So the fine people at Google finally admit they have their own browser. Just what the world needs: another cobbled together Google project released in Beta only to be neglected a few years later.

Yay, Google.

Since I can't see them writing their own html renderer, its likely just a customized mozilla, so who gives a crap

Wow.

Well, IMO it would be hard to beat the latest Firefox, but Google generally does things well.

It uses WebKit, but your point still is valid. Google doesn't write much of their own stuff, they just borrow or buy and later on forget it all.

And sorry, but most of Google's products are crap. The good ones are Search, E-Mail, and Maps, and a few that they just bought out and did nothing with. Hardly any of their products actually work together, and the majority of them are silently left to rot away.

I find this interesting... but do we really need another web browser?

Google needs to build a browser based web browser, then they're web based desktop would be a REAL threat to Microsoft....

So...you have to run a Google web app to use their web browser? How is that different from a web proxy? (Yes, I know it's a joke.)

Of course not. This might chip away a bit from IE, which is good, but I doubt it will be very successful at that. Instead, it will be Google's test bed for pushing their search engine, new ideas, and non-standard concepts down people's throats.

Probably the only good that will come out of it will be patches for WebKit and (supposedly) a much faster open source JavaScript engine. But of course neither of those require a new browser.

That's kind of a scary logo:

it's like hal meets simon says.

I like the motivation google gives for this new browser

Uh hu. I guess some people use gmail but who edits a document in a browser?

soon everyone will... Dave.

There are lots of reasons for "editing a document" in a web browser; including blogs, forums posts, online website design, and google docs.

I think the point is the internet is becoming less passive and more active, therefore browser stability is becoming more important than it was before.

And I know ML is cynical, but why so much so towards Google? Did they shit in your cornflakes or something?

Is it possible that Chrome is to Android as Safari is to the iPhone, i.e. they needed a version of the mobile browser that people with 95% of computers could use so that they can test web content?

EDIT: wait, they've introduced it with a comic strip? Then if you're not a fat, basement-dwelling American with every episode of Buffy on both VHS and DVD then you're probably not the target audience.

I'm quite optimist, it might actually be worth to try, there are some feature that seem very nice.

I haven't bothered reading the comic yet but I'm looking forward to a browser that runs each tab in a separate process, for the extra stability and perhaps security - I don't know how hard it is to leak information between different pages through Javascript in a single process, but it surely would be harder with multiple processes. And we'd automatically (almost) get better concurrency so that something executing in one tab won't block the tab that I'm actually looking at (not that you need multiple processes for that).

Possibly because you're not a child? I haven't read it, but I figure it goes like this:

• old style browser is at home

• the Bash Street Kids come round and they accidentally break a window

• Dennis's father give them all a whack with the slipper

• Next week: a free kazoo with every issue!

I'm just saying it as I see it.

Maybe Google will blow the world away with Chrome, but about the only application I've seen them build in house is Google Talk—and they cannot even port that tiny little program to OS X or Linux.

Originally I read Matthew's cynicism and just didn't even bother checking it out. Today a colleague posted a link to the comic at work so I took a look. It sounds awesome! I'm glad Google is doing this. They have a lot of really smart people at Google. A lot of their ideas sound really good. I've been conceptualizing a new browser and Chrome seems to address a lot of the issues that I wanted to. I'm sick of FireFox climbing to 700MB unnecessarily. I'm excited that Google Chrome is open source too. That should help a lot. I'm excited for a beta.

Why is the comic so long? I got to page 20 and got bored of going ahead to see how long it was.

I'm on 23 and I'm excited to go on.

I like how, if the security of Chrome is as the comic says, plugins are the only real issue with it. So an issue with Flash that can infect you with a virus can still affect you with Chrome. I only use Flash because it's the most popular plugin that I know of. (The page where you see a plugin breaking a windows is funny though)

Anybody can write a comic book. Whitepapers are always more impressive than the products they describe.

What have they got? They've moved the title bar into the tabs, implemented the tabs as separate threads, taken speed dial from Opera and aped Safari's tab management. Anything else?

I'm all for progressive improvements, I'm not all for drawing a cartoon to try to make them sound impressive.

They are using a brand new JavaScript engine (V8) that is supposed to be faster. It sounds like they hired some outsiders to develop it as open source.

