is a problem with the disc, why can't you just take your copy back to where you bought it and have it replaced with one that works?

Mars
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February 2001
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It might also be some stupid sort of copy protection that's incompatible with your cd drive. I've had that with a couple of Ubisoft games. But take it back and demand a replacement first.

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khristina yer
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May 2005
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If his stores are anything like they are down here, he can't.
the Wal-mart here has a return policy, that you can return anyitem except if its been opened.(the electronic section)

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September 2001

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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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All of our stores are like Walmart. Once it is open they have no proof that the buyer didn't mess up the disc. One file copied fine off the disc but for some reason Data4.cab wouldn't copy off the disc. I had copied everything to my HD so that it would install off the hd and it works except for data4.cab .

LennyLen
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December 2004
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If his stores are anything like they are down here, he can't.
the Wal-mart here has a return policy, that you can return anyitem except if its been opened.(the electronic section)

Caveat emptor huh? And what about consumer rights? You should (IMO at least) have the right to buy goods that are not faulty. In New Zealand, if a product is faulty you can return it and the retailer must either replace it or have it repaired at their expense.

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All of our stores are like Walmart. Once it is open they have no proof that the buyer didn't mess up the disc

Which is pretty stupid since you can't tell whether or not it works without opening the product.

Do you have the right to demand that they demonstrate that it works before you buy it?

Sirocco
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April 2000
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Generally, if you have your receipt (and in many cases even if you don't) and the purchase was within thiry days, you can exchange the game for the same title. Once you open the plastic wrap you are locked to that title and can't exchange it for a different one.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Generally, if you have your receipt (and in many cases even if you don't) and the purchase was within thiry days, you can exchange the game for the same title. Once you open the plastic wrap you are locked to that title and can't exchange it for a different one.

Is that a national (federal?) law, or can that be changed by each state?

The law here demands a receipt as well, and does not guarantee that the consumer will get either a refund or exchange for another product. Some times retailers will do this out of goodwill though.

Fladimir da Gorf
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October 2001
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One thing I've been wondering... if you don't accept the EULA, can you return the product? After all, you don't get to see the EULA before you've bought the product and if you decide to not to accept it, you can't use the product.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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I guess here in the UK we're at the relatively relaxed end of the scale, legally. When you purchase an item you implicitly make a contract and the Sale of Goods Act implies a term into that contract that the goods will be of satisfactory quality and fit for their purchase.

If you get a faulty product then the shop obviously want something like a receipt so they can be sure you bought from them but in the strict sense anything that could establish on a balance of probabilities that you bought the item in that shop and that it wasn't of satisfactory quality or was unfit for its purpose will do. It's very hard to think of any realistic examples though!

The main point is that because a shop won't do something (exchange a faulty product because the seal was broken) doesn't mean you don't have the legal right to do it and if you make that clear to the management they'll probably sort it out for you. Otherwise it's probably worth heading for your local Citizen's Advice Bureau equivalent to figure out what to do next.

Sirocco
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Is that a national (federal?) law, or can that be changed by each state?

No, this is determined entirely by the seller. If the seller provides signs or a notice on the receipt that "all sales are final" then you cannot return the merchandise for any reason whatsoever. Generally speaking, the larger the retailer, the more lax their return policies are.

For media, the rule of thumb is:

1. Under thirty days with receipt unopened: full refund.
2. Under thirty days, opened (with or without receipt): exchange for same item.

After thirty days it becomes your problem ;) Here in the US almost every retailer provides explicit details on their return policies on the back of their receipts.

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I should also note that it is not the responsibility of the retailer to indefinitely warrant the item you purchased. Retailers have limited ability to return or replace defective items, which are only slightly more lenient than their own return policies. So, when the manager agrees to take back the phone you bought a year ago that has suddenly stopped working, rest assured they lose the entire sale, because the manufacturer will not take it back unless it can be proven to be in new condition and defective.

After thirty days, you should take advantage of your manufacturer's warranty. Although it can take months to get it replaced, most of the time you'll get your item back good as new.

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Mars
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February 2001
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One thing I've been wondering... if you don't accept the EULA, can you return the product? After all, you don't get to see the EULA before you've bought the product and if you decide to not to accept it, you can't use the product.

Here in Germany EULAs are mostly invalid because of that.

