Airline Said Her Outfit Was Too Revealing
bamccaig

MSN Video: Airline said her outfit was revealing

What's hilarious is that she offered to hold her shirt closed... ::) Yeah, bitch, that was the problem... I think the host was holding his tongue.

I would have told her to take off her skirt. It clearly wasn't doing anything anyway. I don't even know why women that dress like that bother wearing clothing. Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

Comments? :D

* I'm drinking beer. I'm not sure whether or not it contributed to the creation of this thread.

X-G

You're an idiot.

Goalie Ca

I think the beer is why you chose to use msn video.
Honestly.. i didn't even know microsoft had a video site.. but of course it sucks just like everything else they've ever tried.

Can't watch the video. i'm on linux.. go figure ::)

bamccaig
Goalie Ca said:

I think the beer is why you chose to use msn video.
Honestly.. i didn't even know microsoft had a video site.. but of course it sucks just like everything else they've ever tried.

Can't watch the video. i'm on linux.. go figure ::)

I didn't choose MSN Video. A video was "advertised" in Windows Live Messenger (obviously from MSN video) so I decided to check it out. After a few videos I came across this one. :)

Thomas Harte
bamccaig said:

Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

X-G said:

You're an idiot.

X-G's comment is high praise compared to my opinion of your post.

Slartibartfast
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[video.msn.com]

Link to website that doesn't suck ass and actually does work? :)

HoHo

I saw the video and report that there was nothing too revealing in the video :(

James Stanley

Doesn't work here, either.

And their website is broken. Even when the UA says IE6, it still says get IE6.

ngiacomelli
bamccaig said:

Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

You are scum.

  • I'm a decent human being, I'm not sure whether or not it contributed to the creation of this reply.

jhuuskon
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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

Comments?

Sure. You're a goddamn idiot.

Archon
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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

That reminds me of a former muslim leader in Australia (wiki).

23yrold3yrold
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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

Might want to reword that, yeah.

wearetheborg

Don't drink and post ya hoser.

CGamesPlay

Diana, your avatar may as well not be wearing that skirt. It's clearly topless already.

le_y_mistar
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You're an idiot.

madpenguin
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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

Note that if a user gets clue-by-foured posting something like that, I have no sympathy.

*I'm thinking clearly. I'm not sure whether or not it contributed to the extension of this thread.

Epsi

You're a troll.

Matthew Leverton

First, if you didn't see the video or read about it, she was allowed to fly as-is after being told she was dressed inappropriately. And then later in the day she returned back home on the same airline in the same outfit without anybody saying anything. There's nothing revealing if she crosses her legs. If she doesn't... well, better hope she's wearing some underwear.

Obviously somebody* saw up her half inch "skirt" and complained. (Despite her saying that wasn't possible.) I know what she's thinking now, "$$$". The American Dream is to sue someone for lots of money. 8-) I wonder if they will go for over $1M or not.

I liked the question the interviewer asked at the end, after he asked if they were going to sue. "If you were so humiliated, why did you get back on the return flight wearing the same outfit? Couldn't you have put on a pair of jeans?"

Her lame response, "I didn't have time."

But the real question is: "Is the person who complained the same person who got upset over the scary Arabs?" ;D

* Not a guy, of course.

ReyBrujo

Can watch the video under Linux without problem, but it is not really worth. She was wearing something most, if not all, girls down here wear on weekends. I have seen more revealing clothes in secretaries ;)

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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

You sure know how how to handle girls, eh?

Dustin Dettmer

People like her make me sick. That being said her outfit isn't even revealing o_O. Whats going on here?

Mark Oates

I live in a college town and if a girl's not wearing pants then it's usually a skirt just like hers. I don't think there's anything that's wrong with her outfit, there's a lot that's right. ;)

Matthew Leverton

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The first thing she does when she stands up is pull her skirt down some more. If you have to pull your skirt down every time you stand up, then maybe you should just wear one that's a bit longer.

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And if you have to cross your legs while you sit down, maybe you should just wear one that's a big longer.

But I have to believe her legs were wide open, because there's absolutely nothing revealing about her top half. If she really was sitting like she said with a magazine on her lap, you'd not even notice anything behind those crowded airplane seats. So I don't believe her story completely; now she's just trying to make it sound as bad as possible in hopes of making some money.

nonnus29

It's kind of sad really. We're getting to the point as a culture when we should ask ourselves, "Do we really want our young woman walking around exposing their filthy knickers?" Somebody think of the children!

I guess we're lucky she was wearing underwear at all. Britny/Paris/Sharon Stone wannabe biatch.

manjula
hosehead said:

comments?

so that's why the girl you are stalking is scared of you. If she wears a small skirt, you may rape her because she deserves it for tempting you with her nude legs.

Dustin Dettmer

Honestly with the build up I was expecting to see her naked with coins covering her nipples or something. Total let-down.

I mean, families go to the beach right? This is the kind of stuff you see on the beach as if it was nothing:
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And we're freaking out over some girl in a mini-skirt? Shesh. Gimmie some real news.

I found this image online and wrote this post as an excuse to post it somehwere :x
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Matthew Leverton

There's a difference between going to the beach and going on an airplane. Because an outfit is tolerated in one place doesn't mean it should in another.

But yeah, I agree. It's hard to believe that this was even an issue, especially as described by the woman.

And even beyond that, if you don't feel you are dressed inappropriately, why are you so concerned about what someone else says about you? Typical woman, I guess. I mean if you tell a 75 pound 18 year old that she's fat, she'll start to cry.

HardTranceFan
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There's a difference between going to the beach and going on an airplane. Because an outfit is tolerated in one place doesn't mean it should in another.

That reminds me of this amusing TV advert. :D

Neil Walker

And of course, it's only in America that you turn a minor incident into a full blown million dollar lawsuit ;)

As for not working, I think it's due to Microsoft's dodgy website coding as it works fine, oddly enough, under IE.

This is what you get with firefox for the whole page:
http://www.allegro.cc/files/attachment/593151

This is what you get with IE, notice the minor addition of the entire contents of the page ;)
http://www.allegro.cc/files/attachment/593152

ReyBrujo

As I said, it works fine enough for me (other than the playing bar not moving):

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bamccaig
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[MSN Video sucks...]

I have no control over the video site so don't complain to me. I didn't care enough to try to find it elsewhere, but that doesn't stop you from trying to. Bitching to me about MSN video not working on x browser in y platform is useless because that site has nothing to do with me.

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[That outfit isn't too revealing...]

How many agreeing with this statement have daughters? Sure, she wasn't fully nude and oiled up, but that doesn't mean her outfit was appropriate either.

manjula said:

so that's why the girl you are stalking is scared of you. If she wears a small skirt, you may rape her because she deserves it for tempting you with her nude legs.

I didn't say I condone rape under these conditions. I just said I have no sympathy. There are people in the world that would take the opportunity. I never said that a short skirt excuses rape though.

And what do legs have to do with anything? :-/

Interviewer said:

If you were so humiliated, why did you get back on the return flight wearing the same outfit?

If she was so humiliated, why dress that way in the first place?

Matthew Leverton said:

The first thing she does when she stands up is pull her skirt down some more. If you have to pull your skirt down every time you stand up, then maybe you should just wear one that's a bit longer.

...

And if you have to cross your legs while you sit down, maybe you should just wear one that's a big longer.

Exactly.

ReyBrujo
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How many agreeing with this statement have daughters?

She isn't a 14 year old girl.

LennyLen
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Bitching to me about MSN video not working on x browser in y platform is useless because that site has nothing to do with me.

Why do you assume that everyone is bitching at you? Ever coinsider that they're bitching in general and that the world doesn't revolve around you?

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I just said I have no sympathy.

