And this time it's serious.

For all those who didn't follow the first thread here's a short recap: I have a female friend who has for something like eight years been in love with a guy who lives halfway across the country. She didn't know what she really wanted and tried different things (which I didn't understand and therefore started the original thread) but eventually she got together with the guy. That's the point where the original thread got closed down.

So last friday they got together, he came over to her place and of all things to do they got drunk. So much in fact that she supposedly doesn't remember what happened that night or if anything happened at all. She's almost certain something did happen and now she thinks she's pregnant (for reasons I will not go into, but she says she is in fact quite sure about it).

So what does she do? She calls me of course! She's crying and sobbing and asking me what she's going to do and how can this happen to her and things like that. And I'm sitting there paralyzed. I can't understand half of the things she's saying and what I can understand makes me open my mouth in total shock.

All I could say to her was some generic stuff about how it's too early to be sure, how she should wait a few days, take a pregnancy test and then talk to the guy about it. I had no idea what to say to her. I wanted to help but I didn't know how.

I mean, what do you say to a girl in a situation like this? That's my question for you this week. I think I'm going to bed now and I expect serious answers in the morning. Thank you.

Simple. "Go see a doctor."

Hm, I thought that my problems with the other gender were serious, or even really bad. Oh how I was mistaken.

So first of all, she should take a test - that one you pee at. Oh and more than one, second the other day and maybe third on the day after the other day. That way she could be sure whether she is or not pregnant. I suppose that her feeling is based only upon not feeling good the other morning. That could be due to pregnancy, but if you say, she had been drunk, I'd say it was hangover.

Even if she finds out she's pregnant, it's not the end. She has still time for abortion. Oh I forgot, she's pregnant with the guy she loved for eight years, so where's the problem?

Just in case, there are emergency pills you can take a day or two after having sex

Let me say this first: the girl you like tells you about her having sex with another guy? Now that hurts. Sorry, man.

What is she worried about the most? Does she fear her parents will hate her? Does she fear the coming nine months or the birth? Does she fear the guy will leave her alone with the baby? You must know this already, so try to get her relaxed by focusing first on what she actually fears. She will need a cool head to handle whatever happens next. She must take a test, of course, and wait for the results, there's no point on worrying before she knows for sure. If she's not pregnant, be happy and tell her to have safe sex next time. If she is pregnant, the remaining steps will depend on what her family and the guy say.

I'd like to rant about the stupidity of unsafe and drunk sex, but I'm sure other allegators will take care of that.

She had it coming... There's nothing you can say that will make her situation better. She needs to figure out this one on her own unfortunately. I don't mean to offend you, but this friend of yours sounds extremely moronic. Does she only call you when she has problems?

Ranting does no good unless she also reads the forums.

We know biology.

Sounds like you already told her everything. There's nothing you could say at the time that would have done any good. She probably was trying to bait you into calling her a rotten person so that she could justify her own self pity.

I'm completely serious about this. Apparently you like this girl. This unstable, weak-minded, and now proving themselves generally stupid, girl. I've so far taken you as an at least semi-rational person. Is this really the kind of person you want to end up with?
If so, and your sure, then continue reading.

She will need to know if she is pregnant. She should take the morning after pill. If she is pregnant and is not going to consider an abortion, then she's in for some hard times. Be glad it's not you. Your chances with her at this point are gone, unless you want to be the father which pending case 1 above I don't think you do. Say good bye and good luck. Because at this point she may turn hostile toward you if your a close friend of hers. I mean generally screwing you over by hostile. People tend to get that way when the're down and out.

relay01: I think that though he likes her, it's not like he'd have strong desire to be with her, or even fallen in love. If he's rational/semi-rational he knows there's no chance of getting her. Unless he has the same problem as me - my mind knows it's hopeless, but my heart "thinks" otherwise.

So I think that this on best-friend-only basis. He wants to help her somehow.

Tell her to jump off of the refrigerator. Otherwise; good luck kid.

At least its not you who got her pregnant. You should be celebrating...

Honestly... For your own safety, don't suggest abortion or anything else for that matter. The aftermath (of an abortion or even birth) is hard to deal with, and seeing as how she's over the top with her emotions, she might blame you for the outcome.