WebKit already had a much faster but not yet used in a shipping browser JavaScript engine, it's apparently been in the Safari 4 nightlies. I wonder if it's the same one...

EDIT: Actually it looks like Chrome will be a world-changing browser. In that:

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It'll merge Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany and Holland.

EDIT2: I mean, for crying out loud, the character is even meant to be pointing at Denmark.

What about Benmark?

That's not on the map either!

AFAIK, the V8 JavaScript engine (i.e. virtual machine) was developed by a team in Denmark which I assume is part of Google. Google should own the engine, but I think is open sourcing everything related to Google Chrome (including the JavaScript engine). Apparently V8 interprets the JavaScript and turns it into machine code for optimal performance. They're also keeping better track of pointers, apparently, so garbage collection is supposed to be much more precise. I'm excited to try the beta, which I guess is supposed to be released today (though the original release date was seemingly set for tomorrow).

What about Aurora.... that new Mozilla thing announced a while back?

That video is worse than the comic.

I never actually watched it, I just remember seeing that hyped just as much as Chrome is being hyped now.

Yeah, I'm pretty cynical about Google Chrome as well. V8 looks cool, but it remains to be seen whether or not they should have just helped out on Tamarin.

It seems to me that browsers have the potential to become the next layer on the OS

kernel
OS
browser
applications

essentially it'll be like finder or explorer, integrated to the web.

Only idiots would put their files/programs/anything on the web. But I guess thats not such a bad idea, as we have established long ago that the world consists out of 90% idiots.

The Chrome beta is released for Windows!!! (Google Chrome)

Slow. I installed it minutes ago.

Yeah, it's pretty fast. Has the same rendering bugs as Safari.

Definitely not BAF proof as the tabs turn very small.

It is on the front page of newspapers today down here. Personally I am pretty happy with F3 regardless of a few issues and random crashes, and don't plan on changing to another unless there is really a huge difference (like when I switched from Netscape to Internet Explorer, or from IE to Firefox). It is just a way to get themselves some market share (like what they did with Netcraft, where they got their services to be recognized as their own web server instead of being counted as Apache (and chipping away like 5% from Apache market share).

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Hah, I've been getting better on that. I only have maybe 10 tabs open at the moment.

/me runs off to download Chrome and play around with it.

Hmm, somebody try fork bombing the system by creating lots of popups that create new popups.

My initial thought is that it's what Safari for Windows should have been: same renderer, but with a native Windows look (including fonts).

The winner here? Safari. People who would never check it out will make sure their pages run on Google Chrome. Now they'll accidentally support Safari too.

Just saw your signature, CGP, did you go to PAX?

/first-post-from-google-chrome
You can certainly see that it's still an early beta release. It's missing a lot of convenient UI stuff and there isn't a whole lot of configuration options. Still, I really like the ideas Google has presented. I expect that in time it can catch up to and surpass Firefox.

/offtopic

I'm still not sure what that was, but saw X-Play (I think) coverage of it before the weekend. Indie developers were being recognized. Coolness.

Does Chrome support Firefox extensions? Firefox settings import? Firefox anything?

Imports FF settings, but that's it.

Oooh, the tabs are so smooth when dragged!

Dear Google, if you're going to highlight the domain, don't include the subdomain. That is something IE8 does better (Can't remember if that was in Beta 1 or not).

I'm not liking the new tab page.

I do like the built-in Firebug like window however. Maybe this will give me a reason to uninstall Safari? Meh, I don't have a Mac, so I'll keep it for the Mac rendering style (fonts and buttons).

[edit] My mind skipped the sub in subdomain.

I don't really like the lack of a static status bar. The replacement is a little too slow to appear.

A bit scary that you can see the memory sizes of your other browsers within Chrome...

Not sure if the javascript engine being fast is really true or not (or if it's the test case being slow to display changes to the screen) as I loaded up Google Maps and just double clicked on a certain location until the city dots disappeared in all five browsers have I on my machine. Chrome wasn't smooth. Anyone know of a nice JS page to test on that doesn't require a login?

[edit] Found this site and here are some test results:
Firefox 3.0.1: 673 ms
Chrome: 587 ms
IE7: 1563 ms
Safari: 312 ms (Date object 0... I think that broke it slightly)
Opera: 319 ms

With that test, Safari is the fastest, but when you consider it may have skipped a section of the test, then Opera is the fastest.