But you still have no sympathy for a woman who gets raped, whether or not you condone it. That does make you, by most people's standards, a complete asshole.

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If she was so humiliated, why dress that way in the first place?

Because she lives in a hot climate, and a lot of young women from that region dress in the same way. What was humilitaing for her was the way in which the airline official dealt with it - in public, not in a discrete manner.

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The first thing she does when she stands up is pull her skirt down some more. If you have to pull your skirt down every time you stand up, then maybe you should just wear one that's a bit longer.

Perhaps you need to spend more time around women in skirts. Skirts of any length can ride up when you sit down and often need to be adjusted when you stand up again.

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And if you have to cross your legs while you sit down, maybe you should just wear one that's a big longer.

Again, spend more time in female company. Many women cross their legs, whether they have to or not.

bamccaig
LennyLen said:

Why do you assume that everyone is bitching at you? Ever coinsider that they're bitching in general and that the world doesn't revolve around you?

<sarcasm>
No. That's silly.* ::)
</sarcasm>

* IIRC, the original comments about the site were addressed to my taste in Web sites.

piccolo

There is nothing wrong with her out fit. it dose not even look sexaly appealing. some woman who's husband don't like her be cause she is out of shape. or it could be some homo is what started this

LennyLen
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IIRC, the original comments about the site were addressed to my taste in Web sites.

No, the original comment was "i didn't even know microsoft had a video site.. but of course it sucks just like everything else they've ever tried."

If it had been something like "why're you watching MSN videos, dweeb?" then I could see why you would take it personally.

Slartibartfast's comment could be misconstrued as a personal attack, possibly, if you're really insecure.

Johan Halmén
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This is a family flight. Your dress is too provocative.

??? I would understand "provocative" if they would have said it was a flight for Super Bowl or Brittish soccer fans. Were they thinking of all the poor daddies trying not to stair while their wives were looking?

HoHo
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Many women cross their legs, whether they have to or not.

Are you saying there actualy exists women who do not cross their legs while wearing skirt and sitting :o

Slartibartfast
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Skirts of any length can ride up when you sit down and often need to be adjusted when you stand up again.

The same is true about pants, and pretty much any article of clothing. (though probably not as much as for skirts)

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Slartibartfast's comment could be misconstrued as a personal attack

You think so?
Well, to avoid any doubt, I was merely inquiring about the existence of a link to the same interview on a website that actually works, no personal attacks or anything.

X-G

None of this changes the fact that bamccaig is a disgusting donkeyfuck. And yes, you bet your donkey this is a personal attack.

m c

nah he's not, unless he actualey realisticly meant that, in which case he's just a bit of a dickhead, oh and a coward perhaps?

Either a bit of insecurity and cowardice, or sociopathy... i don't know I'm not a psychiatrist, but i was thinking either a sociopath and unable to understand, or feels insecure about the topic and would blame the victim rather than judge the rapist, because he's scared of possibly provoking the sort of person that might cause "socially uncomfortable" situations such as raping someone?

So makes a cheap joke-like comment to that effect rather than say something decisive?

That is the personal impression that i was left with. I didn't think much of it, i even chuckled a bit. But seeing as everyone else voices their opinion...

BAF

I think that's funny. All the headlines say she was "escorted off the flight" "not allowed to fly" "too sexy to fly" etc, yet she was still allowed to fly. ::)

Arthur Kalliokoski
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Because an outfit is tolerated in one place doesn't mean it should in another.

I don't understand why that statement would be true, except maybe the shoes/shirt thing in restaurants.

Reminds me of a Mad magazine cartoon I saw back in the '70's, a girl tells another girl "Thanks for letting me borrow this swimsuit, it's beautiful", and the second girl says "That's not a swimsuit, it's underwear" whereupon the first girl runs shrieking from the room in embarrassment.

Matthew Leverton
LennyLen said:

blah blah blah

Whether or not women like to cross their legs is irrelevant. If your skirt is so short that you have to cross your legs—even while in the act of sitting down—to prevent people from seeing all the way up to your crotch, then yes, it is a bit revealing. That's pretty basic.

And yes, if you are so adamant that your attire is completely "family safe" as she was in the video, then you have absolutely no grounds to be embarrassed about anything. If, however, you realize you are dressed like a skank and somebody points it out, then perhaps you have reason to be embarrassed.

For example, your public, snide remarks about me being unfamiliar with women due to my supposed lack of contact with them doesn't bother me a bit, because your opinion is completely baseless. And I'm even in a worse position than this woman, because at least the people on the plane could see her and judge for themselves.

And no, I don't think she was dressed in a way the she should be confronted by the staff, but I do firmly believe if you want to dress like a skank then you should embrace it and not be embarrassed when somebody points it out, even publicly. It's not like anybody didn't notice before that. :P

X-G

Embarrassment can easily arise simply from the fact that you are being publicly scolded by an airline officer, regardless of whether you think you are at fault or not.

Michael Jensen

Dustin, that image was amazing -- probably the highlight of this thread.

As far as the actual topic goes: I've seen girls in church dressed cuter than that... and hell, no one raped them... ::) er, not that I ever noticed I mean... :-/

and fuck, what's wrong with rape anyway? I read somewhere a list of famous people who were bastard children of raped mothers and the list had some pretty impressive candidates, being raped practically insures that you'll have kids who grow up to become badasses*. And so what: most women fantasize about it anyway! :o

  • = Only if you are a female who was raped in a place that made you pregnant, and only if you keep them. ;D

edit: On a constructive note, I learned something while reading this thread: wearetheborg and manjula are not the same person. ... Well, not that I know of; but I mean, I had always just associated that person as the one female on a.cc and always thought they were the same person. :)

Mark Oates
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and ***, what's wrong with rape anyway? I read somewhere a list of famous people who were bastard children of raped mothers and the list had some pretty impressive candidates, being raped practically insures that you'll have kids who grow up to become badasses*. And so what: most women fantasize about it anyway!

You just ensured this thread will never, ever die. Thanks >:(

Michael Jensen

Oh, believe me, it was my pleasure. 8-)

William Labbett

there's a phrase (which might only be English), "Making a mountain out of a molehill.".
That's my comment.

Michael Jensen

Molehills would be mountains if people were ants. and they'd* be more fun to play with too.

edit: disambiguation * = people.

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wearetheborg
Matthew said:

Whether or not women like to cross their legs is irrelevant. If your skirt is so short that you have to cross your legs—even while in the act of sitting down—to prevent people from seeing all the way up to your crotch, then yes, it is a bit revealing. That's pretty basic.

Not true! I wear skirts that come up to just above the knees. I still cross my legs when I sit down because when I sit down, the skirt goes up a little. If I didn't cross my legs, then I would be creating an awkward situation for myself. I wouldn't call that kind of skirt revealing. 8-)

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On a constructive note, I learned something while reading this thread: wearetheborg and manjula are not the same person. ... Well, not that I know of; but I mean, I had always just associated that person as the one female on a.cc and always thought they were the same person.

We be sistars.

Michael Jensen
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Not true! I wear skirts that come up to just above to knees. I still cross my legs when I sit down because when I sit down, the skirt goes up a little. If I didn't cross my legs, then I would be creating an awkward situation for myself. I wouldn't call that kind of skirt revealing.

Now, I by no means want to talk you out of wearing that skirt (or especially not shorter ones you may have), but ML is right on this one -- if the clothes you wear, require a restircted movement to prevent them from being revealing, then just because you restrict your movement, it doesn't mean that the skirt isn't still revealing -- you're just preventing it from doing that; moral of the story: wear shorter skirts, and quit crossing your legs when you sit down please.

Neil Black
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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

Shut the fuck up you son of a bitch.

Kwame Alexander
bamccaig said:

Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

Have any of your friends been raped? I doubt it, if you're making a ridiculous statement like that. I know that you're not saying that you condone it, but seriously.