Just offer her words of comfort, not words of advice... Trust me, I know women!

Stop asking for it on this forum. Best advice you'll get.

This woman needs some girl friends she can go cry and eat chocolate ice cream with. How in the world could you, a guy, possibly relate to her situation? Sympathize, but tell her to go deal with it or talk to someone else. Nothing more you can do that you haven't already done.

Showoff.

EXACTLY! Listen to this man, he speaks the truth.

Piccolo mode:

Woman! Look at my eye! You see it?? You see my eye!? You think you have problems?

Jeez Miran. First this and now this. Looks like you are having a very dramatic week.

It looks like the advice I would have given has already been given by 23.

As for why she would reach out to Miran for advice on this: Perhaps she was feeling panicked and thought of Miran as a friend who lives relatively close by who is both wise and caring thus a good candidate as someone to get advice from.

edit:
Dammit, Phipps beat me to the eye!

There are those for up to 3 days, actually...

Most of those (if not all) are not reliable enough to immediately detect pregnancy, you have to wait until the date where she supposedly has her period.

The only reliable test that early is via blood sample.

Miran, this girl is using you as her cuddle biatch.
Lose that female, she only seems to talk to you when she's in trouble. All she wants is a shoulder to cry on. After she's done, she's going back to her arsehole impregnator.
Next time she calls, don't pick up.

Make tons of threads about her and print them out and show them to her.

Done.

In the mail as we speak.

I thought I got a girl pregnant one time, that sucked. It wasn't the first time I'd had sex, but almost. I was like 'WTF!?!?' And I've been scarred ever since. At least now we have the 'morning after pill'. But there is no morning after pill for 1) herpes, 2) gonorhea 3) syphyllis 4) or aids. You're stuck with those babies. So to sum up: keep it in your pants and don't be a cuddle biatch.

I could not say it better. She thinks your her gay friend.
If you have told her you like her before, what she is doing is messed-up and you should forget about her.

If she dose not have a clue that you like her then you needed to let her know along time ago. right now is a bad/good time to tell her you like her. Depending on what you want to do with her.

If you just want to have a few nights with her then, wait get her to tell the guy that she thinks she is pregnant. if the guy get upset and stuff and start getting mad at her then she will call you telling u that started greeting mad at her. When she start talk about it tell her: " this is really serous do you want me to come over so we can talk more. Get her over your house or her house or in a private place. Get her crying about the matter then hung her with two arms around her back, look into her eyes and tell her this guy dose not deserve you I love you more." then kiss her.

This will get you the night with her or get her to stop with the gay friend atmosphere.

i hope those are tow different sums because cuddle biatch(gay friends) don't get to hit it.

edit:
wow wearetheborg and manjula are telling you the truth. normally females lie for other females. They are breaking it down for you because they know you i guess.

My advice on women:
NSFIWCRURL* http://www.torrentspy.com/search?query=porn
_{*Not safe for idiots who can't read URLs}

Seriously, I couldn't even tell by the original post if you like her or not, so I'm just going to reply as if you do. (which is an obvious part of your problem, you're being way too secretive about how you feel)

I echo 23 about getting advice somewhere else. SomethingAwful, believe it or not, is actually a good place. Also, it seems like you're so far in the friend zone that you should probably change your legal address to 123 JustAFriend Ave.

Your only option there is to make the big dramatic "omg I've been in love with you for so long, blah blah blah" and make sure it's in a slow conversation (not slow to the point of stopping, though) so she feels like she has a lot of time to take it into consideration and respond.

Or if you get a romantic opportunity, like piccolo suggested, maybe... but that might just leave her confused.

As for the pregnancy bit, I'm not touching that with a 1337-character cipher.
...wait, what?

Or because manjula and Diana totally rock and just want to cut us guys some slack every now and then

Did miran at any point mention that the actually has amorous feelings for this woman? I can't recollect it comming from him, although I admittedly didn't read all the posts in the previous threads.

If he didn't, I don't know why he would even bring it up. But I had the same problem, as you can see above.

Honestly, I genuinely feel bad for guys who get used like that...

