GTA goes live. Absolute realism from Russia.
type568

video

bamccaig

Holy fucking fuck. ;D I guess now we know why Niko came to America so street wise... :-X

type568

I've no idea who Niko is :[

bamccaig

video

gnolam
Quote:

GTA goes live. Absolute realism from Russia.

The graphics are great, but the gameplay looks like it sucks.

type568 said:

I've no idea who Niko is :[

video

bamccaig
gnolam said:

The graphics are great, but the gameplay looks like it sucks.

The gameplay is actually really good. The video that I posted is based entirely on FMV sequences and I think the dialog is mixed and matched. The game is awesome, but only if you like sandbox games like that.

ImLeftFooted

I liked the riot aspect -- the people around you getting mad about you stealing their cars? That's an interesting feature.

bamccaig

I liked the riot aspect -- the people around you getting mad about you stealing their cars? That's an interesting feature.

I don't really know what you're talking about. :P The actual driver of a car has always had a chance of getting aggressive when you steal a car in GTA. I haven't really experienced riots. One or two bystanders will occasionally step in when you assault somebody though. There's also the possibility of interfering with an actual gang, in which case all nearby gang members usually join in trying to kill you. That too isn't a new feature and has been around pretty much since the original.

Mark Oates

I like how the cuss words are censored... but the violence? yea that's fine.

type568

@mabmab

Got it who's Niko, but no clue why would a Russian guy have a not-Russian name. Regarding the gang members trying to kill you- well, that feature is clearly implemented in the above vid as well ;)

@molang
No idea what's your piano about :[

Append:

I like how the cuss words are censored... but the violence? yea that's fine.

Russian language is different from English, these words are considered a lot harsher than f words in the U.S, practically English is considered a "swearing free" langauge by Russians, as there's no even appropriate word to translate the category of swearing in Russian. There are several degrees, while "damn" & "shit" maybe fine(although of course aren't "nice words") I'd consider'em to same degree as the word "fuck" in English, where there are others which are a level worse.

Append1:
This one is probably from some news channel, where any level of violance and whatever can take place(in certain cases there maybe a warning to pull kids away and/or not to watch for people with various issues seeing harsh things), but there's set of words that must not sound, perhaps there are even civil laws enforcing it.

Append2:
Wow, cool, I thought there gotta be an article to describe it.. Not like it gives an in-depth understanding of the phenomena, but oh well ;D

Mark Oates
Wikipedia said:

use of mat in public constitutes a form of disorderly conduct, punishable under article 20.1.1 of the Offences Code of Russia

Yikes!

Heh, most of those words are sexual in context.

I still think the whole thing is silly. Far worse "things" can be said with other words than the weight you get from a simple cuss word. It's just out of balance.

type568

Everyone has the right to have his own opinion, but your literally out of information.. Lacking just a language and a culture familiarity ;)

And well.. Freedom of speech, is one thing while the forms of the speech are another.

Mark Oates
type568 said:

but your literally out of information.. Lacking just a language

you're. ;)

But no, I do agree with your point.

type568

lol.. 're indeed ;D

Append1:
I've never heard any punishments being given for it(unless it's in school or something).. It's more like.. I don't know how to explain..

Perhaps this woud reflect large chunk of state of things:
If you're offending someone, you're most likely being very emotional. The мат allows the "top" emotionality, while if not used it means you're actually remaining in control, and hence you're nothing to be punished for :P

I'm confused :[

Chris Katko

Another angle of the accident:

video

type568

@Oktak I can hardly believe a modern game can have such a terrible graphic. Back in 2003.

Kibiz0r

Russia is one hell of a drug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ECMTNcewI

Anyone care to explain what happened in that video, that justified a mob, and what seemed to be the police, going all caveman on that guy?

type568

I didn't see the police.. And no idea what the heck, nor did I get what took the police to get're so slowly(not getting there actually).

Kibiz0r

Who are the baton-carrying guys with vests and hats and such if not police?

type568

What vid are you talking about, and what time are you referring to in it?

axilmar

Niko was Serbian, actually.

Vanneto
type568 said:

Got it who's Niko, but no clue why would a Russian guy have a not-Russian name.

Its never stated in the game if hes russian. People just assume he is. Like they assume so many things.

type568
Vanneto said:

Its never stated in the game if hes russian. People just assume he is. Like they assume so many things.

It's absolutely clearly Russian accent. At least so it very boldly seems, and among those "recognizable accents", e.g. French, British, this one is sure Russian..

Append: Oh well, Serbian.. Let it be then :s

jhuuskon
Vanneto said:

Its never stated in the game if hes russian. People just assume he is. Like they assume so many things.

Apparently he speaks serbian, not russian and is only hinted of being from the somewhere in the Balkans. Also his name looks like a serbian one. (Have you ever heard of a russian last name ending in a C or a serbian name not ending in a C? I haven't.)