Should someone who gets mugged because he wore expensive-looking clothing receive no sympathy? I mean, by wearing a nice suit, you're pretty much asking for it, right?

piccolo

omg you guys that out-fit is not reveling. its not even sexaly pleasing. my good ness where do you guy live? in the hills? look up "pum pum shorts" and thats not even reviling.

Neil Black
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mg you guys that out-fit is not reveling.

That skirt is revealing, although I don't thinks it's enough to kick someone off of a plane. Unless she weighed about 500 pounds. :o

Matthew Leverton

A skirt that reveals your crotch is revealing by definition. There's nothing else left to reveal! Whether or not you feel that is "too revealing" is your opinion. But if a visible crotch isn't revealing, then there really is no point in even putting on a skirt.

Neil Black

Well, it still covers a large portion of the butt-cheeks.

wearetheborg
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A skirt that reveals your crotch is revealing by definition.

I find pants on men way too revealing!! >:( Jeans show off their bums too nicely :o Some pants are even worse... I'm too embarrassed to say more :-[

I say we might as well run around nekked. Clothing is just way too revealing these days!!! >:( >:( >:(

piccolo
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I say we might as well run around nekked.

the humans would multiply faster then rabbits

bamccaig
Kwame Alexander said:

Have any of your friends been raped? I doubt it, if you're making a ridiculous statement like that. I know that you're not saying that you condone it, but seriously.

That was mostly just an offensive, controversial, and ignorant way of saying I disagree with dressing that skimpy. I may still feel sympathy, but I also may not.

Kwame Alexander said:

Should someone who gets mugged because he wore expensive-looking clothing receive no sympathy? I mean, by wearing a nice suit, you're pretty much asking for it, right?

Yes and no. If you think about it dressing sexy is advertising sex. Dressing expensive is advertising money. People that can't get those by other means may be driven to get them in other ways so by advertising that you've got it you're probably increasing the odds of being a victim.

I don't think I would dress expensively even if I had a lot of money. I would wear the best of what was comfortable, but nothing like watches, rings, or bling... ::)

wearetheborg said:

I say we might as well run around nekked. Clothing is just way too revealing these days!!! >:( >:( >:(

Women's clothing, yeah. You gotta get through a minimum of two layers on me. :D

LennyLen
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That was mostly just an offensive, controversial, and ignorant statement

No, this comment is: "Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy."

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I may still feel sympathy,

You've stated twice however that you don't.

bamccaig
LennyLen said:

No, this comment is: "Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy."

In case it wasn't obvious, I was referring to that comment. ::)

LennyLen said:

You've stated twice however that you don't.

And it was mostly just an offensive, controversial, and ignorant way of saying I disagree with dressing skimpy. ::) To my knowledge nobody that I care about has been raped so I can't say how I would feel.

LennyLen
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In case it wasn't obvious, I was referring to that comment.

It wasn't, and I notice you've rewritten it.

At least you're willing to admit what you said was ignorant. There are still too many guys out there who really do think that a woman who knows she looks good and is willing to show it is just trying to say "come here and take me guys."

bamccaig
LennyLen said:

It wasn't, and I notice you've rewritten it.

You should know by now I often edit my posts numerous times before I'm satisfied. It's that compulsion thing. And sometimes it takes re-reading a post a number of times to notice dissatisfaction.

HardTranceFan
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You should know by now I often edit my posts numerous times before I'm satisfied. It's that compulsion thing. And sometimes it takes re-reading a post a number of times to notice dissatisfaction.

So sort out your shit before you hit the 'Add Reply' button.

BTW, I have a female friend who was raped once. She'd like to meet you.

Actually, that's not entirely correct. Her knee would like to meet you. Or more specifically, with your bullocks. At pace. Multiple times.

Michael Jensen
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No, this comment is: "Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy."

Oh lay off him you dicks, so what if he has no sympathy, that's his business, Jesus!

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BTW, I have a female friend who was raped once. She'd like to meet you.

What the fuck for? He wouldn't have any sympathy for the bitch -- hell why should any of us have sympathy for some girl we never met? "She got raped" -- that doesn't tell us anything. I know people who've been raped and I'm close to them, yeah I feel sympathy for 'em. If bamccaig's sister was raped and he didn't completely hate her (hey, what are sisters for, right?) he'd feel sympathy too -- what the fuck business is it of yours who he or anybody else has sympathy for? Sympathy is worthless anyway unless it makes you do something, and to my knowledge, bamccaig does not possess the ability to un-rape someone, though he might feel bad enough not to rape her a second time if he was so inclined in the first place.

Neil Black
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Yes and no. If you think about it dressing sexy is advertising sex. Dressing expensive is advertising money. People that can't get those by other means may be driven to get them in other ways so by advertising that you've got it you're probably increasing the odds of being a victim.

Muggings are almost always about money, but a lot a rapes aren't about sex. They're about power. So advertising sex isn't asking for rape. No man who has at least one good hand has to rape someone if he's horny and can't get any.

Kwame Alexander

Certainly a thread that will go down in infamy.

I think that everyone involved in this train wreck (myself included) knows just what everyone else involved feels about the subject (be it the skimpy clothing this thread was supposed to be about or attitudes about rape, which this became) May I suggest that we pull the plug and give this thread the two weeks or so it requires to die, to avoid any more bad feelings among the allegro.cc members.

X-G

No, I'd like to restate that bamccaig is pond scum and indeed deserves a knee or twenty to the bollocks.

Kwame Alexander

Well, can't say I didn't try.

I find what he said to be reprehensible, but I'm letting it go, as there's not really anything further to say. It doesn't appear that anyone's opinion is being changed by this discussion, so it strikes me as a waste of disk space.

I'm going back to working on my game.

Kibiz0r

We all know he didn't mean it the way we like to interpret it...

Rampage

I just wanted to say I posted in this horrible thread. And that X-G is right.

Neil Black
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No, I'd like to restate that bamccaig is pond scum and indeed deserves a knee or twenty to the bollocks.

Agreed. I'd happily be the one to do that, if I could get to him. Since I can't, let's look up someone in Echo Bay, Ontario, Canada to do it for us. I'm sure we'd find plenty of willing people.

piccolo
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No, this comment is: "Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy."

i understand what he is trying to say but it is a bad example. he is talking about the people that put them selfs into trouble and what the out come will be but they was to do it anyway. example awhile a go there where some people that where studying bears in the hill. later it was found out that one of the bears had killed them. see they knew what could happen but they did it away.

example #2 a that where no under-ware at a club. she knows full well what type of attention it will bring but she dose it away.

theses type of people that like (cant think of what to call it you all get my point)

girls where reviling out-fit to attract guys do you think she is trying to attract a shy guy or a agrasive guy.

i knew a girl in at pg college that was into that rape stuff and she was trying to get me to be apart of it.

Kibiz0r

You knew a girl that was into rape? It's not really rape, then, is it?

Dustin Dettmer

Dude this thread confuses me. I thought guys liked girls who walked around half naked? ???

There is the issue of children I suppose, but as long as nobody else makes a big deal of it they won't know the difference. Kids only freak out when their parents do (and/or train them to). And the issue of children does by no means warrant the term skank.

I always thought calling girls skanky was just what jealous girls did to the hot ones. Apparently guys do this too now? What is the world coming too...

Michael Jensen
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You knew a girl that was into rape? It's not really rape, then, is it?

Almost every girl I've ever talked to has rape fantasies -- yeah they'd like it to be clean, when they're in the mood, all that other BS that makes it not rape, but still it blows the mind.

As for X-G and what others have said, I just don't understand how not having sympathy for some woman makes someone pond scum or what have you... I mean it's not like they're people! :o ;) -- seriously though, people die every day, sometimes I know about it, most of the time I don't -- I have no sympathy for them... maybe I'm pond scum too then... I just don't get it.