That opportunity will only come if the guy make a big fuss about her being pregnant. it plays on her emotional and confused state she thinking is she pregnant should i keep baby no matter what the guys says are should she listen to what the guy says and get rid of the baby.

NOte: I said it is a bad time to tell her you like her if, the guy dose not get mad with her about being pregnant.

It sometimes works as a tactic if what you're aiming for is one of her friends.

yeah i know what you mean but your breaking the "norm".

normally when a guy asks a girl about a girl and issues, unless the girl he is asking hates the girl hes asking about or likes the guy who ask her; the girl always says the guy is in the wrong some how.

example: guy say; she treats me like this. she called me a this.
girl will say some thing like : you must have done this. she would not have called you that if you did not do this.
never admitting that the girl mite be wrong.

Why would the other guy get mad at her if she was pregnant? I could see not wanting to deal with the issue and or fleeing, but getting angry? That would pretty low and stupid. He can't exactly go about saying "It's all YOUR fault" to her now can he?

You are very sweet Samuel, but there are a lot of jerks out there who would get mad at a girl for being pregnant.

Which leads us to the next question, why do girls date guys who are so obviously unintelligent?

The way i see it. She is young and the guy is older. This also seem to be her first time in this situation (its no so easy to get pregnant).This girl is the type of girl that will be all silent around the guy when hes asking what should we do about it. She will say stuff like "i don't know" .She will proborly put her abortion views out there as well. if the guy says his not ready for a baby lets have an abortion. Ok?, she will say stuff like "i don't know" or be all silent and mice off on him. That will get him pissed. because hes not sure if the girl is hearing him or not.

yes he can i would post how but i think its a little too graphic for the thread =P. PM me if you want to know how.

Wasn't there a parenthood-case where a tennis star actually got off with it being the womans fault? It was probably in the media about 6 years ago.

She's female. There is no cure.

I know that feeling well. I went with the heart... It hurts. Something still reminds me of Her now and then and I get the same pain in my chest...

I saw Her dad in traffic today. He passed me on the highway. I admit the thought of pit maneuvering him into a pole crossed my mind {angel-smiley} as he lined up perfectly to the left, but I didn't. I didn't even speed up or anything... Instead I stayed at* the speed limit, actually slowing down when it dropped, and let him pass me as the pain started in my chest... Shortly after arriving at school I got distracted and didn't think about Her again until now... ... ...

*I was actually below the speed limit since I essentially coasted when I though of Her...

She's right about that. The only thing you can really say is "So whatchu gon' do?"** Even if you casually mentioned abortion during that phone call it could negatively effect her image of you.

**You can't even say the above strikeout. It's none of your business what she does, unfortunately.

Besides, abortion seems to have a negative effect on women... I wouldn't want that for one I care about.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with with manjula... She didn't notice that you were there and actually care about her... The other guy possibly took advantage of her, which if you ask me is pretty low. She, and just about every other bitch in history, chose the wrong guy. Apparently their zero-logic methodology doesn't work so well.

There are also girls that will trap a guy with a child, to force the guy to alway be with her. This is bad because you wandering if the girl you dealing with is trying to do the same thing to you. This method dose not work to good in current times because most guys don't care about their offspring and who bears their seeds. but some girls still do this type of thing even though theres a chance the guy would not care.

This is bad if it were to happen to a guy like me that cares about their offspring. Because i don't give away children or any type of dna my children are the me's of the future then must be trained and raise by me. my offspring must be stronger and smarter then my self.

Spoken like a true Namaken, now go find the Dragon Balls!!!11

Ehhh, fuck it. Again, it's like religion. You know something's wrong, but there's nothing you can do about it.

For you miran, all I can say is that I feel your pain, I agree it's bullshit, and there's nothing more we can do for you... :(

Thanks to everyone who replied. I'll report with more results later.

Dude thats like one of the first questions I ask girls when I start dating them. Screw what their image is of you!

There are things that suck a whole lot more then some girl you dated once not liking you.

www.sosuave.com 's discussion forums is an alright place.

(Probably just as bad as SA)

But, its straight and to the point.

Sounds like you're so good at empathizing with women that you've become her woman friend just to echo some other responses. -- You don't share your feelings with a dog, it doesn't with you. They're a different species ;P

You'll find your rhythm with women.