And yes, it is a big deal. In real life, if you confuse a serb with a russian or the other way around, the russian will only beat you up and break some of your bones[1], but the serb will kill you.

References

  1. give him a bottle of Moskovskaya and he'll do that even if you didn't insult him
type568
jhuuskon said:

give him a bottle of Moskovskaya and he'll do that even if you didn't insult him

Then give him another one, and he'll hug you and fell asleep.

Vanneto
jhuuskon said:

And yes, it is a big deal. In real life, if you confuse a serb with a russian or the other way around, the russian will only beat you up and break some of your bones[1], but the serb will kill you.

Where did this information come from?

type568

From the game with Niko I suppose..

jhuuskon
Vanneto said:

Where did this information come from?

From the same pool of misinformed racial characteristics as type568's "definitely russian accent" statement.

bamccaig

Another angle of the accident...

THAT is fucking awesome. I wish somebody would make such a mod... That would be sweet. Finally, a mario bros. game for the people that grew up with them (and are now adults). :P

Kibiz0r said:

Anyone care to explain what happened in that video, that justified a mob, and what seemed to be the police, going all caveman on that guy?

The guy was exposing man parts. That's reason enough. On top of that, he was damaging property and attacking people repeatedly. He deserved to get his ass kicked and was obviously asking for it. I'm surprised he got such small beating actually...

Kibiz0r
type568 said:

What vid are you talking about

The one the thread is about...

Cop beats the shit out of dude who apparently got in an accident, drags him out of the car, then doesn't give a fuck when he gets back in the car. Guy backs up like a madman and wrecks two parked vehicles, then runs forward into the pileup again, like he just wants to gtfo. Guy gets out of car, mob surrounds him, cops are like "whatev". People start swinging, guy fights back and appears to be drunk or totally messed up from the accident, everyone kicks the shit out of him as they drive his face into the pavement and the cops arrest him. Everyone casually walks away as he twitches on the ground, handcuffed. I'm wondering what the hell precipitated all that. Nobody's actions made any sense at all except for the guy trying to gtfo, but since he's apparently the bad guy, I have no idea what to make of it.

gnolam

It's so cute that bam-bam doesn't understand that everyone is commenting the OP's video as if it was GTA! :D

type568

OP

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia said:

Op art

or Optical art

???

Append:
@rozikib
Well, that's nonsense.. That's why there's a thread about it.

Mark Oates

Original Post

type568

Thanks.. However..
"XXX's" stands for "XXX is", while "XXXs" means something belongs to XXX, am I correct?

bamccaig
gnolam said:

It's so cute that bam-bam doesn't understand that everyone is commenting the OP's video as if it was GTA! :D

Ummm, my very first post was a GTA reference. Hi?

Kibiz0r said:

Russia is one hell of a drug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ECMTNcewI

Anyone care to explain what happened in that video, that justified a mob, and what seemed to be the police, going all caveman on that guy?

He posts a video, then expresses a concern about a video, and I'm supposed to piece together that he's talking about the original video? In any case, it was hard to keep track of what happened in the original, but it seemed like one of the guys went similarly apeshit crazy. Once again, destroying property, assaulting people. Kick his ass until he's sorry he woke up that day. >:(

The video has been taken down, but I remember one of the guys jumping in his smashed up SUV, driving carelessly back into parked cars, etc. Assuming the law and insurance work similarly in [insert country of origin here] (Russia?) he should have been waiting for police. So sure, if he tries to flee the scene, perhaps evaluates that he has nothing to lose and wants to short out on the deal, PULL HIM OUT OF THAT FUCKER AND PUT A TIRE IRON TO HIS FOREHEAD. I mean, if you want. :-/ Again, the OP's video has been removed, and I don't remember it in detail (I may or may not be mildly or significantly intoxicated).

There's also the possibility that he was the victim (unprotected by the government), in which case I bet to sure fuck he wished he had a gun to just pop every motherfucker looking at him wrong and drive off into the sunset.

(OK, closer to significant than mild, but meh).

type568
bamccaig said:

He posts a video, then expresses a concern about a video, and I'm supposed to piece together that he's talking about the original video? In any case, it was hard to keep track of what happened in the original

Confused me too tbh, I thought he saw police on the video he posted.

Append:
OMFG, crap.. My tools to grab youtube videos no longer work, so I can't upload it :[

Mark Oates
type568 said:

"XXX's" stands for "XXX is", while "XXXs" means something belongs to XXX, am I correct?

You could be wrong or right depending on what XXX is. There is no apostrophe in possessive pronouns and that usually trips people up.

With regular nouns, you use the apostrophe:

Mike's home.
The bottle's cap.

