sigh... that's what I need...
If there's anyone knowledgable on the subject
here at allegro.cc mayby you can help me...

I get right to the point where I feel the
vibrations, but then my body tences up and
I loose it, every time, It must be how I'm
trying to seperate, any Ideas?

(I'm dumb!...why the HELL would you come here to find that out??)

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my countries internet server (they have a monopoly)
has banned that web page : (
could you pls pls pls send the text to me
at magemog@yahoo.com ?

I just KNOW this is going to set off a holy war, but I can't NOT touch it.

I'm going to quote a line from The Matrix. "Mescaline. It's the only way to fly."

Want to go astral? Do drugs. Lots of them. Particularly hallucinogens. That's as close as you're going to get.

When I first read the topic I thought it was about crazy Israeli Goa-Trance groups

Nothing wrong with sex or cursing, as long as they're done in appropriate company (someone you really know and trust, and people who don't mind, respectively); but seriously, don't do drugs. They may have some nice short-term effects, but they do permanent damage. They're addictive, and I understand getting off them is an absolute nightmare (sweating, shaking, etc.). I'm thankful never to have been subjected to anything like that myself.

I can't comment on the main topic of this post; I know absolutely nothing about it. But when I'm less tired, I shall certainly read up on it; I find this kind of thing interesting. Don't let the discussion dry up

... I can see that my point went by entirely unnoticed. What I meant to say was: "Drugs are the only thing capable of producing such an effect as the one you speak of, and it will be a hallucination in any case."

Flame on!

[Edit and side note]
I do not support using drugs of any form (except caffeine in limited amounts).
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Actually the best astral projection method I ever found was the sunrise method (I believe its called). In fact researchers I think came up with a figure of about 70% success rate. If you don't project your bound to get a lucid dream.

You simple set your alarm for 2 hours before your waking time. Wake up and do anything for an hour that will really wake you up. (it doesnt even have to be an hour, as soon as you know your fully awake). Then, go back to your bed. Now you can try to relax and you will get much better results or if you just go straight back to bed there is a great chance you will have vivid dreams.

Magemog: Your problem sounds like your just going to have to practice more to overcome it. It's a very scary thing at first feeling what seems to be electrical energy pulsing throughout your body. But if you can get to this stage without problems I think you have climbed the hill and just have one little obstacle left before exploring the astral plane. Good luck!

Of course, since this topic is already going off-topic (estimated time to flame war: 4 posts), I'll go and add that not all hallucinogenic drugs are addictive. Psilocybin (and its derivative, psilocin) is one such example, and its toxicity is so low that it is nigh impossible to die from an overdose (LD50 is 280 mg/kg, while the effective dose is about 0.02mg/kg: compare it with caffeine that has an LD50 of 150mg/kg and an effective dose that is about 10 times higher)... but then of course, some of the mushrooms that people eat because they contain the drug are pretty toxic because they also contain other substances, and with all hallucinogens there is a risk of a "bad trip" that can f*ck you up pretty good (drug-induced psychosis). So don't try this at home kids...

Note: I've never tried any drugs myself; all of the above information is collected from respected sources on the 'net (official toxicology studies from various universities).

Ooo, excerpts from "The Library" by "Swedish Infomania" - the standard Swedish underground chemistry reference since 1994

Normally, those sorts of texts aren't to be trusted - the people who write them seem to be trying to blow their hands off and/or overdose on strange stuff trying to get high, but that particular library has a much better scientific background than most (in fact all) "fun-but-mostly-illegal stuff you can do with simple household chemicals" that I've read. Included book sources, chemical structures and reaction paths for almost everything...

EEP!!! that entire message should be ingnored by everyone... just reading it may make you think
that there is somthing to using mind altering
drugs... BAD all bad, every drug is bad,
with the exception of course when they
are needed to prolong your life span.

so how about it... I REALLY WANNA ASTRALLY PROJECT!!!

I'm too lazy to check back, but thanks to
whoever suggested I wake two hours beforehand.
I knew that worked, but forgot it for some reason
(that was back when I only knew about lucid
dreaming) I think I'll try that the next
time I get a chance (about 8 tests this week : /)

X-G, what about the CIA using Remote Viewing in the 70's? Although it's possible to guess the location of a downed plane in Africa or what a never visited site in the Soviet Union looks like the odds must be small.

Even scientists are starting to explore the possibilities of other dimensions existing now that before people like you would scoff at.

I'm dumb!... or you could find out yourself that it's
real by reading the file I posted above...
it's not that hard, just doing it is a bit
tricky : P

Mage: Document is unaccessible. And even so, is it by any kind of authority? I stand skeptical to most "independent" observations or experiments.