Personally in this situation I would chill. Let her tell you when she's not pregnant. Then, go into "I'm a man mode" if it doesn't come naturally. After a couple of interactions like that you just avoid her until an opportunity comes to make a manly move - If you were so inclined.

Otherwise have fun with your *friend*!

But we have to keep in mind that you're still just a little kid.

I've learned from this thread that Diana and Manjula are very smart!

Yep, and actually the kind of women we all dream about.

yes its sound like a good book. but from the summery it sounds like it only give you the knowledge about the this around you. It may give you some about how to deal with the things around you but i think it also hides stuff from you . i think that because of this part.

there are way to get girls that "don't" like you to like you i dont think they go into that.

i recommended a book to you guys a while back. that book goes into a little more detail about getting what you want from a women. Still this book www.sosuave.com is a good read for all you non-believers of "The game".

Any guy that has ever been frustrated and powerless knows that the natural reaction is to get 'angry'. Some guys do it because they're scared or upset, as do some girls, but because men are the dominant sex it comes off more threatening than women do.

I agree it's better to deal with the issue than to give into the stress, but that requires actually stopping to think which most guys, especially the non-intellectual ones, are too shocked to do until after. I'd still recommend you try to keep a cool head, but some guys are bad with emotion. And sometimes the news is too overwhelming to really catch up, especially when the girl comes to you already stressed out.

Women usually make matters worse in all cases by putting pressure or stress on a guy. When he responds to it they get upset with him, when really they pushed him to it. Like if you disrespect a man or try to degrade a man he is pressured to defend his 'honor'. Often it's responsible for fights or violence of other types. If there was no women to put pressure on guys there would be very little reason to fight. The competition is for women and they make it worse. Then they get upset when it goes further than they intended. In other words, making a guy jealous is a really good way to make another guy bleed. ;) In some extreme cases it can and does lead to death. Murder murder. :D

In some cases a pregnancy can be more her fault... For example, if she's supposed to be on birth control and stopped or whatever. Some girls will tell you it's good (even though it's still not 100%) when really they want kids or to tie you down... Men and women both suck.

Any of them got past the first date?

The vast majority of women take offense to abortion... They might not take you seriously so early in a relationship, but don't expect a forever thing with abortion in the picture.

And it really does have negative effects on women. Regret, guilt, etc. They probably won't be the same after. Women are very (too) attached to children/babies/pregnancies, probably in large part to hormones and other chemical reactions. Even to children they don't know! If you've ever hung out with women you know that they watch children enthusiastically, even ones they don't know...

If you examine other animal species' you can see similar behavior between, for example, men and male lions and women and female lions... A better example might be something primate, but lions are a more exciting analogy, I think.

I think it's society that complicates things. Society is important for humans though. I think it's one of those things that is everything and nothing.

yes i for got to say that lots and lots of men do this as well.=P sorry for forgetting about it=}. The male reason for doing this is almost the same as the females reason but i think its wosre.={ really bad nowadays.

Guys do this stuff to girls so that they can all ways sleep with them when every they want even after they break up with the girl for cheating or any thing.

example: guy goes over girl house saying he is cheeking up on her and the kid to see how their doing. Guy is in house saying stuff like" " i still love you " or "I wish thing work out better i want to leaving that other girl because she is nothing compared to you. " Before you know it there both in bed.

i really hate it when guys do this to young girls that have a good chance of going to school and making something good out of there life. but what can i do.. its life.

guys normally do this to young girls that are about to ready to leave high school because at that age girls are extremely mold-able.

note: now i'm breaking the "norm" =P. I only gave this type of info to 2 other girls in my whole life time, excluding my 2 sisters and family. This is what you call playing against "The Game".

I'm only doing this because i love how Diana and Manjula were so truthful with their reply's to miran:

Plus Diana and Manjula seem like knowledgeable women and probably knew this type of stuff a long time ago.=P

EDIT: here is the eye thing you guys though i was making jokes about.
http://www.sosuave.com/articles/lookinto.htm

I disagree, they would fight over something else. And don't expect women to be perfect when men are not.

