Dennis.Get("HD capable Webcam"); // \o/ :)

Doodle thread! (Drawings and everything else is fine too! )

drawing practice 2013/07/07:
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process:

I haven't watched the how you did it video but I might.

I think it's definitely a drawing, not a doodle.

I think it's technically excellent but that's not why I think it's not a doodle.

There's a few things I could point out that might have been better but that feels cruel. The first I noticed though was that the white line on her nose looks like it should curve a little into the forehead.

It's a well drawn fit woman who looks like she wants to usurp Lara Croft as the number one woman of video games.

I'll print it out and pin on my wall to give it it's due.

/* EDIT */

I'll post a picture (a doodle or a drawing, I'll have to decide) when I've drawn one.

/* EDIT 3 */

I didn't decide but managed to draw something anyway. To all those devoted fans of mine who believe every I say, now you know I can do the impossible.

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Oh, I like the crazy-happy expression on his face... wonder why he's walking away from the fun world into the facts world though... or is the world of fact actually the one where nothing is true?

Also, thanks for the feedback. It's definitely not a doodle (so I made it a doodle/drawing thread). I agree about the nose and I should have paid more attention to the mouth and chin region too to capture her likeness (which I failed to capture).

I made a new rule for myself, which is to never post in a doodle thread without having something new to show. I would have responded earlier but could not because of that rule.

So I doodled a bunch of potato-heads.
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I've been working on this level for more than 2 months, yet not finished far from it

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Maggis. Drawn with the doodle tool of GoSMS on my Android phone.

What's going to be on the sign a little way past the shed?

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Drew it last night. Doesn't take long to get out of practice.

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From scratch, constructed quite randomly. Not happy with the result. Hopefully making doodle threads all over the web will pressure me into doing regular studies again.
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Everything about it is good (especially the hair), except the mouth and his left jaw.

Where are these threads please ? (just out of curiosity)

Don't the arrows tell you which worlds which ? (I thought he was in the right world).

Oh, I must have overlooked the arrows and assumed each sign was placed inside the world it refers to.

There is currently only this thread and one on the GameDevelopersRefuge... and I sometimes post my doodles in the anatomy or off-topic-creativity thread on Pixelation too.

This rule I made for myself to never post without a doodle has already lead to more doodles. \:)/

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Saving the thread I'll post a few doodles later

Thank you for the save!

I'll be gone for a couple of days, so I'll extend the time-limit-before-another-save-is-required a bit.

anatomy/gesture/figure drawing practice:
(NSFW warning: drawn nudity)

You're good at body drawing Dennis. Do you have a real model ? ;-p

I can't imagine a real live human holding those poses for any length of time.

@Gull: I wish. They're referenced from photos: http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

And yes, most of those artificial poses, you'll never see in real life but then again, most people in real life don't stay in any specific pose for too long either, except maybe when sitting or sleeping.

(NSFW warning)

EDIT/bump/saved?
(still NSFW (if your workplace is offended by abstract nude gesture attempts))

I've done a few new ones but I'm not over the moon about them.
there's something gloomy and undead about them.

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Those are good. I really like that flowing, wavy line style you've got.

(can't doodle myself atm, started with psycho-therapy yesterday, which is too exhausting)

Here's a sneak preview of a picture I'm working on :

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Nice image, William!

Yeah, I like the mood in that one. The night sky and the woods, I like walking in the woods.

doodles from ergo-therapy:
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They're good.

Can I borrow the one on the right to put in my picture above ?

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Good for a mouse job. Would like to see what you can do with a pen and a scanner !

I drew it with a Wacom tablet in old MS Paint.

Yeah ? I thought it looked a bit good for a mouse job.

I bought one of those tablets with a pen but I couldn't get used to it.

It seems unlikely that you'd be that good on a tablet without first learning with pencil and paper. Do you ever just use those ?

Yes you can. I suppose it's lose and different enough from the picture which I eyeballed/re-constructed it from to not violate any copyrights.

Take this clean scan though, the other one was a crappy cellphone picture:
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Drawn by my daughter - 4 years old.