It appears to fail both Acid2 and Acid3 tests. I'm not sure if that should surprise anyone though.

I don't see why that should be scary... It makes sense that you can poll the operating system for that information. Or even make use of existing tools and pull the text results from their output. It's not like Chrome is gaining unwarranted access to other browsers' memory space.

I don't like that it doesn't use the native look for Windows. It's just a "skin" type thing that looks like Vista. It doesn't really fit in XP... nitpicky, but I'm kind of OCD like that.

I haven't seen any issues with the rendering, but as I understand it, WebKit is good stuff.

It doesn't seem very new and exciting to me... just more of the same with a weird-ass interface.

It surprises me, as Acid2 has worked in Safari for ages. I'd find out what score it gets on Acid3 for comparison, but the site isn't responding.

I gotta say, I kinda like it. I will keep an eye on the further development.

I haven't used Safari (and hate Apple for pushing it in their updater) so I wasn't sure whether or not Safari was passing or not... Chrome is close to passing, I guess, but the eyes are somehow wrong.

Yeah, I had trouble getting it to respond as well. IIRC, it scored around 74-76/100.

It passes Acid 2. You may need to wait for it to load or refresh.

I like the look a lot on Vista. If it doesn't fit with XP, then that's not good. I hate when applications are like that. I like that there is no menu bar or status bar—I don't use them on a web browser. It's very similar to how I have Firefox configured.

But without extensions, it just won't compare to FF. I'd rather have a slightly slower web browser that I have more control over.

That is assuming they continue to develop it. I wouldn't expect much more than keeping the renderer up to date.

Can you get rid of the menu bar in Firefox?

With extensions, yes. I don't though (unless on a mini-laptop) because I put the address bar on the same line as the menu bar and get rid of all of the buttons.

Yeah, if you start a thread or PM me I'll even share pics (I didn't take many or any good ones though).

I've just downloaded the V8 engine, because that's the only thing I care about. It's packaged much more sanely than SpiderMonkey, but it looks like it does some crazy black magic stack tracing, and you can't use it with new, you have to use stack allocation.

To clarify, V8 was done by the Denmark division of Google; the comic clarifies that.

Hmm. that's not too shabby actually.

I don't like the scrolling, it seems to be more sensitive than other apps to the scroll wheel. Otherwise its okay, nothing spectacular. I think the URL bar is kinda bizarre with the highlighting.

It doesn't surprise me, and I don't give a shit about ACID anyway. It is useless as far as I'm concerned.

It doesn't really fit in Vista either... it's just kind of like Opera or a bad Firefox skin.

I added some benchmark results to my last post, in case someone missed it.

Somehow I found an IP listing for SunSpider Javascript Benchmark (the domain is not working for me for some reason) and while I wait on IE7 to run it's tests, I'll post the results I got for the other four:

Firefox (3.0.1): 4449.8ms +/- 1.0% link
Chrome (0.2.149.27): 2190.8ms +/- 2.2% link
Safari (3.1.2): 5325.4ms +/- 0.4% link
Opera (9.52): 6111.4ms +/- 1.2% link
IE7 (XP SP3): Too slow, and I started too late in the day. I thought 45 minutes would be enough time to run the damn tests...

[edit] Added version numbers for historical reasons.

Chrome is missing the smooth scaling of the entire website that Firefox 3 has. There are many sites (e.g., Facebook) that I cannot browse at the regular size. Just increasing the font size doesn't work very well.

It sure feels light. I thought I'd have to install Flash player, did they do that automatically?

I've come to really appreciate that feature.

edit: Oh, crap! there's no middle mouse click scroll. Fuck this I'm going back to Firefox.

No mouse wheel support? Ugh! I am guessing it uses Firefox's Flash player.

There's mouse wheel support. It's the click middle button and move the mouse that's not support.

BTW, it seems the flash installer prefers Opera over Firefox on my computer for some reason... I wish I knew why that was.

List of passing browsers..

Chrome crashed for me when I tried closing a tab that had a running video. And shows up as Safari 525.13 according to A.cc.

That's too funny. They spend all that time talking about how it can't crash, then it doesn't work. I wonder if, when the main controller process crashes, if it leaves the rest of the processes running. That would be a bitch of a memory leak for the average user.

yea, seriously.