What really gets me, is that someone on the airplane had to complain to a stewardess... "Excuse me miss, I'm afraid that if that woman with the revealing dress... yeah her, the one where you can see her cooter -- I'm afraid that if she doesn't get off the plane I might have to rape someone... thank you. :-*" ???

I can only imagine why this even happend -- I wonder if this is one of those cases where truth is stranger than fiction? :o

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I always thought calling girls skanky was just what jealous girls did to the hot ones. Apparently guys do this too now? What is the world coming too...

they totally do it out of jealousy -- I think guys are trained to by girls actually, only guys apply a little bit of sense -- if the girl dresses trashy enough she's a skank -- but then again, some people like trashy women... ;D

Andrei Ellman

Nobody seems to have commented on the fact that this woman travelled all the way from San Diego, CA to Phoenix, AZ for a doctor's appointment (ca. 5:45 in the video). She only spent 2 or so hours there so probably didn't have time to do much else. Don't they have doctors in San Diego?

AE.

piccolo
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Don't they have doctors in San Diego?

she went to see a spacelist not out of the ordinary where im from.

HardTranceFan
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As for X-G and what others have said, I just don't understand how not having sympathy for some woman makes someone pond scum or what have you...

It's not the lack of sympathy, it's the implication that rape can be justified. It can't be. Ever.

Neil Black
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she went to see a spacelist not out of the ordinary where im from.

A spacelist? I want to see one of those! :P

Onewing

Not that I'm an expert on rape or anything, but I'm a huge fan of the Law and Order: SVU television show, which is centered around "sexually based crimes". Rape is a very touchy subject and any word mentioned of it should be very carefully put. Otherwise, you'll spend a lot of time trying to recover from that statement.

There are some cases of rape where the victim claimed to have been raped, when really she consented in the first place (that is, if the episodes are correct). That's scary to, to be convicted of raping someone when you haven't. Still, legit rapes cannot be justified.

It's very difficult to say what is too revealing (unless something is revealed!). But if they say it is, cry about it and get over it, don't go on TV about it. That's ridiculous.

X-G

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There are some cases of rape where the victim claimed to have been raped, when really she consented in the first place (that is, if the episodes are correct).

As many as 40-60% of all rape accusations are false, in fact. It's pretty scary when you think about it.

HardTranceFan

What's scary is that the alleged rapist has his name dragged through mud, and will never be totally clean again.

For every reported rape (actual or fabricated), how many go unreported?

Michael Jensen

what's really fucked up is that most real rapes go unreported to the police or the woman doesn't press charges, while most reported rapes are false. -- Actually if you talk a woman into sleeping with you it's rape -- if you TALK her into it and she agrees, yes she can report that as rape and press charges, and you have to go register as a fucking sex offender, mean-while the real sex offenders who violently hold your girlfriends down and rape them -- they get off scott free because the woman is too emotionally traumatized to fucking talk to a cop about it!

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It's not the lack of sympathy, it's the implication that rape can be justified. It can't be. Ever.

he never claimed rape was OK, he said he wouldn't feel sorry for someone who got what they asked for, quit pumping words down his throat.

HardTranceFan
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he never claimed rape was OK

Correct. He implied it.

Michael Jensen

IMH(and correct)O he did not. But whatever, you have fun with your witch hunt. I've got better things to do.

Samuel Henderson

I didn't find that outfit too bad. Hell, I've seen college girls dressed in more revealing clothes up here in Northern Ontario.

Neil Black

I see almost as bad every day too, I barely notice it anymore.

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he never claimed rape was OK

Correct. He implied it.

I disagree, too simplistic. This is what i think stated more clearly:

He says that "he has no sympathy for x" as a bit of a figure of speach (because it is one, a very common one) and means that because the woman dressed arousingly (which she did not IMHO, but let's just pretend that she did), then if she were to be raped then it is "no surprise" (another figure of speach there). This is still a pretty cold point of view mind you. It is no surprise because he is focusing on her thoughts, her mind, her motivations, what ideas she provokes in others (willingly or not)... etc

like this:
If she would worry about being raped then she should take measures to prevent it. Do not provoke that which you do not want to occur. If rape is such a bad thing, then why the hell would you do anything that might give people ideas about that -what if you come across someone who takes those ideas to head and actually does that!

Of course such a person would be a bad person, BUT there are bad people everywhere. Pressing charges does not un-rape you, so if you do not want it, then be smart and avoid it. Getting run over is bad, so before crossing, even if it is a marked crossing and you have right-of-way, do not just blindly run out.. sure you should be allowed to do it, but "i have no sympathy" for people that put such unecessary risks on their life as to run out in front of a speeding truck or what have you...

Whereas i was thinking that although that does make sense, it is completely irrelvant. Yes of course she may be giving people ideas, it's obvious, that is how straight guys think! However she should be allowed to do so, it is a basic inalienable human right, she should be allowed to flaunt it all she wants and if someone forces themselves on her then all of your disapproval should be focused on THEM not HER.

It is purely a matter of perspective. I dont think it was "rape is ok", but instead "rape is bad, so she should not ask for it" when instead it should be "rape is bad, so others should not perform it".

And yes being sexually attractive is "asking for" rape. I am sorry but that is a basic fact of life on this planet with fellow humans. If you look submissive as well then you are "asking for it" even more. If you are sitting there all alone in a secluded area then that is "asking for rape" even more still, and so on. BUT! People should be able to "ask for it" all they want and it should never happen, and if it does then the person that ansewerd the "call" for rape should be the sole reciever of any bad will, because answering rape is something that no person should ever do.

Of course this all assumes that you are living in an environment where justice is a given. Which it always should be but NEVER is (to varying degrees mind you). Still i prefer to hold to my ideals instead of to settle on any level of compromise. I understand that other people around are inferior, but i would not knee them in the balls several times, that is unjust. Instead I would "lead by example".

So I don't know if X-G et all were being completely dead-serious, if they were then i think that they are bad as well.

Michael Jensen

probably the most thought provoking thing anyone has said all thread. This pond-scum aplauds you.

However, I still stand by rape as a means of keeping the species going -- "I wouldn't date you if you were the last person alive" and all that BS -- hell, no one wants to date the woman, we just want to keep the species going. ;)

Oh, and I also have no condemnation for cavemen who raped to get the species going in the first place and what not -- we barbarians and our 12 hour clocks you know. 8-)

BAF

How is being sexually attractive asking for rape? Only some sick fuck is going to rape somebody, so I see the problem being the raper, not the rapee.

wearetheborg

Not all rapists are into girls who dress like her. Some like girls who look young. Some simply like children. Some like women who live in the dangerous parts of town and who have to come home from work when the streets are looking dark and lonely. The point is, you can't influence (through your dress code) a rapist's decision on whether he's going to rape you or not.

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And yes being sexually attractive is "asking for" rape.

Certainly not, and definitely never. That's trying to bring rape from a black and white totally wrong to shades of grey. It's trying to make it partially acceptable depending on the circumstances. No, no and no. To say she had it coming is a an extremely ignorant and false statement. Next there'll be claims that a woman in a bikini (or even topless) on a beach is asking for it.

manjula

lolololol
look at these dicks talking as though they know what it's like to have a vagina.

Michael Jensen

Talked without thinking again, eh? ::)

Well for the record: I've got one :o -- I keep it in between my girlfriend's legs. :-* -- And I doubt I'm the only one here in that position. 8-)

Neil Black

I agree with HardTranceFan, the blame for rape lies solely on the rapist. A man isn't going to be walking down the street, see a beautiful, scantily clad woman, and suddenly decide to become a rapist. It just doesn't work like that. The rapist decides to rape someone, then finds a victim, he doesn't see a woman and say "Hey, she's just asking for it!" and then run over and attack her.