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It's okay, Steve. We think you did a good job.

Thanks Dennis. That's kind of you. I'm intending to clear up some of the lines which should be hidden and then I can print out so I can paint it and then combine them with my program. Can barely wait.

I was pleased to find out how you did it because I was wondering (since I was thinking you might not want to let me use it so I'd have to write my own) but would have a forgotten to ask.

Thanks again.

BTW, lose means lose a game or something. Lose an object. Loose is the word I think you wanted. If there was much sense in the English language I'd be able to say why the loo is different from the lo

William still leads the thread with that happy guy in the dark and threatening surrounding. I searched a long time to find a favourite painting of mine (no, I don't own it, it's just my favourite), which I thought had the same feeling and mood. Here:

http://www.kajstenvall.com/1993/askel.html

The artist is a genius, have a look at his paintings here: http://www.kajstenvall.com/

@William: I started drawing with ordinary pencils, just like everyone, now I hardly ever use them, I find drawing tablets as an evolution, besides, I can save all my drawings in HD without using physical space, that's great

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aww yeah, nothing like a powerpuff!

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Poor man's bump.

Nice job BTW Dennis :-p

William: the one in colors with the running guy is awesome. That's your style.

I don't think I need to post this really but am doing so because it might be worthwhile and keep the thread interesting.

I've drawn a picture which is part of a story I'm trying to concieve.

This guys the main character. Obviously he's been stabbed. The trouble is he's supposed to be a good guy but I think he looks bad.

What do you guys think ? Does he look like he deserved to get stabbed or could it have been an injustice ?

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/* EDIT */

Sorry Gulladriel. I was writing my post when you posted.

/* EDIT 2 */

Hey, thanks for all the compliments guys. I'll give some feedback on everyone elses
later.

You have to work on his eyes, right now he doesn't look good or bad, but rather zombielike IMO.

Pencil doodle.
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Must catch sleep, will comment/reply later.

markers (doodled at home, inspired by SotA concept art):
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4B pencil on paper (drawings done in ergo-therapy):
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Dennis, something in that tower drawing reminds me of Marco Rota, one of my favourites among the Disney artists.

Paul, VERY nice sense of depth and perspective on those faces....that's neat.

Dennis, is that tower Markers-colored, or only the outlines are? I'm asking because seems more colored pencil (crayon? is that?) on my laptop.

Paul : I like the way you can draw faces from different angles. The top three side / front and back seem to be the same person while the guy with the tattoo and eye cover is someone else.

Nice to see you doing some pencil drawings.
There's definitely a different quality about the two types - pencil and tablet.

Dennis : Very impressed with the latest two.

The tower is great. I like the way it looks like it was drawn - ie without too much thought. Is it a watercolour ?

The trees are good. I think trees are very hard to draw well. It's often the only option to simplify the leaf areas in order to get the drawing done whereas the branches are easier.

Great stuff.

I wish I had found a better sample of Marco Rota's Donald Duck to place in your image:

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I should have scanned from some magazine and not just google. Especially when Rota has a lot of stories, where he has placed the ducks in a medieval environment.

You're welcome and thanks for the clarification on lose/loose.

Hm... to me the scene looks quiet, peaceful and comforting. I enjoy walking around in the woods at night.

I find drawing tablets really hard to use and I feel like I have much more control over the result using RL-pencils/paper. I wonder if it would be different for me with a Cintique where the hand/eye/monitor/cursor coordination is more direct, closer to drawing with a real pen/pencil/brush and the lines/blobs appearing directly under the pen-tip.

Give yourself some credit, your doodles have improved. That last one I think has more volume than your previous ones, looks much less 2D.

I think most of the time, you can not judge someones' alignment based on appearance. Maybe you could use some cheap symbolism, like putting a smiley button on his chest or placing a small table near him which has some books on it with titles like "Being A Good Guy", "Helping People" or place some other stuff (I really don't have any idea what though) in his room which suggests, he's a nice guy.
This really raises the question: What makes a good guy a good guy? Things?... probably not. Deeds? More likely but how to describe good deeds with objects? And what defines a good deed?