I don't expect women to be perfect.

Meh, there's really no point analyzing it because men need women.

Are you a dude or a chick? Your avatar and picture conflict... It's fucking creepy, dude.

It's Meia from Vandread. I have it there because I like her bravery, seriousness and determination, things I want/like to have. Hence, there is no conflict

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That's a photo of me with my girlfriend

as a watcher of human behavor, this is the stuff i like to analize.
http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/590838/662926#target

edit: i know why, but it just makes me happen when im proven right every time.

So you are a watcher, then?

She reminds me of Her... Ain't that a bitch. Please tell me you live in Europe and your girlfriend isn't from Canada...!

any one see any thing wrong with Crazy Photon's post?

edit: ah we have one victim http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/590838/662916#target

He's an anime freak?

nope wrong
i love anime as well.

The photo looks like a scene from a horror movie. Behind you!

no i was getting at why would he choose to post a pic of him and his girl friend in a tread of this nature.
there is a reason why. but its something i see in a lot of human personality's

Anime is good. What's wrong with CP's post?

Ahh.

No. I still don't get it. What are you getting at piccolo?

An interesting read from the site that was posted a little back...

If the qualities listed are qualities you "want/like to have" in a girlfriend than you've basically implied that your current girlfriend doesn't have one or more of these traits.

One could also argue that these are illogical traits to desire in a woman and that they are more of a manly quality...

I personally think piccolo is a little too confident in his analytical skills, largely because of support from some other members. You can't for certain know *why* Crazy Photon posted that picture. There could be millions of explanations.

really ask him why he posted it.

edit: Crazy Photon why did you post a pic of you and your girl friend in this type of thread when you aready made your point with

and the pic in your profile.

I'd argue that if piccolo had an answer he would tell us. This seems more like how 'mediums' and 'psychics' impress people. They throw a bone and wait for somebody to throw it back. When they get it back they run with it.

Not to mention, why don't you ask him yourself? I'd say piccolo is a good specimen for psychological analysis.

I think so too. i want to know why i have not met anyone like me before.

the im dumb thing was a bad joke on me for trying to type L0L in stead of a smiely face.

thats make analysis on why it sad i was dumb

Yes.

I understand and agree with all of your points here. Except for the society is everything and nothing, that part I don't really understand.

im not going to do the same thing he did. im giving him an opportunity to make something up.

Good thing you put an "If" there! I meant the qualities I want/like to have in myself.

Because of this:

Although at the moment when I posted I didn't remember that I already had a photo in my profile

There are times when it makes perfect sense and times when it makes no sense at all. It's everything and nothing. The actual terminology was a way that She used to refer to it.

At least, I assume that's what she meant. It's really a conclusion that I came to and when she said that to me it just fit. She was always really annoying about having 'inside jokes' and refusing to explain them; even though She would tell them to me in MSN conversations over and over...

If She's not going to tell me why say it to me? She can laugh on her own without sending the message to me......

The plot thickens...

Those traits seem reasonable. I'd rather date a girl with those traits than a girl who runs away from problems and is ignorant and childish.

Edit:
Quoted the wrong statement. Crap.

Dude... theres more fish in the sea...

Have a rebound or something:P

very well Ill leave it at that. evey one can ponder on there own.

Psychology is far more complicated than a few social stereotypes or even a psyche degree. These are things that can help you be more open-minded or analytical about a person's actions, but there isn't an exact science to know what or why.

That's why I've disagreed with most of your ignorant advice, piccolo. You're looking at women as a simple math equation you can solve.

my advice has been
benchmarked on ibm capatalbe and mAc CPSs. they have also been tested on windows ** Mac o/s and veriest flavors of lunix.

edit: benchmarked test results works at a rate of 80% on all but 90% on window ** and ibm capatalbe users.

I think I understand now what you were really asking: why did I post a picture of myself with my girlfriend rather than one without her? I just wanted to put a nice picture of us, one that shows us happy and in love, and that's one of the nicest I have (I also have it as the desktop wallpaper on this computer). I feel very happy to be with her, and each day that is passing our love grows stronger, even in this not-so-easy times.

That was my best assumed reasoning for it. What did you have in mind, piccolo?