Michael Jensen

You guys are just putting way too much thought into analyzing something someone said (and later regretted) while intoxicated.

manjula

teh lolz. look at the kitty expert. You are too funny Jensen. Ooooh someone is sticking his penis in a vagina! lololololol

Michael Jensen

seriously though, who let the dogs out? you two are posting rude, unconstructive comments in almost every topic I post in; I know I'm attractive, but jeez, quit following me! enough is enough, go sniff someone elses crotch for a while!

Are you guys not getting enough attention at home? or maybe you spent some time in a harry potter book and you're now at a sixth grade reading level, so you can troll these forums quicker, or what? calm it down a little, will ya? You're not the only ones who can be annoying jackasses you know. >:(

Trent Gamblin

This reminded me of an image... I hope it's not inappropriate.

http://www.allegro.cc/files/attachment/593183

manjula

hohoho is someone getting a little testy? Sensitive about our girlfriend's crotch are we?
lololololol

Dustin Dettmer
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Whereas i was thinking that although that does make sense, it is completely irrelvant. Yes of course she may be giving people ideas, it's obvious, that is how straight guys think!

I resent that. So I think a girl wearing nice close is giving me ideas? I'll have you know it gives me no ideas besides the simple fact that this person has decided to wear revealing clothes.

I'm not some mindless sex drone.

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However she should be allowed to do so, it is a basic inalienable human right, she should be allowed to flaunt it all she wants and if someone forces themselves on her then all of your disapproval should be focused on THEM not HER.

You say 'inalienable' huh? So I guess people should be allowed to walk around naked if they want to flaunt their latest diet... I wonder how the muslims would take to that.

Neil Black
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I resent that. So I think a girl wearing nice close is giving me ideas? I'll have you know it gives me no ideas besides the simple fact that this person has decided to wear revealing clothes.

It gives me plenty of ideas. It gives almost every guy I know ideas. Problems occur when a guy acts on those ideas against the woman's will. Just because a girl dresses like a slut doesn't mean she is one.

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You say 'inalienable' huh? So I guess people should be allowed to walk around naked if they want to flaunt their latest diet... I wonder how the muslims would take to that.

If it's possible to have too much freedom, this would definitely fall into the "too much" category.

wearetheborg
MJ said:

you two are posting rude, unconstructive comments in almost every topic I post in

Right.

I thought you said you were going to butt out a few posts ago... So butt out already. Your moronic statements about rape are not needed. I plan on deleting any other post you make in this thread in order to
a) put an end to YOUR trolling in this thread
b) save you from further embarrassment

Run along now, I'm sure your girlfriend's crotch is waiting for you.

Neil Black
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ust because a girl dresses like a slut doesn't mean she is one.

I should have read Trent Gamblin's pic first. :-/

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I plan on deleting any other post you make in this thread

I didn't know you had that power. Cool.

Johan Halmén

There are situations, where women should be careful on how they dress. And women who aren't careful, act stupid. I do have sympathies for them if they get raped, but I still think they are stupid. It's like crossing a zebra crossing. If I get hit by a truck on a zebra crossing (or what you call them), the fault is the driver's and he is a complete donkeyhole, but I'm kind of stupid not being careful. That said, I do like to tease all drivers in our town by stepping down on the crossing and forcing them to stop, because that's what zebra crossings are for. At least in Finland. They are not for pedestrians that cross only after all cars have passed, because they can do that at any part of the street.

It is possible to change drivers' attitude against zebra crossings. I believe they have done a good job in Sweden. 500-1000$ fee if you don't give way to pedestrian. But how could we change the attitude of these presumptive rapists that get trigged by women in sexy clothes? I think it is reasonable to assume there are different kinds of rapists. Those who simply rape anyone. Those who kind of get trigged by a woman in sexy outfit. Those who actually believe they are about to succeed in hitting on a woman and simply don't understand any rejection after some point. None of these are in any circumstances excusable, but that simply can't unjustify the idea of that a woman had better be careful sometimes. Find a way to get rid of all rapists and presumptive rapists and then anyone could dress just as they like. Without being stupid.

Neil Black
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I do like to tease all drivers in our town by stepping down on the crossing and forcing them to stop

I've never done this, but I've noticed that when I walk down the roads here (not in this town where they have sidewalks, but in the small town I lived in before college where it's just the shoulder of the road), cars will get as far to the right side of their lane, sometimes crossing into the other lane when traffic permits, like I'm going to leap out in front of them and sue them for the insurance money. Then again, here in America that fear may be justified.

Archon
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I plan on deleting any other post you make in this thread in order to
a) put an end to YOUR trolling in this thread
b) save you from further embarrassment

Lesson learned: Never argue with a lady... especially one with moderator powers!

mEmO
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Find a way to get rid of all rapists and presumptive rapists

Castrate all men! Of course, that would lead to other problems...

Jonatan Hedborg

Once again it has been thoroughly established that bamccaig is a moron. And anyone saying "if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy" should be euthanized (or at the very least sterilized) post-haste. Showing a bit of skin or dressing sexy is not a valid excuse for depraving that person of their dignity and scarring them for life. There are no valid excuses.

Michael Faerber
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And anyone saying "if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy" should be euthanized (or at the very least sterilized) post-haste.

That reminds me of the statement "I'll kill everybody who says I'm aggressive". ;)

bamccaig
Dustin Dettmer said:

I'm not some mindless sex drone.

:o Dustin is a chick! Kidding. I'm not a mindless sex drone. I'm not saying that revealing clothing is too much temptation for a guy to resist (mind you, if you wear revealing clothing you have no right to be offended or feel uncomfortable when guys stare). However, there are circumstances where the temptation and chemical rush could cloud judgment. For example, I would imagine some ex-cons that have been locked up in a maximum security male prison for the past 10 years would have trouble controlling themselves. We are animals, after all. That doesn't excuse their actions, but it doesn't make it smart for women to provoke them either. There's really only one thing dressing sexily accomplishes. ::)

Johan Halmén said:

That said, I do like to tease all drivers in our town by stepping down on the crossing and forcing them to stop, because that's what zebra crossings are for.

I fucking hate pedestrian crossings. >:( That's what intersections are for. Busy streets that don't permit crossing should have a walkway above the street so pedestrians don't interfere with traffic or a traffic light that remains green until a pedestrian triggers the traffic lights to change when appropriate with a button or something.

If you step out in front of my car it should be your problem, your fault; not mine.

Neil Black said:

I've never done this, but I've noticed that when I walk down the roads here (not in this town where they have sidewalks, but in the small town I lived in before college where it's just the shoulder of the road), cars will get as far to the right side of their lane, sometimes crossing into the other lane when traffic permits, like I'm going to leap out in front of them and sue them for the insurance money.

I live in a small town and travel a two lane highway almost every day. The reason I go around pedestrians when the other lane is clear is because it reduces the chance of hitting them. They could accidentally fall into traffic, throw their arm out and get hit by your car, or any number of ways you could 'hit' them and be liable even though it was their fault.

Sadly, the courts treat pedestrians in traffic accidents the same way they treat women in divorce court. They win unless they do something extremely obvious and heinous and there are pedestrian (or in a divorce, female) witnesses. ::)

Neil Black
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The reason I got around pedestrians when the other lane is clear is because it reduces the chance of hitting them. They could accidentally fall into traffic, throw their arm out and get hit by your car, or any number of ways you could 'hit' them and be liable even though it was their fault.

Yeah, but the shoulders around here are pretty wide, I'm about five feet from where traffic normally is already, but I see your point.