I've read many Donald Duck/Disney comics books when I was young. It was a series called "Disney's Lustiges Taschenbuch" over here. Each one featured a bunch of short stories in the Duck/Mickey Mouse universe. I liked the duck-universe stories the most, especially the ones with a medieval(or anything not-modern) setting. The Disney-ish visuals must have burned themselves into my mind back then but I don't know if any of them were drawn by him.

It's alcohol-based(not sure what that means or how that influences the shading qualities) markers (a box of 11 shades of gray (some cool, some warm) plus black) on cheap office inkjet paper. It really was drawn without much thought or planning. I'm not sure myself why that worked out as well as it did.

I've been struggling with drawing believable trees for a while now. I still don't think I'm quite there yet but I'm somewhat satisfied with how the left one turned out. I'm still surprised how I could draw both trees without ever reaching for the eraser to make any changes. Those trees were drawn from imagination and I intentionally did not try to render individual leafs(leaves?) and instead concentrated on arranging interesting clusters/shapes of dark/medium and light tones.

It kind of really does look like a suitable scene for Donald to walk around.

No doodle in this post.

I always wanted to ask. How do you get so good at drawing? I mean, sure practice makes perfect and all that but are there any tips you guys would give to a person who wants to start?

Great work by the way. You guys are awesome.

More faces
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Speaking for myself :

Childhood - copying things. Drawing mazes. Drawing objects (IIRC).

Teenage years : Drawing classes with a woman who lived down the road. Drawing using the imagination (which was filled with stuff from reading comics).

Late teens : (took a few drugs BTW). Drawing as a counterbalance to being a student.

Twenties : Two art courses. Hanging around with talented artists. Trying to be as good as them.
Continual drawing all through twenties.

Thirties : Done less but now set in my ways with a style I liked and try to develop.

IN SHORT : copying, then doing more original stuff. Practice, practice, practice. Life drawing. Lucky to have had the time too

/* EDIT : Maybe some of us could teach you. That would be good. I'd be willing to try and teach you. */

That was my first thought too. To me the eyes look empty, which combined with the dark shade of his hair gave me a "dark" or "evil" impression. It might help some if the top of his head were shaded too. This way I think it makes it look sort of "two-faced" (i.e., think Batman). It reminds me of an evil "jester" like character.

I tried improving him but he looks crap now. Never mind.

EDIT :

Here it is :

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tonights mood has been strange :

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@Vanneto: Practice. Grab a pencil, some paper and start drawing.

@Paul: Do you draw your (very 3D looking!) faces free-handed or do you construct them and erase the construction guides?

@William: He does not look crap, he looks dead.

another marker doodle:
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edit/bump/thread save:
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@Dennis
Loving the landscapes man! Your trees and forest and paths are all great. I have to admit there's something I like more about them than your figure drawings. Your figures seem distorted or exaggerated in a sense. They're good drawings technically, but they seem a little disfigured somehow. Still far better drawings of figures and people than I could ever do though.

Thanks Dennis.

I like your pictures. Prefer the top one as the bottom one looks to me like the world the scene belongs to is everywhere barren and lifeless whereas the top one looks like there might be a village or something over the horizon.

The fully cloud covered skies are a little bleak but it looks like it's winter.

Unfortunately I seem to be color-blind when it comes to Dennis' markers....are those grayish-green bushes or greenish-gray stones?

Anyway they look VERY fine, with a nice touch of cartoonish gradients.

@Dennis: I use a few primitives as constructions guides in order to get proportion and perspective right, but sometimes I just visualize these guides without drawing them at all.

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If anything PAul, you definitely should reconsider some of the scars....they look wAy too much sometimes.

I practised a bit on the website Dennis linked some times ago.

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Edit: Yes, Pauls drawing are nice but scars-ing ^^

Edit2: Nice two, Dennis !

A flying assassin. Hope to be able to play the allegro game with him in soon

<advanced warning>I've got one brewing.</warning>

Crappy smartphone save of @work artworks:
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And bumped for thread safety btw ;-p

Vector doodle

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Close up

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Wow. Could scale like mad !