What?

I was referring to your advice to miran regarding this (these) threads...

as i though you was feeling down and you wanted to someone to feel down with you example: my father many have had a heart attack but at less i "am happy with my "girl freind and these guys "are" not(note:i change the parts in quotes to not read as harsh )
i knew that you had problems in your life but i though it was with your girl.
i saw the tread in your profile and it clued me but i did not go and check to see if you started it. sorry to hear about your pops. and what you did was natural.

edit: crap now i just did a bad thing i confused that post with this "My father had a heart attack" i hope your not feeling to bad. again sorry about your pops.

On the contrary, I want everyone to be happy, but for that to happen, I need to be happy myself, so that happiness attracts happiness (like attracts like - Law of Attraction)

Fortunately it's also the opposite, she is and has been by my side, even in the moment that my father perished. I had problems in my past with women though, actually very much like bamccaig, so I understand his pain. Bamccaig, don't despair, your time will come, you just need to be patient. I know this may sound the same as many people may tell you (and what most people told me when the same happened to me), unfortunately it cannot be simpler than that! I could offer more advice, but you need to go through the process yourself so that you understand it from the bottom of your heart.

Thanks, it's good to not just assume things and actually talk. Most of the time it's just misunderstandings instead of bad behavior.

yeah cause that would be like post a pic myself in a bran new car in a thread called " i just lost the down payment for my new car" worst if its the same type of car.

I see your point, I did not intend to be arrogant, so if anyone was offended, I apologize!

Sometimes I have the hardest time understanding what piccolo is trying to say...

You shouldn't have to apologize for posting a picture... Besides, your girlfriend is pretty cute so I didn't mind!

I'll add something, more in the spirit of the original thread: as I mentioned somewhere above here, I'm alone and I love a women, beautiful, beautiful woman. But she refuses (same problem here as bamccaig), the ironical fact is, that this is for the second time with her - I was able to overcome it. Now the part I really don't understand (well quite yes - from the point that you cannot control who you love or not) - she admitted that she's alone. She ever was, even the first time...

Edit:
bamccaig: yes me too.
Crazy Photon: absolutely not. I actually like that photo, you two look there really sweet. Was that taken in atelier or somewhere outside?

yeas i say i was natural though you did it with out even knowing. thats why i went through your post to see is there was any similar behavior. but i did not see any forum topics in there that would make a good sample.

Piccolo was saying it is rude to post pictures of you being happy with a girl in a thread about someone who is having troubles with a girl. It's like a recently engaged person expressing joy/bragging to someone who recently got divorced. Then he was trying to analyze what kind of person CP is to do something like that, although I think that's going a little overboard.

Anyway, cute pic CP.

Yes, it's from Punta Cala, a place for celebrating events located just outside Montevideo. At one corner they have those ornaments from the 19th century, and it occurred to us to take a picture there, it's a bit magical because it combines ancient and modern stuff

based on the little info you have there . it sound like she thinks that she to good for you. example: think or Family Guy (the girl named meg )

if i were u i would read some of the stuff in the link below to see if you affected by any of it.
www.sosuave.com

Mm, maybe I could, I can't spoil anything just by reading Though not right now. And besides, she doesn't think that. She likes me just like a friend and good guy. But nothing more. Oh where have I heard that and how many times?

But Meg isn't too good for anybody... The voice actress is kinda cute, but the character has pretty much been the target of the show.

Oh, I think I'm loosing something... I haven't seen any episode of Family Guy

holy crap did she say that to you?

in the show their is a guy that is alway trying to go out with meg. she dose not want to go out with him because he is not poplar and meg her self is not poplar.
one epso that guy gets girl that betting looking then meg and meg is still alone.

That's not the same thing at all. You're allowed to have standards. There is a line to be drawn. Some people just draw it a little higher than they should.