"Our program needs to not crash"
"ok, lets just... do that"

Chrome seems to be quite geek oriented.
A couple quotes from the program:
"Statistics for Nerds"
"Incognito mode protects you from blah blah, but you still have to worry about blah, blah, secret service agents and people behind you"

They launched it with a cartoon; it's American geek oriented. As far as I'm aware, nowhere else in the world do adults buy comic strips.

Just because you call them graphic novels doesn't mean they're not comics.

EDIT: Removed.

EDIT: top section removed

EDIT: to avoid unneccesary offence, I mean to make no inference about America from the correlation between living in it and potentially being a part of the subgroup of "adults willing to buy comics". If anything, take it as a complement that America has such a diverse range of subcultures. My point is that I don't think Google are aiming anywhere near the mainstream right now. I'll wager they're hoping to get a core of nerd early adopters to push the browser, once more stable, to the various people for whom they end up doing free computer maintenance. But they've made a cultural misstep by using a form of presentation that even nerds tend to leave behind in most international jurisdictions; it looks even worse when they're namechecking other countries apprently without even really being sure where they are other than "somewhere in Europe, beyond France".

Haven't had the time to try the browser, and I doubt I will be using it anyways.
The reason is no adblock. Sure it is still a beta, but why would Google add something they don't like about Firefox? Adblock screws their "we-track-everything-you-do" plans

Found on the Internets:
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I get the same error under Firefox...

Only tried it for a minute, but it ain't going to work without extensions as somebody said above, especially adblock.

One thing I did notice though, is it isn't offering to save passwords. Well, I only tried allegro.cc

I really like the auto completion. First time I launched Chrome I typed allegro.cc, and Chrome suggested both allegro.cc and allegro.cc/forums/recent. It kind of felt like Chrome read my mind, as I was headed for allegro.cc/forums/recent.

<insert allegro 5 joke>

That's the way SSL works... Each IP address can use one SSL certificate. If multiple domains point to the same IP, only the one on the SSL certificate is valid.

It does, but it's possible it remembered settings from Firefox.

It have imported all your Firefox settings, that's told during the installation, but as big nerds you are, you gone past the installer as quick as a geek can X-D

Nope, as it wouldn't have asked me to log in on both occasions.

Another way to crash Chrome, type the following into the address bar:

:%

Chrome doesn't know what Opera is to import settings, doesn't have a user-set speed dial or mouse gestures, fails completely to recognise the '/' key as a shortcut for search and gives google pretty much free reign to do anything with any information you view or submit using it.

http://koitsu.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/google-chrome-eek/
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=951707&cid=24858165

No biggie, as any good Republican would say, if you don't have anything to worry about, you should not care about that.

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Just don't do any work in it.
http://tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Post_Not_Made_In_Chrome_Google_s_EULA_Sucks

Maybe somebody should post that link again.

http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html

It is the same with Gmail, if I recall correctly. And AngelChild, I would continue but my boss doesn't like me searching for images

Does it have to be somebody else or can I do it again?

The javascript is smoother allright (okay, it's blazing fast on sites where Opera on the same computer occasionally makes Windows think it's hung), but in every other aspect it is inferior to Opera.

I've found a way to crash firefox, or at least cause it to freeze for a few minutes. Whether it's a bug I don't know.

Basically sometimes I enter a word in the addressbar instead of the search for google and firefox either hangs completely forcing a restart or freezes for minutes on end. Presumably trying to search for the domain. Either way, it shouldn't do this.

What version of Firefox are you running. I've got 2.0.0.16 and that method of search works just fine. Well, sometimes when I type words like 'word' it'll go to an actual website instead of the Google search for said word. Also, I don't even have a Google search bar on mine.

EDIT-- Another quark that I'm not too fond of. If you grab the scrollbar and drag your mouse to the top of the screen, putting it in the toolbar where the close, etc, buttons are, it resets the position of the scrollbar.

Microsoft claims Google is monopoly

I'd imagine that one of the most troubling things about Chrome is that it exhibits a carpet bombing bug that exploits the connection between WebKit and Java, first discovered in the Windows version of Safari but fixed by Apple (with fixes contributed back into the open WebKit sourcetree) back in June. The bug can lead to malicious code execution.

So, Chrome is actually less secure than other public browsers pushed by large corporations from the same open source roots, and Google are taking more than two months to incorporate security fixes even before the thing is out in the public arena.