Clearly I've been have fantasies about being in a dungeon :

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His eyes aren't dead.

Hers might be...

Well he seems to be waving a hand so that's consistent...I guess.

He's simply horrified that he's hanging next to zombie jeezuz.

William, I always thought the man in the first picture (the one who was stabbed) was a nice guy. Disregarding the empty eyes, he has an innocent expression on his face.

Your second picture of him looks more menacing, I think because his eyes aren't bright and his hair is dark. Dunno, maybe its just me.

Hey guys,

much thanks for the replies.

I feel deeply ashamed that I could have hung someone up in a dungeon who looks like he deserves it.

My plan was this - he's there hanging and his captor comes in and says to him, I'll let you out if you can tell me what each digit of the square root of 268617 is to 15 decimal places and then there's a sequence of pictures of him with thought clouds about his head with the details of the taylor approximation polyomial of degree 17 of f(x) = x^(1/2) centred on 268324 (which has a natural square root) and his thoughts whilst calculating p(268617).

Go figure!

...thanks though. All I can do to make it better is set a new bearing with my moral compass!

EDIT : Or maybe try and stop drinking and take up the psychotherapy my doctor keeps suggesting.

Maybe he has to catch a calculator with his feet to do all that

nice little gadget

http://www.gizmag.com/isketchnote-ipad-doodles/29111/

Love the vector doodle.

Nice idea.

You don't know him like I do though. He'd find the first way quicker being a bit of a geek.

More vector
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Nice!

I assume that's goku?

2nded:

He definitely is, I guess.

Very nice indeed.

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pop !

Yay, thread is still alive!

Thanks for all the kind replies and explanations and doodles!

Colored pencils on paper: (drawn in ergo therapy)

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Yes!

Very nice drawing Dennis. I fav'ed it over on DA.

Ahh, beautiful painting Dennis

Love those steady traits in the pencils, really good!

Yeah, nice drawing Dennis ! Why not try that on a copy of your black and white girl ? I mean, heh, colorize it !

Part of a tileset I'm currently working on.

Thanks a lot guys. Getting praised makes me feel good.

@GullRaDriel: Yes, maybe I'll draw/paint some humans in color someday. Colorizing existing pencil art does not work too well, the colors will all end up looking dirty.

yesterdays doodle in my sketchbook (drawn in a Bistro, going outside doing stuff I'm afraid of is part of the therapy):
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Is that for Agoraphobia or Social Anxiety Disorder?

It's meant to treat Social Phobia, which according to google is the same as SAD. I'm making good progress on it, un- & re- wiring bad self programmings of the mind.

I did a group therapy program for Social Phobia, in which we had to do the same sorts of exercises (going to stores, cafes etc.) as well as specific tasks to bring attention to ourselves in public (such as standing under a street sign and asking people going by how to get to that street), and it really did help a lot, especially when tied in with the cognitive therapy.

What really helped me get used to going to bars, cafes, etc. was getting a hospitality job. It allowed me to be in that environment, but still remain control of it. Ten years ago, I rarely ever left the house, and when I did it was only with somebody I knew well and trusted. Now I can pretty much go anywhere anytime and not have an issue.

I did a therapy (CBT) for social phobia (bad enough that I was scared to death of any person coming my way on the sidewalk) for a whole year in 2010, also combined with a group therapy. Both of them had me do lots of exercises. But I did it completely wrong somehow and so it was counterproductive.

For example to enter a cafe, I approached the entrace, panic mode kicked in and I turned back. Then I would circle the block once or twice and finally push myself to walk in, shivering and sweating. Then endure a horrible 15-30 minutes in there, staring at the table not daring to move my head. Then finally get out again, drive home and spend several hours recovering from the experience.

I managed to do that maybe 3 or 4 times a week - but my anxiety didn't change. If at all that year just increased my fear of cafes. I still remember how glad I was when I finally stopped the therapies (having wasted lots of money) and could just stay at home and not leave the house for weeks again until running out of food

I'm sorry to hear both that it didn't work for you and that you had to pay for it. I guess I was very lucky in that the Christchurch Anxiety Disorders Unit was considered to be one of the best in the world and was also completely free.