With possessive pronouns, there is no apostrophe:

his = a thing that belongs to him.
His big house.

its = a thing that belongs to it.
Its handle is big.
wrong: It's handle is big. (means "it is handle is big.") <- a very common mistake.

The other case is where an apostrophe is used as a contraction...
it is over there = it's over there.
there is an answer = there's an answer.
you are a great guy = you're a great guy.

...not to be confused with the possessive pronoun
your home = the home that belongs to you.
you're home = you are home.

type568

I see.. I think I only had confusion with "its", and "Mike's"..
If all the following are correct, thanks a lot and I understood you:

This is the cat's food plate.
This is hers food plate.

"your you're"- I know just fine, more like matter of typo(with right click correction suggestion by chrome afterwards) or not reading what I wrote, if I make this error..

And..
Well, the rest is obvious actually. Thanks. I'd love correction if there's any single mistake in the current post.

BAF
type568 said:

This is hers food plate.

Her is already possessive. It should be "this is her food plate."

type568

facepalm

Then when do I use "hers"? :|

BAF

I've never heard 'hers' used before, so I'm not sure if it's proper english or not. A quick google search brings it up on wikitionary.

type568

The word is a proper English word, although I'm not sure I really encountered it before, but..

Concise Oxford English Dictionary said:

hers
■ possessive pronoun used to refer to a thing or things belonging to or associated with a female person or animal previously mentioned.

There is no need for an apostrophe: the spelling should be hers not her's.

Awesome.. Wikipedia doesn't have an example as well. :-/

BAF

Oh, I'm dumb. This is obviously proper English and I have heard it used so many times that it didn't even occur to me.

Consider this example: "The kite is hers." Or: "The food plate is hers."

type568

Alright, but I'm still not sure why is:
"This is hers food plate." wrong :[

Append:
>Her is already possessive. It should be "this is her food plate."

Well, yes.. Hers is possessive.. There's nothing else indicating possession her, or I'm totally confused.

bamccaig
type568 said:

Alright, but I'm still not sure why is:
"This is hers food plate." wrong :[

Neither are the native English speakers. :P We just know it is from experience. In my experience, English was taught horribly wrongly in school to us native speakers. They never really provided any structure to it. It was just randomly "X is Y" with no explanation. There was no way for me to even identify what "X" or "Y" was because it was just some magic new word that they'd tell us. It is a horrible way to teach a language.

type568

???

Mark Oates

The confusion you're having is between 2 different forms of possessive pronouns: subjective and objective.

Take the case of "This is her food plate." and "The food plate is hers."

In the first case, "her" is the important word in the sentence fragment "her food plate" and thus it takes the subjective form. (side note: "Her" is not the subject in this example sentence, though. The subject is "This.")

In the second case, the "plate" is the subject of the sentence and so the pronoun for "her" is less important, and turned into the objective form "hers". "hers" is an object in reference to the plate.

Here's a little graph I found: http://kestrelsaerie.com/2010/01/passive-possessivemdashpronouns-pros/

Pronouns are weird. ;)

edit: it's easier to think of subjective as "active", and objective as "passive."

edit2: "The food plate is her." is just funny. Meaning "She is the food plate." :P

type568

Sigh.. Perhaps I should just use the grammar I know, and not to look around trying to correct the others.. It will also be sad if I forget what I learned, as if I haven't it'll be a lot of others and mine time wasted(*)..

*- Is all correct this time? :P

However.. Thanks a lot.

Mark Oates
type568 said:

Perhaps I should just use the grammar I know, and not to look around trying to correct the others.. It will also be sad if I forget what I learned, as if I haven't it'll be a lot of others and my time wasted(*)..

(just that one mistake)

Yea, I've never had a problem understanding what you've written. I really wouldn't worry about it. :)

type568

But I'm used to think I know English well. And that one mistake is actually a prove I didn't understand the topic. :-/
I'll return to it.. If I'll do. -.-

m c
type568 said:

But I'm used to think I know English well.

Sounds weird, should probably either be:

But I'm used to thinking that I know English well. As in you have gotten used to always thinking that you know English well.

But I used to think that I knew English well. As in you previously thought that you knew English well (but is implied that is no longer the case via the assumption that the statement is relevant).

Vanneto
type568 said:

And that one mistake is actually a prove I didn't understand the topic.

Sounds weird, should probably be:

And that one mistake is actually proof that I didn't understand the topic.

type568

I've an idea.. Let's all learn Russian. :P

m c

Tell me how to swear in Russian then.

Oscar Giner

I think it's easier to just compare to my and mine. So her is like my, and hers is like mine:

my/her house.
this house is mine/hers.

In Spanish my/her (mi/su) aren't pronouns, but possessive adjectives (or possessive determinants). I didn't know they were considered pronouns in English.

type568

I didn't know what a pronoun is :-/

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What kind of swearing are you interested in? How sever degrees of "bad" in the swearing do you want?:P

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