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Sadly, the courts treat pedestrians in traffic accidents the same way they treat women in divorce court. They win unless they do something extremely obvious and heinous and there are pedestrian (or in a divorce, female) witnesses.

The system sucks. People suck. If I was hit by a car and it was my fault, I wouldn't try to sue the driver. If it was his fault I'd sue without a second thought, though.

bamccaig
wearetheborg said:

I plan on deleting any other post you make in this thread...

IMO, that's an abuse of power. I don't see anything wrong with what Michael Jensen said. He's welcome to his opinion.

Neil Black said:

If I was hit by a car and it was my fault, I wouldn't try to sue the driver. If it was his fault I'd sue without a second thought, though.

Sometimes you don't actually know whose fault it was. You may be SURE that a driver swerved off the road and hit you on the shoulder, when in reality you lost track of your walking and stepped into the street. Especially if you're looking at somebody across the street or something while you walk.

Neil Black
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IMO, that's an abuse of power. I don't see anything wrong with what Michael Jensen said. He's welcome to his opinion.

Says the man who said even worse then Micheal.

Seriously, I believe in free speech, but I have no sympathy for someone who gets their posts deleted when they make inflammatory remarks about a sensitive subject.

bamccaig
Neil Black said:

Says the man who said even worse then Micheal.

If that's the case then why was he threatened and not me? Sounds like she's making it personal. The whole point of being a moderator is to be outside of the situation so you can make things fair and enjoyable for all members. Would you want to be tried in a court of law by a judge who's related to an alleged victim? Probably not.

She's welcome to have her own opinions, but she should try to keep her moderator privileges out of it.

manjula (AKA allegedly wearetheborg's sister) hasn't contributed at all to this thread. The only thing she's done is troll and flame. Apparently she's free to do that because her sister is a moderator.

Neil Black
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If that's the case then why was he threatened and not me?

A few pages back several people (myself included) expressed the urge to knee you in the balls. You may have thought we were joking, but If I passed you on the street (and knew who you were) I would kick you ass. Or at least try to. It's a possibility that you're a better fighter than me. But I'd make sure you were hurting for a while afterwords, at least.

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The only thing she's done is troll and flame.

And this isn't trolling:

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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

There was no point in even saying that. The original subject, a woman getting kicked off a plane for dressing skimpy, had nothing to do with rape. This entire thread is one huge example of trolling on your part so I think she's being fairly on-topic by trolling and flaming.

Vanneto
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Note that if a women gets raped wearing something like that I have no sympathy.

This isnt trolling. Its expressing an opinion that he will not have sympathy.

And if it is trolling, it isnt intended im sure whereas manjula is trolling intentionally.

And he is right about the moderator thing. Once, I told a X person over MSN that I would kick Y ass because he did something on a forum. Person X told person Y, and he gave me a ban on that forum. ( quite big one ). I didnt even tell it to him directly, nor on the forums. Just goes to show you, not everyone is suited to be a moderator.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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This isnt trolling. Its expressing an opinion that he will not have sympathy.

Except that everytime he expresses his opinion, its considered VERY politically incorrect (and generally moraly WRONG) by most people here. Whether he means to or not, a troll is a troll, when you keep baiting people with the rudest and insane statements, its trolling.

Vanneto

Yeah sorry for the statement. I just tasted his rudness in another thread... Oh well, I cant always be right!

Johan Halmén
bamccaig said:

If you step out in front of my car it should be your problem, your fault; not mine.

Well, yes. No zebra, my fault. Zebra with no lights, your fault. Zebra with green man, your fault. Zebra with red man, my fault. It shouldn't be hard to get it. In any case where your fault, I could blame on my stupidity for not considering the donkeyhole drivers.

bamccaig
Johan Halmén said:

Well, yes. No zebra, my fault. Zebra with no lights, your fault. Zebra with green man, your fault. Zebra with red man, my fault. It shouldn't be hard to get it. In any case where your fault, I could blame on my stupidity for not considering the donkeyhole drivers.

I don't think we call them "Zebras" in North America and I don't think we have green/red men either... ::);D

Neil Black

"Zebra" probably related to our crosswalks.

"Red man"/ "Green man" I'm thinking something along the lines of red and green lights here in the U.S.A.

If I'm wrong on any of these then someone please correct me.

Thomas Fjellstrom

I would think the coloured men refer to the "walk" and "don't walk" lights at cross walks.

Neil Black
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I would think the coloured men refer to the "walk" and "don't walk" lights at cross walks.

Ahh, you're probably right. I didn't think of that because I never pay attention to those things. I prefer to watch the traffic itself, in case someone who's driving doesn't notice the red light.

wearetheborg
bamccaig said:

IMO, that's an abuse of power. I don't see anything wrong with what Michael Jensen said. He's welcome to his opinion.

I don't care. His opinion is so vile that I will not allow him to continue posting in this thread.

bamccaig said:

If that's the case then why was he threatened and not me?

Because you somewhat made up for it when you admitted that your statement was ignorant:

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And it was mostly just an offensive, controversial, and ignorant way of saying I disagree with dressing skimpy.

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Sounds like she's making it personal. The whole point of being a moderator is to be outside of the situation so you can make things fair and enjoyable for all members.

As someone mentioned earlier, rape is a very sensitive topic. I will not sit around and watch some guy jokingly post offensive comments about something he knows nothing about. There is nothing funny or acceptable about rape. I let him post a few moronic statements for the sake of free speech. He expressed his views. That's about as much as I'll allow from him in this thread.

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manjula (AKA allegedly wearetheborg's sister) hasn't contributed at all to this thread. The only thing she's done is troll and flame. Apparently she's free to do that because her sister is a moderator.

She flamed him, others flamed you. You both fully deserve to be flamed. Stopping others from flaming you for such comments would be like endorsing the notion that rape is acceptable.

Neil Black
wearetheborg said:

A whole bunch of stuff

bammcaig, I think you just got crushed. :D

BAF
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There are situations, where women should be careful on how they dress. And women who aren't careful, act stupid. I do have sympathies for them if they get raped, but I still think they are stupid. It's like crossing a zebra crossing. If I get hit by a truck on a zebra crossing (or what you call them), the fault is the driver's and he is a complete donkeyhole, but I'm kind of stupid not being careful. That said, I do like to tease all drivers in our town by stepping down on the crossing and forcing them to stop, because that's what zebra crossings are for. At least in Finland. They are not for pedestrians that cross only after all cars have passed, because they can do that at any part of the street.

In America, we call those crosswalks. At least in NY, it's illegal to stop in a crosswalk or not yield to pedestrian, but its only a $100 fine. And it's also illegal, and fine-able, to cross a road outside of a crosswalk, if said road has crosswalks.

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I've never done this, but I've noticed that when I walk down the roads here (not in this town where they have sidewalks, but in the small town I lived in before college where it's just the shoulder of the road), cars will get as far to the right side of their lane, sometimes crossing into the other lane when traffic permits, like I'm going to leap out in front of them and sue them for the insurance money. Then again, here in America that fear may be justified.

I will get as far away from pedestrians/bikers/whatever in the shoulder when I'm driving mostly out of courtesy (I know if I'm walking, I don't like it when cars come whizzing up 2 feet from me), and also incase something happens. You know, step in a hole, sprain their ankle, and fall to the ground in front of the car, that kind of stuff isn't good for anyone involved.

Slartibartfast
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I would think the coloured men refer to the "walk" and "don't walk" lights at cross walks.

"Walk" and "Don't Walk" are so unfriendly to tourists. The little green walking man and little red standing man are universally understandable :)

Neil Black

I'd know what they meant if I saw them. I've seen the same thing here, in fact, I rarely see the ones that actually say "walk" and "don't walk".

le_y_mistar

'sup guys, looks like i missed all the fun in this thread:-/

Johan Halmén

We all did.