Not for the first time Oh crap, I know. She's really tough case

More news from the battlefield. It now looks with 95% probability it was a false alarm and everyone seems to be happy again. But it was still a very productive learning experience. Have I already mentioned this girl has very little sense of humour? Well, actually she has virtually none. As I said, she didn't remember what happened that night and thought of the worst case scenario and then when she asked the guy about what happened, he made jokes (probably inspired by this april fool's day thing). He even played it quite well in my opinion (she showed me his emails and text messages), but she took everything dead serious! I mean I saw what he wrote and to me it was totally obvious he was joking and I pointed out the humour in it to her, but she just doesn't get it. I suppose she's one of those people who see something funny, don't get it and cry "think of the children".

Btw, I said it before and I'll say it again. I have no interest in this girl, she's just a good friend. And when she called me yesterday, she sounded so depressed I was worried she might do something to herself. I mean I know she's not that kind of person, but I've already had two of my friends kill themselves over things less serious, so you can never be sure...

My thoughts exactly.

she sounds full of her self. just like the stereo-type high school actress/modle. that that thinks there going to make it so they are mean to a lot of people. in the end wined up getting child from there "job agent" who hasent found them a job yet. and the agent for got to tell her he is a pimp. i ll be ack after class. we will fix that girl.

Oh the irony. I'm one of those people with high(er) standards.

... says the man, who was once so depressed and was thinking about suicide IIRC
Sorry no offense I just could not resist to point out the irony. Ok, now more serious: I think that she has serious problem with that lack of humor. At least the girl I mentioned has a lots of humor.

Besides haven't I and mEmO pointed out that you have no interest in her? I was not understanding it in the original thread and here again. Oh I almost forgot - those are good news. Oh and don't listen to that advice to forget about her. She's a friend, and friends need help.

You talking about me? I think you got it wrong. I never said anything about this, or if I did, I was joking.

For historical reasons: http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/589145/636216#target

miran, I was sure you posted something like this once:

I'm thoroughly fed up with girls. All I get from them is "let's be friends", awkwardness, and a complete lack of openness and honesty as to what the fuck is wrong with me. Yes I still want a girlfriend, but how can I ever trust a girl not to be like every other fucking girl I've ever fucking known (and some guys too - from whom all I want is friendship for fuck's sake) ...

Maybe it's the chocolate talking. Happy Easter!

Sounds to me you have the same problem I do, Bruce. I think the problem is that we are nice guys, and girls don't feel attracted to nice guys. I just don't get how you go from being the guy they call at 4am drunk at a party to get a ride home, and the one they talk to about "that stupid bastard I made out with last night" to being that bastard. Seriously, it goes way over my head.

my point is you don't crush people who like you with staments like that.

edit: if they say lets be friend, don't deal with them get new girl.

edit2: if you dont laugh at things one person finds funny you laugh at the things they dont find funny

No.... nononono... It has nothing to do with you being a nice guy. You (general you) might be a nice guy, but you might also be a socially awkward nice guy. Or maybe you're nice, but you smell bad - that's a huge turn off in case you didn't know, and it shows that you are not caring enough to want to smell good for the benefit of others. It has nothing to do with being nice, because there are plenty of nice guys who are married/have a gf. It has to do with YOU. Surely, nice is not the only adjective that describes you. Think of the other ones, and then re-evaluate why you are single.

Bruce, I could tell you why you are single, but I doubt you'd want to hear it (from me at that).

hmmm.... nice and shy?

Piccolo, I could be like you but I'm not from Namek. I used to be fairly manipulative person, not up to your level though. It's pretty disgusting how easily most people are to manipulate. It's like they want to be used and decieved.

edit;

OMFG!!!!111 That's it!

[next day]

Guys listen, I went and bought some deodorant, put it on, and TWO GIRLS followed me HOME!!!! Wow, you gotta try this!!!!

Did you bother reading the sentence right after that, genius?

I shower two times a day, wear cologne and deodorant, and I'm not particularly shy (used to be, though).

That has got to be the worst most horrible April Fool's prank I have ever heard Miran! Either that or the most awesome one.

Oh good lord.

Perry, if you want to get some tits and arse, stop going only after japanese tits and arse. Expand your repertoire a bit.

That's about the most evil thing you could post. You know why I'm single, you didn't tell me why, and you implied that there's some kind of bad air between us which I wasn't even aware of. If you really do have a theory as to why I'm single, then yes, I want to hear it. It can't do any harm; if anything it'll do me good.