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X-G
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December 2000
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I would be surprised if there didn't exist laws in your country guaranteeing your right to receive a product that is functioning according to what you expect it to reasonably do, i.e. not be broken. That is, all purchases (that are not between private persons, I suppose) are made with the assumption that the product actually works, and if it doesn't, you're entitled to a replacement or your money back, regardless of whether this is explicitly stated by the salesperson or not.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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They (the store) will let you exchange it if you actually bought it and have the receipt. :P They won't let you get a refund for opened software, and for good reason.

Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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Matthew: wish I lived near you then. I went to the store with the reciept in hand just to have them end up getting the store manager to come and tell me that if it is open I'm stuck with it:(.

kentl
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November 2002

So you don't have any rights as a consumer at all in the states? Remember that sometimes the people in the store tell you things which aren't true, you might have the legal right to get it exchanged.

Sirocco
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So you don't have any rights as a consumer at all in the states?

You do, but you can't lay everything on the retailer.

The manufacturer -> retailer -> consumer chain exists for a reason. If he bought the game and the retailer (for whatever reason) refuses to exchange it, he can contact the manufacturer for repair. If there is no legit reason for refusing the exchange, he would be advised to contact the district manager for the store (assuming it is a large chain), who would likely make the exchange happen.

Don't confuse his situation with what's standard here in America. Assuming he bought the game less than a month ago, it is highly unusual to have a store outright deny a same-item exchange.

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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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I contacted Sierra's Support and they said take it to the retailer. When I explained what happened the tech team said I have to pay $50 again to get in because Data4.cab is a copyrighted file and can't be put online for me to download. That is the only file I need. I can put it all on my HD and be able to install it with no problem. The retailer I bought it from was my local Walmart and I worked in the electronics section and I was always told never except open return no matter what. Then the exception was we would take back open Systems, test them and resale them because their boxes were easier to repackage.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I'm sorry, but I really don't believe your story... A simple google search gives this text over and over again:

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To replace your game disc, please send only the damaged CD and a copy of your dated receipt, if less than 90 days after purchase. ...

It's standard policy. They have no reason not to let you exchange the disks. Same goes for the retailer.

Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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It's standard policy. They have no reason not to let you exchange the disks. Same goes for the retailer.

Come to Bloomington, Indiana and buy a cheap $20 game on any system. Open it and keep the receipt for it. Next day go back to Walmart and try to return it. They tell you once and if you persist they have the store manager come to deal with you and the problem. Walmart only cares about making money and will do it anyway they can.

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My wife just reminded me that they have the no exchange if open policy posted at the Electronics registers. Also if you have a receipt from Electronics the receipt has it on there too.

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Walmart considers console games and computer games the same and even the Walmart site says this for electronics:
ELECTRONICS

Computer hardware: Must be returned with any included software within 15 days of receipt.
Computer components and computer accessories: Must be returned within 45 days of receipt.
Computer software: Must be returned unopened.
Camcorders and digital cameras: Must be returned within 30 days of receipt.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Don't try to return it. You can't return opened software. You can, however, exchange it for a new copy of the same software title. I've done it with Walmart up here in NY before. Even their policy (at least up here) is posted all over in electronics, saying they won't refund for opened software, after you've opened you can only exchange it.

[edit] Didn't see the no exchange if open thing before I posted. They don't have that up here, in NY what it says is you can't RETURN if its open, you can only exchange it for the same thing.

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

So basically they can sell broken CD:s and won't let you exchange them when you open the case and try to use it? If that's the case and they are allowed to do this by law, then you should contact a newspaper and have them write an article about it.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Computer software: Must be returned unopened.

Of course you cannot return it. However, they should allow you to exchange it. If that "no exchange" sign really exists, just rip it up in front of them. :P I've never heard of Walmart not accepting any kind of exchange within thirty days. (For example, my brother recently exchanged an Xbox game at the local Walmart.)

Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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Damn, tried to take it back and since everything works other than that one file the store says it is a problem I need to take up with Sierra. When I take it up with Sierra they say to take it up with the retailer. So either I find a Leisure Suit Larry owner that will upload Data4.cab so I can copy it to my HD (all discs are copied to LSLD) because I can install it out of LSLD instead of the discs. I just need Data4.cab from Leisure Suit Larry Magna Cum Laude installation Disc4.

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