Andrei Ellman
mEmO said:

Castrate all men! Of course, that would lead to other problems...

You mean like the extinction of the human race? Apparently, the hardcore feminists have their own sperm-bank so they can continue the human race once they've eliminated all men.

AE.

Vanneto

Yeah thats a bit of a problem. I heard countless times "Whitout women, there wouldnt be children..." wtf? I mean, the other way around works too.

Arthur Kalliokoski

They're waiting for the cloning process to be perfected ;D

mEmO

But then we'll just end up as the Asgard, and that's no good either.

bamccaig
Neil Black said:

I'd know what they meant if I saw them. I've seen the same thing here, in fact, I rarely see the ones that actually say "walk" and "don't walk".

Except in North America ours aren't red and green. They're white and orange/red, IIRC. Actually, there's a white walking person and an orange/red hand.

* Edited for correctness.

Neil Black
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Except in North America ours aren't red and black. They're yellow and orange, IIRC. Actually, there's a yellow walking person and an orange hand.

Actually I've seen a few around here that uses the same symbols he described. But with the colors you gave. I've also seen them exactly like you say, and ones that just spell out "walk" and "don't walk". We need to make up our minds.

Archon

Resistance is futile.

Kibiz0r

Whoa! Does this thread make anyone else weep for humanity?

Apparently all it takes is some failure of reading comprehension and some sensationalism and suddenly everyone's endorsing rape, trolling, or abusing mod powers. (in ascending order of truth)

Here's my take anyway:

Using the word "rape" is like a black hole. If you get too close, you'll get sucked in and people will think you're okay with rape regardless of what you intended to communicate.

People would rather talk about outlandish interpretations of insignificant comments for 6 pages than actual events.

Rape has happened, does happen, and will happen. Yep, the human sex drive is a powerful thing. Be glad it is or you probably wouldn't be here.

Accusations of rape are probably more harmful than rape itself, in the grand scheme of things, because they destroy someone's entire life and those around them, waste resources, and make everyone less credible, including actual rape victims.

Having your house broken into and getting raped is a different thing altogether from going out every night with next to no clothes on and getting so drunk you forget what you even did. I think the latter is the stereotype bamccaig was addressing.

Not to say that, if it was my sister, I would say "You play with fire, you get burned", but it's certainly a "What the hell did you think was going to happen?" situation. And put in the context of a complete stranger, it's something on par with the Darwin Awards.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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Rape has happened, does happen, and will happen. Yep, the human sex drive is a powerful thing.

Rape isn't about getting laid, relieving tension or procreating (at least to someone sane). It's about a power trip and egotistical junk.

HardTranceFan
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Rape has happened, does happen, and will happen. Yep, the human sex drive is a powerful thing. Be glad it is or you probably wouldn't be here.

I've written it before, and I'll write it again - it cannot be justified, it is not acceptable. To violate anyone without consent in anyway is unjustifiable, unacceptable and inexcusable, irrespective of the situation. No one has a right to violate another. Period.

Kibiz0r
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Rape isn't about getting laid, relieving tension or procreating (at least to someone sane). It's about a power trip and egotistical junk.

I don't mean to trivialize it, obviously rape is a deep psychological issue, but my point was just that it's a fundamental problem with the way we're wired that probably isn't going to go away no matter how "advanced" we get, or at least not without a cost.

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I've written it before, and I'll write it again - it cannot be justified, it is not acceptable. To violate anyone without consent in anyway is unjustifiable, unacceptable and inexcusable, irrespective of the situation. No one has a right to violate another. Period.

Whoa, boy. Nobody here is pro-rape. I just addressed real rape because I felt like I had to, sorry if my cursory knowledge of the subject isn't up to snuff. Maybe I shouldn't have even addressed it to begin with.

All I was trying to work towards was that, to me, the comment didn't seem to be talking about actual rape, as in the crime, but career-victim "rape". For two reasons: One, he didn't link to a petition to legalize rape; and two, when I think of the stereotype presented in the article, that's the connotation that comes to mind.

Given that you obviously took it as the former, I bet this entire post is a waste to you and worse, a descent into semantics, but I really do think that everyone needlessly sensationalized what's apparently become a trivial subject. I mean, if you wanna be mad at someone, shouldn't you be mad at the false accusers who have made it a trivial matter to begin with?

m c
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I agree with HardTranceFan, the blame for rape lies solely on the rapist.

Agreed.

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A man isn't going to be walking down the street, see a beautiful, scantily clad woman, and suddenly decide to become a rapist. It just doesn't work like that. The rapist decides to rape someone, then finds a victim, he doesn't see a woman and say "Hey, she's just asking for it!" and then run over and attack her.

Says who? I'd say it is the exact opposite. What you say looks like a script from an old 80's police show.

The evil rapist mastermind looking at a map of the city, marking spots to prepare for a rape mission, a jack the ripper type rapist. Sure that would have happened in the past. Few and far between and not what people mean at all when they talk about rapists.

I believe a first-time rapist is generally either a resentfull jackass that finds himself tempted by an attack of opportunity (exactly what you say doesnt just happen), or otherwise "normal" who ends up taking things to far in an unmutual way (alchol at party rape).

I believe the repeat rapists to be a group of jock-like jackasses up to no good (drunk at a party peer pressure with no inhibitions, or street gangrape etc).

All inexcusable of course, that goes without saying.

But it is almost as if some people have said that a sexually attractive woman is NOT giving people ideas of rape. HUR DUR. Focus here on the meaning of giving ideas in an academic light. They can't just deny reality because it allows them to polarize an issue so that they can feel justified making uneccessarily and unrighteously strong statements to feel better about it all. That's not on.

Think about the human brain. Partial activation of various clusters of nodes repsonding to input stimuli, the patterns can be classified in soft /fuzzy ways. "oh look at this, sexy girl cuases arousal in other words this has caused yearning / desire / curiosity / passion / rape / love / fantasy" etc.

So finally "asking for it" here means that the observation of them has induced this aspect. You are not seriously trying to deny that are you? That humans do not see other humans. That they do not sometimes entertain hypothetical fantasies?

Of course acting is a different matter, but pretending that the victim was not "asking for it" in this sense is lame. How could she be the subject of rape then? Why not a fire hydrant or a dog or a tree? The right or wrongness is obvious but that doesn't invalidate a part of the causation (unless your aim is not to understand but instead to prosecute, in which case perhaps should mention that you are talking in a legal light instead of a realistic honest one).

This is why i recognised this part of the causation but said that it doesn't matter when determining who to blame because "asking for it" is an "inalienable human right", basically that you should not be blamed for what you uncouncsiously inflict on the minds of others, they should just chill and handle it better. But then someone pointed out that if my view was taken to the extreme then it was wrong too. So I meant so long as what you are doing is in reason, and that dressing sexily is within reason. Walking around naked soaked in blood while canabalising on a living baby while crapping on people, for example, is not.

HardTranceFan
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All I was trying to work towards was that, to me, the comment didn't seem to be talking about actual rape, as in the crime, but career-victim "rape".

Rape is rape. There are no multiple, ambiguous definitions to the word. One rape is not less worse than another. Stop attempting to reduce the severity of the crime.

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Maybe I shouldn't have even addressed it to begin with.

Correct. Unless you've experienced it, or have close contact with someone who has, you have no idea of, and cannot imagine, the psychological trauma that goes with it. Quit acting like know-it-alls, and learn when to shut up.

And I'm refusing to post any more on this thread. I can't be arsed dealing with idiots who don't understand what they're writing.

BAF

Good God, we're back on topic! WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE!!???!??!!?!?

Neil Black
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That they do not sometimes entertain hypothetical fantasies?

I've never fantasized about it. Does this make me abnormal?