Is this really the way to win a nerd audience?

I'm sure they have their reasons... To be honest, the whole idea of crashable tabs is laughable. Just make sure scripts and plugins don't crash the browser. It can't be that hard when you're a global mega corp

Why do we need another browser? what is it with existing browsers that this new browser does have over them?

I don't think we do, and I don't think I like Chrome (although I'm much more positive about it now that Google don't claim to own anything you type into it), but surely we can at least say that one more sizeable company trying to pull users away from Internet Explorer is good for open standards and good for the web, at least for now?

If google can manage to steal away a bunch of enterprise clients, that would be nice. Otherwise its not likely to really change the IE majority. People use IE because its the default. And people don't like change.

Did you read the thread yet? The biggest improvement is the V8 JavaScript engine, which is much faster than the others. I tested it out with some very expensive JS code I've written, and it is significantly better. V8 is open source and the other browsers can learn from it.

But does this mean we need a new browser? Of course not. Chrome exists because Google wants a browser for their own financial reasons. Why pay the Mozilla people money (for search queries) when you can put together a competent browser of your own?

Apparently the New Firefox JavaScript engine is faster than Chrome's V8. I'm not sure if that claim is truly telling of the reality or not though. I haven't heard of FireFox's new engine compiling down to machine code so I'm not sure how it could be faster overall.

** EDIT **

Server appears to be down... A colleague gave me that link this morning so it was probably dug. Give it time.

** EDIT **

Or maybe FireFox's new engine does compile the JavaScript down to machine code: Firefox to get massive JavaScript performance boost.

I don't trust third party benchmarks. I've seen people claim that FF3's JS is on par with V8, which is ridiculous.

Yeah, let's trust what Google tells us

(Edited: By the way, Google will fix the EULA. Copy paste is baaaaaaaaaaaaad!)

I don't know if this competition is a good thing...

It would appear Google has been looking a bit closer at its bottom line.

Google might just decide that paying for Mozilla isn't quite so smart now that they're direct competitors. If Mozilla doesn't get paid by Google they'll be in a tough spot. Maybe they'd sign a contract with Yahoo or even Microsoft search. Or maybe they wont... its hard to say what those Mozilla guys would do.

But maybe that reason alone will prevent Google from dropping them. Its all so hard to tell.

To add worries, Google has been straying from its "Do no evil" motto. Things like that tend to become more and more forgotten when companies go public. Especially after the stock has shown a peak.

Also we can't forget it was the founders who said "don't be evil" and now they only represent a combined 3% of the company.

Does anyone know how well Chrome (or Firefox for that matter) obeys rewrite rules in the .htaccess?

I've got the following rule:
RewriteRule ^game/(.*)/download$ /games/$1.zip
That Chrome doesn't obey correctly. It'll download a file called download. It's the correct .zip, just with the wrong name. For the most part Firefox obeys correctly, except for one of my friends has the same problem Chrome has with his Firefox.

I've always assumed that .htaccess was a server-side thing. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere?

.htaccess is not accessible to browsers, it is interpreted by the server itself. (Edit: Damn, beaten.)

Google Co-founder: No Mac Chrome an Embarassment

Bit of a sensational headline...

Hmmm, I wonder what sort of quarks would cause the RewriteRule to only sometimes work then...

I was somewhat swayed by the Google propaganda in their cartoon. I thought what they were trying to do sounded pretty good. But to be honest, that ":%" crash thing has made me doubt the usefulness of their multi-process mumbo-jumbo, and by extension it makes me doubt their other claims as well. Clearly it is still possible for bugs browser to crash the whole thing, including all tabs. Maybe it is more robust than a single process browser - but maybe not. Chrome could be good in the future, but I wouldn't use it now. (I guess it's called a beta version for a reason... but then again gmail is also still in beta and I rely on gmail quite heavily.)

Oh, by the way. I found this link pretty interesting.

you might have to clear out your cookies and casche. I had the same problem but called tech support and they had me type some shit at the command line. Or you could clear everything and reset your computer. I can't remember exactly what the process was, sorry

Re: rewrite. It depends what headers the server is sending.

Re: :%. The address bar code is probably in the main process, causing the complete crash.

You have to send a filename header so the browser knows what to name it.

Anyhow, I don't really like it. The mouse wheel is WAY too sensitive, I can scroll normally in other apps, then go to scroll in Chrome and it goes at mach 3.