It sounds like you experience a great deal of negative reinforcement, which as you said, is very counterproductive. Was nobody monitoring your progress, or were you just not reporting accurately? Your therapist should have, given the correct information, recognized that you didn't have sufficient systems in place to get you through the exposure exercises.

Allowing people who aren't ready to enter social situations do so on their own is completely negligent. It should be a graduated process where each step is monitored so that the next stage doesn't commence until you are ready for it.

I hope you won't let the experience you had stop you from pursuing further treatment. A solid CBT regimen coupled with a well regulated exposure plan really can work.

If by SAD you mean Seasonal Affective Disorder they are most definitely not the same thing.

SAD is depression mainly triggered or made worse by winter.

Yeah. I totally agree. I took a CBT course a local place was providing. It did help, but it was pretty short, and run kinda haphazardly. They just went through the booklet and let us tell stories of progress and whatnot.

My current road block is a lack of time, and so far, no doctor has referred me back to a long term psychologist. I had some free sessions at a gov't program that only gives you like 6, and then some courses like CBT...

Gah.

I'm still amazed at how BADLY social disorders are treated nowadays, even globaly.

There are many places that don't even think mental illness is a thing. All you get is a "Buck up!" or "BE A MAN!" type of thing.

SAD as in Social Anxiety Disorder. It's what the DSM is calling Social Phobia since DSM-V.

I see. Sucks that people have been using SAD for something else for a while. Figure they couldn't have picked something else...

Yeah, SAD is referred to as Seasonal Attitude Disorder disorder here. For the depression caused by a lack of sunlight.

Well, my counselor just didn't know what else she could tell me I guess. I just made zero progress. After a while she started being visibly bored by the sessions... but I was way to scared of asking to quit or not showing up anymore, so dragged on for a whole year :p

Oh, I accidentally cured myself earlier this year in some unconventional way. But it's really nice being able to experience the world like everyone else now, even if I had to turn 35 first :/

Think of it this way. They do think of it as mental illness, but they just have a very straight forward way of dealing with it. Not that the way would be very helpful in most cases.

I really don't think that's the case. They think you're being lazy and just need to be less lazy. Many people can't comprehend mental illness.

It hasn't been that long since the only thing you could do with a mentally ill person was to throw them in an asylum out of sight. What we have now is some improvement.

This province's old school asylum is located near my neighborhood. It really does look like an asylum. It's creepy. They don't use that building for much of anything afaik, they have newer less scary, and more useful buildings for actual treatment.

Are there people in it?

Speaking of asylums :
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Lobotomy anyone?
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I was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2009 for anyone who is curious.

We seem to have quite the lot of nutjobs round here, don't we?

I find the therapy very helpful so far and I'm very glad I started with it. I would advise anyone against trying it at home without professional monitoring and guidance though for there is a lot more to it than just mindlessly throwing yourself into stuff.

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That cake looks tasty. But you'll get fat.

Dennis is getting prolific.

As far as I know, no. It's a really old building and wasn't made for treating people, its all tiny little "rooms" that are really just jail cells. you're more likely to get crazier in a place like that.

Glad to hear it

Quick doodle I drew today.

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Nice. I like that.

Looks cool, but why does the thing left of the middle look like a middle finger?

Because that is what your mind wants to see.

So what is that thing on the right?

A birch stump.

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SCR.

Nice one Elias :-)

Two Flawed Storks - pencils on paper

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Very, very nice drawing Dennis.

That is damn fine work, Dennis. And I cannot spot the flaws.

They're not carrying swaddled babies in their beaks.

@Elias: Nice!

@Dennis: I also cannot spot any flaws. I also like the coloured "Path, Rocks And Trees" pic.

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Now it is a real piece of art Johan.

To those who can not see the flaws. The title is based on the story "Two Bad Bricks" by Ajahn Brahm. My ergo-therapist brought my awareness towards that story after she saw how much I was struggling with myself, rejecting my work(character, life, the universe and everything) by concentrating only on the flaws rather than trying to see all of which is good about it.