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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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try white or black text

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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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He gives credits after someone points out that it's an OSWD template. Not the first time he has done this (is this the third or fourth time? I've lost count), and probably not the last.

First of all, this is the 2nd time. Second of all, i was told by a bunch of people on irc not to bother crediting the person who made it (because it was donated to the public domain. same idea with allegro, you dont always say made with allegro even though it is based on allegro).

And what is wrong with using templates (as long as they look halfway decent)? I am not good at web design. I can code HTML/PHP fine, just i dont haev a good sense for design. In the case of bafsoft.com, mutator gave me the graphics and sketched out the general design of how it fits together, and i put it all together (with betterification later by CGames).

Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001

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First of all, this is the 2nd time.

Lies. Again. I remember at least three - a dark blue/orange design, a light blue/white design, and then this.

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it was donated to the public domain

Bzzt. Wrong. Design license is up to the author - it can be (L)GPL, Creative Commons, public domain, etc. In the design in question, the author has clearly marked his copyright message - meaning that he has not given up his copyright. That should be enough to hint that it's not exactly public domain.

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And what is wrong with using templates (as long as they look halfway decent)?

Gnatinator: BAF's getting advanced.

That is wrong. Without proper credits, you'll lead people into thinking that you did it. But I guess that people who already know you also know that you could never make anything like that.

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I can code HTML/PHP fine

Looking back at everything you've done so far - no, you can't.

Torbjörn Josefsson
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September 2000
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SSC: I think you need to break up all that text into recognizable sections - maybe through some use of tables? You can also have the headings in a different style. Please lose the background.. I've started thinking that green is pretty hard to combine with most other colors, in a good looking way

And, yes - it looks pretty bad in Opera

BAF: Looks pretty good! But it feels a bit bland, and yet(heh) over-designed (everything is Small Small Small!) :) - emphasize Something! - It all looks the same, regardless of what function it has

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Radagar
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September 2002
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I know my design skills suck. I'll work on toning down and coordinating the colors, and limit myself to 3.

I want a green textured background, anyone find me a good one that isn't as wild as this?

Also, WHY IN THE WORLD does it look so horrible in Opera? In firefox and Mozilla, it doesn't look like that at all. Not everything is underlined and flowing together. That's just wierd. Attached it what it looks like to me.

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X-G
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December 2000
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Radagar
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September 2002
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Thanks for the link X-G.

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BAF
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December 2002
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I can code HTML/PHP fine

Looking back at everything you've done so far - no, you can't.

Name one example showing that i cant...

Derezo
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April 2001
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Radagar: It looks much better with the solid backgrounds on top of the wallpaper.
My only complaint now is that it's brown ;)
A solid green might look nice, if you adjust the text colors accordingly. Either way, it looks much better.

Now I have a site design up for critical analysis ;)
I'm looking for comments on the layout and code, cross-compatibility with browsers, and any suggestions. It passes the w3c validators, but real world tests are better. :) The actual content on the site is very little, but a feel for the design is there.

I'm going to be adding a few themes, so leave comments on the dark theme to a minimum ;) I do realize it's somewhat difficult to read, and I have plans for lightening some areas.
I also have plans for a black on white theme and a blue on white theme. I started with blue on white, and made the red/grey on black as a secondary theme.. but then modified it so much that the blue on white theme doesn't look right anymore.

Anyway.
The site is temporarily found here until it's complete.
As the first news item says, it's entirely done with <Div>'s other than the form used to add comments. Everything also operates using mysql databases! \o/
From a design & programming point of view, it has a lot of features that I've been meaning to create for a long time now. I'm now in love with SQL. :)
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Inphernic
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March 2001

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Name one example showing that i cant...

I'll be generous and name you three: bafsoft.com, bafsoft.net, pixelate.co.za.

Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Um, I made pixelate's design, for pixelate...

And I misread your post so yea. Wee.

Marcello

Inphernic
Member #1,111
March 2001

Heh, don't worry, it's not the design I meant.

Radagar
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September 2002
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Radagar: It looks much better with the solid backgrounds on top of the wallpaper.
My only complaint now is that it's brown ;)
A solid green might look nice, if you adjust the text colors accordingly. Either way, it looks much better.

Thanks, I don't know if I like the brown either, but I'm still playing with it. After I get something I like I'll post here again so people can re-check it.

Also, I'm going to have some questions on making my XHTML fully compliant. I'm having some problems with that.

Edit - Ok, please tell me what you think now. Should I use differet colors? Does it still look horrible on Opera?

Also, HERE is my INDEX.html validation results.
How do I fix the problems with the ampersands and why is it complaining about <br> tags? Also, how do i add character encoding to fix the first reported issue?

Thanks if you can help!

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Trumgottist
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April 2000
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BAF said:

same idea with allegro, you dont always say made with allegro even though it is based on allegro

You don't have to do that, but you should. In the words of the Readme.txt:

The Allegro Readme said:

If you redistribute parts of this code or make a game using it, it would be nice if you mentioned Allegro somewhere in the credits, but you are not required to do this. We trust you not to abuse our generosity.

Radagar: In XHTML (which is what you're validating against) all tags have to be closed, including <br>. This means that you should replace all <br> tags with <br />. Replace & with &amp;

A line like this in the header tells what charset you use:
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />

<center> doesn't exist in strict XHTML.

Regarding the looks: Clear improvement. Now it doesn't hurt my eyes, and Opera has no troubles with the site. You now have something to build on. I'd suggest slightly larger text for the menu, and maybe not brown for the mouse-over. At least not that brown and that green. Maybe a little more space for the "Catskills Shard" in the top.

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Radagar
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September 2002
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Thanks Trumgottist.

I actually don't like my color scheme right now, so I'm going to improve it on. I'll also fix what you mentioned.

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Instead of Yellows, what color should I use to go with the green background? I changed the background behind the panels to pure black, as well.

Validation on my members page is horrible. over 500 errors. Apparently XHTML 1.0 Strict doesn't recognize ANY table tags. How do i go about fixing this? Is there another way to declare tables?
HERE is the link.

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BAF
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December 2002
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I'll be generous and name you three: bafsoft.com, bafsoft.net, pixelate.co.za.

what is wrong with the code on those 3 pages? the PHP CODE

Radagar
Member #2,768
September 2002
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Ok, Please Check and Critique now. I think It's looking much better.

Here is what I'm wondering right now...

Instead of Yellows, what color should I use to go with the green background?

Validation on my members page is horrible. over 500 errors. Apparently XHTML 1.0 Strict doesn't recognize ANY table tags. How do i go about fixing this? Is there another way to declare tables?
HERE is the link.

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Rampage
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December 2002
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I think it's much darker now. What about a white background?

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FMC
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March 2004
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Much clearer now :)

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kentl
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November 2002

Yes i also think that you should have a mich lighter color as background. Perhaps a picture in the top of the page? It looks a bit boring at the moment.

gnolam
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March 2002
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Sit! Stay! said:

Validation on my members page is horrible. over 500 errors. Apparently XHTML 1.0 Strict doesn't recognize ANY table tags. How do i go about fixing this? Is there another way to declare tables?

Your table tags are all uppercase. XHTML (being, at least in theory, case sensitive) only permits lowercase tags.

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Radagar
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September 2002
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White looks too bright to me. But black is a little dark.... Any other suggestions?

Oh, thanks gnolam! that's probably the whole issue.

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Inphernic
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March 2001

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what is wrong with the code on those 3 pages? the PHP CODE

Knowing you, most likely everything.

Trumgottist
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April 2000
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The page has gone missing?

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BAF
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December 2002
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inphernic: what is wrong with my php knowledge?

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