Thomas Fjellstrom
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"Walk" and "Don't Walk" are so unfriendly to tourists. The little green walking man and little red standing man are universally understandable :)

Yeah, here they are mostly a White or Green walking man, and a red hand. iirc.

Thomas Fjellstrom
Micheal Jensen said:

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Whoa, boy. Nobody here is pro-rape. I just addressed real rape because I felt like I had to, sorry if my cursory knowledge of the subject isn't up to snuff. Maybe I shouldn't have even addressed it to begin with.

Oh don't worry about defending yourself, in this witch hunt things like that don't matter.

Quoted for posterity.

Johan Halmén
Bob
HardTranceFan said:

Rape is rape. There are no multiple, ambiguous definitions to the word.

Except it's not. The layman definition of rape is very different from (say) the legal definition of rape. Trivializing the issue doesn't help prove your point.

wearetheborg said:

I don't care. His opinion is so vile that I will not allow him to continue posting in this thread.

On the contrary. When someone spouts his vile opinion, he should be dragged out, exposed and and mocked, not driven underground by having you put your fingers into your ears and singing "lalalalalala". That doesn't solve anything.

GameCreator
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One rape is not less worse than another.

internet said:

There is not one type of rape. The survivor's perception of the experience is affected by many variables. It is important to realize that even if the situations of the rape are similar, people are individuals and respond differently to similar situations. Although generalizations are useful and sometimes helpful in learning about the phenomenon of rape and the impact on survivors, it is important to understand that there are always different reactions than those that have been generalized.

Vanneto
HardTranceFan said:

To violate anyone without consent in anyway is unjustifiable, unacceptable and inexcusable, irrespective of the situation.

So you can actually violate anyone with their permission? That just sounds so weird:

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John: Lisa, can I violate you now?
Lisa: Yes, violate me like you have never violated anyone before.

:P

Johan Halmén

Masochist: "Hit me!"
Sadist: "No, I won't!"

bamccaig
Michael Jensen said:

So in other words I'm in the process of being raped right now by an evil moderator? :o

;D

GullRaDriel

Coluche said:
"She said I raped her, but raping is when someone does not want to have sex, and me was wanting!"
;D

Specter

The woman from the airline was on Dr. Phil and finally got her apology so she won't be on any more tv shows. The sad part is that they are still thinking of suing the airline over the ordeal that she was creating. Though, Dr. Phil had a guy who was in a regular T-Shirt, knee length shorts, and sandles who was kicked out of the plane because he wasn't dressed right for his first class ticket.

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Though, Dr. Phil had a guy who was in a regular T-Shirt, knee length shorts, and sandles who was kicked out of the plane because he wasn't dressed right for his first class ticket.

That makes no sense. They were on shaky ground with the woman who got kicked off, but kicking off a guy whose clothes aren't anywhere near "revealing" is just asking to be sued. Was it the same airline?

Matthew Leverton

I saw the episode too. (Hey, there's nothing to do at 3PM in the afternoon!)

It was actually quite pathetic. She initially implied that all she wanted was an apology and she'd be happy. After she said that, then Dr. Phil put up an apology directly from the CEO on the screen and read it. And she got free tickets, which she originally happily accepted.

Then after her attorney spoke and a commercial break, she changed her mind. She was "boo hoo, I won't fly on this airline again" and gave back the tickets and essentially said she was going to sue them. ::)

And yes, there was one guy who was told to change into something appropriate for first class (ie: put on socks or shoes). Different airline, I think. But he wasn't being all "woe is me" like the money grubbing skank.

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ie: put on socks or shoes)

Well that changes everything. Feet are the most indecent part of the human body, and must be covered at all times. ::) I've always felt that was a stupid policy in stores, etc. I'm sure they've got a good reason, but I'd have to think on it to figure out what, and it's too late for thinking now.

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Hey, there's nothing to do at 3PM in the afternoon!

Why do you think I'm here so much? :P

Archon
jhuuskon

Haha, oh yes. That, and 'The New Terrance and Philip Movie Trailer' (AKA. Fightin' Round the World) are my favourite episodes.

Johan Halmén

proper dressed != not showing your private parts

bamccaig
Neil Black said:

Well that changes everything. Feet are the most indecent part of the human body, and must be covered at all times. ::) I've always felt that was a stupid policy in stores, etc. I'm sure they've got a good reason, but I'd have to think on it to figure out what, and it's too late for thinking now.

First class passengers don't want to smell feet... :-/ Personally I hate sandals anyway. I don't understand why people wear them...

FMC
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ie: put on socks or shoes)

Correct. Feet in sandals smell :P

Neil Black
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Feet in sandals smell

I've don't smell the feet of people who wear sandals around me. I guess in an enclosed airplane it's a whole different story, but here on the ground it doesn't bother me.

FMC

While you're on the streets no, but try to stay in a closed room with people without socks... evil :P

Neil Black
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While you're on the streets no, but try to stay in a closed room with people without socks... evil

I do, all the time. Almost half the people I know, people that I've lived with, wear sandals around the house.

Samuel Henderson

I thought the reason why feet smelled was because of bacteria feeding on sweat (which is likely caused by feet crammed into a shoe that has no breathing ability).

I don't recall ever smelling someone who was wearing sandals, but I know I don't like looking at their feet.

wearetheborg

Women have better feet than men. Guys, how about getting a pedicure or something?

bamccaig
Samuel Henderson said:

I thought the reason why feet smelled was because of bacteria feeding on sweat (which is likely caused by feet crammed into a shoe that has no breathing ability).

Air can't get in, but odor can't get out either. ;)

Samuel Henderson said:

I don't recall ever smelling someone who was wearing sandals, but I know I don't like looking at their feet.

True.

wearetheborg said:

Women have better feet than men.

No foot is beautiful so it doesn't matter much.

wearetheborg said:

Guys, how about getting a pedicure or something?

I don't even know what that is!

Archon
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I don't even know what that is!

It's when the feet get pattered down with cosmetics... Waste of money!

Vanneto
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I thought the reason why feet smelled was because of bacteria feeding on sweat (which is likely caused by feet crammed into a shoe that has no breathing ability).

HAH you are so uneducated. Everybody knows that feet smell because they are growing out of your ass! :)

FMC
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I thought the reason why feet smelled was because of bacteria feeding on sweat

Exactly, but sweat does form underneath the foot, even with sandals.
Shoes keep the smeel in, and socks absorb sweat

Vanneto

Naked feet in sandals dont smell. You all are bullshitting theorists. I know from real experiences.

FMC

Mine do, okey? :P

Neil Black
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Mine do, okey?

I know, I can smell then from here. ;D

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Added smiley so I wouldn't be taken seriously

Slartibartfast

Sandals are the shoe-shaped servants of Satan.
Often during a class in my university I am attacked by a foul odor, completely annihilating my ability to concentrate on the matter at hand, as well as my appetite and my will to live. Under the effects of the odor haze I slowly rotate my head backwards to find a pair of sandaled feet resting on the floor behind me, or perhaps leaning against a chair or sticking up into the air, always spreading their death, their decay, their pestilence into the air I would otherwise be breathing.
Sandals are indeed the shoe-shaped servants of Satan.

Neil Black

Smelly feet are the bad thing. You shouldn't wear sandals if your feet semll, but if you have non-smelly feet it's fine.

Arthur Kalliokoski

If your feet stink, soak them in a plastic bucket of water with a half-liter of chlorine bleach thrown in for maybe 15 minutes every two or three days until they're stink free.

Michael Jensen

Lame, I start getting my posts deleted and everyone starts talking about shoes. God, I must be the only one keeping this conversation straight! :P

Arthur Kalliokoski

Was browsing the urbandictionary.com and saw the phrase "Who let the dogs out?" but no smelly feet were listed...

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