Oh, and in the epic failure department, I was denied access to some amazon article page thingy "because I'm running too old of a version of Safari to support their site." Of course, that's Amazon being worse than failure, not so much Chrome.

Strange quarks?

I think that Google Chrome is there in order to enhance the Cloud computing experience. Google is seriously thinking in making the browser 'the desktop', and one way to do that is to ensure the browser can't crash from a bad script; that's why they have made each tab a separate process.

Hooray. 100% usage on all cores.

I'm just being pessimistic. Firefox was one reason I just upgraded to dual core (shader/cuda capability and java were the others)

Any thoughts on the "GoogleUpdate" process that continues to start and run when you uninstall Chrome (sorry if I missed something already said)? Is it just an oversight by Google, some tracking program, some other type of spyware, or something else?

I already had GoogleUpdate installed because of Google Earth. It seems if the Google program you're running is big enough, it will use Google Earth in a Steam kind of way. Google Talk is the only one I know of to not use Google Update. But it could be my copy of Google Talk is too old to bother installing Google Update behind my back.

I'm pretty sure the project teams at google just do a lot of copy and paste.

Huh? My version of Google Earth didn't come with Google Update...

You have an older version. I did an update to try out the flight simulator thing they added, and in came Google Update. What version do you have? I have 4.3 (and there's an update for it...)

Eh? Google Updater shows talk and Earth, but not Chrome?

Why doesn't Microsoft just add installed programs to a update check list? I'm pissed at all these updater programs taking up my memory.

MS is clueless. They don't have any idea what people want, and most teams couldn't code themselves outside of an open air deck.

Apple does that. But only apple applications tend to use it anyhow.

I'm loving chrome, I just wish some of my firefox add-ons worked in it. It's missing a lot of functionality. Seems like a pre-alpha release rather than a beta.

It's unbelievably fast on my home PC in comparison to all other browsers I've ever used in my entire life. However, oddly enough, it's way slower than any browser I've ever used in my entire life when it's run on my workstation at the office. Any page with flash causes massive slow downs and unintentional wipe transition effects between pages or tabs. Makes me feel like I'm watching a poorly created power point presentation rather than browsing the internet.

In all fairness my office workstation has 1/8th the RAM, half the processing power, and has very poor memory bandwidth on account of one of the ports being defective.

It only seems marginally faster than FF3 to me.

Derezo, graphics drivers have a huge effect on the "smoothness" of gui apps. Its possible your workstation drivers aren't optimized for fancy gui effects, or theres some (a lot of) bugs in it (like the nvidia linux binaries...).

Well, I ran the test at http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed2007.php as previously mentioned and got near enough the same speed (chrome averaged 550ms and FF3 averaged 560ms), however how they got that result is completely different and shows a huge difference in the engines:

FF3:
Array object 14
Date object 9
Error handling 31
Math object 28
RegEx object 81
String object 38
DOM 188
Ajax declarations 175
Total Duration 564

Chrome:
Array object 175
Date object 25
Error handling 6
Math object 9
RegEx object 41
String object 31
DOM 46
Ajax declarations 226
Total Duration 559

IE7 there are no results as all I get is script error

One thing it does show me though, is I'm still getting crap scrolling problems in thread lists when using Chrome as I do with other browsers on different machines. I can only summize then that Matthew's CSS must be flawed

However, has anyone spotted that the spell checker doesn't work in Chrome? when you right click it doesn't give you the spell checker.

They could have done that with threads. The only reason they used processes is because their software is written in C++ and with that superb language, you don't know when or why your application will crash.

Anyone want to give the javascript raytracer a go.

I dare not test with Firefox, but it wasn't until about Fast Quality that I noticed a longer than I would like to wait for delay to occur. (Faster had a delay, but it rendered before I really moved my away from the button to to picture area)

Too bad it doesn't give the time it took though, then we could use it for benchmarking purposes. (Oh, doesn't work in IE7. Some error during loading I think, which is good considering how slow it is...)

One thing I've noticed with chrome is that despite leaving it idle with nothing showing, it is eating up 20% of my cpu for long periods of time.

However, when I want to do a quick lookup I use it now as it starts up in under a second, whereas firefox still takes a while, despite all the speed claims they're making.

You've acquired .... Morph Ball!