I tell you: Japanese girls are not the only females on the planet. There are plenty of other girls who can wear a high school uniform for you, be just as hairless and say "kawai" while grinding to the latest j-pop tune.:o:o

Manjy, go and get your sister.

For all matters social, I take an Epicurean worldview. That is, everyone exists solely for my pleasure, because they're all elements of my mind.

If you are having fun, other people will be having fun. That is how I get girls........ to stand me up, lately. (it was justified, not going into details though)

I can't really explain how it works, but it works. Just something about thinking that way makes me more social and funny.

This is absolutely right. Nevertheless, few persons are that honest with themselves; nobody thinks "wow, I'm really annoying, people must hate me" or "I'm way too ugly, I should aim lower". Unfortunately, what we all do is blame others "Why, oh why am I alone, does nobody understand how I truly am, can anybody else see what a wonderful person I am?".

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but i don,t manipulate people for my own benefit. i do it to teach bad or stuck-up people a lesson. i have always been around guys that fall in love with every girl they go out with.

I'd be willing to bet they don't learn. It's more likely to further damage their relationship skills.

i don't see how it damages but i have a cozin that never learns. he is marring the one he is with now i don't like for some reason though. i told him so its up to him what he dose.

You're way too sensitive (the above post proves that fact), and it gets annoying. You are obsessed with the fact that you are single, and when you meet a girl, you become obsessed with her. You overanalyze situations. These things don't necessarily make girls, or people for that matter, feel comfortable. It's just... Too much.
You are essentially a nice and kind person with good intentions, but you need to work on the things mentioned above.

As for bad air between us... I don't think that's the case, it's just that I noticed that I offend you a lot.

Excactly!

1. Get a girl so drunk she loses all her memory.
2. Convince her you did it -- more than once -- and that she might be pregnant.
3. Profit!

What he does is up to him regardless.

5 pages in and it's time for my fashionably late entrance...

Here's my advice:

This girl is 1. The first girl to really jerk you around in life. From what you've posted I think it can be gained that you are letting this happen to you, you are the shoulder to cry on for this girl. She sees you as the person that she can just break down to because she know's that no matter what you will there telling her nothing is her fault and it's all going to be okay. There's nothing wrong with being there for a friend but you cannot wrap your entire world around someone, sometimes people just need to hear what they don't want to hear and a true friend should be honest.

This is a learning experience for you and if you take nothing away from this there will be a number 2 girl. And a number 3. Eventually you will learn but it's up to you how many times and how many years it will take. Do yourself a favour and change this unhealthy relationship you have with this girl.

Good luck! The opposite sex are a tricky bunch and have the power to turn men into jello...

Miran: If you ever change your mind about her, at least you know she puts out.

Diana: I thoroughly agree that the nice guy factor doesn't mean anything. Nice guy is just a euphemism for can't get laid. If so-called nice guys were suddenly endowed with the ability to get laid regularly by numerous women, I'm sure they'd become arrogant jerks too.

All: Stop reading stupid sites that place too much importance on sex (sosauve, intellectualwhores, etc). First of all, sex isn't everything. This is a simple fact you'll realise for up to 10 minutes after you fill the bunch of tissues in your left hand. As an experiment, try reading one of these sites immediately after you've cleaned up your little mess. Secondly, attractiveness comes with age. Before my mid-20s, women were hardly attracted to me at all. That situation has changed quite a lot, even with my receding hairline. So don't despair. You're more likely to attract women when you're mature enough to handle them.

Even really geeky boys usually become men.

Right, some sleep later (even though I should be at work and will go there the moment I've posted this):

Thanks a lot. I don't think any of this is really true any more - though I can always improve a bit more, and I'm sure I will.

I wouldn't say I was offended; I was just upset that you still expected the worst from me.

As far as being sensitive, today/yesterday is an exception. A while ago a girl rejected me (I think mainly on the grounds of distance). There was some awkwardness afterwards, but it went away and we managed to stay friends, and there wasn't any overanalysis I'll have you know! She's now told me she thinks she's found someone, and evidently I still liked her judging by the effect it had - and I was ill with a cold and full of chocolate which I'm sure makes me moody, and I was tired, so that all made it worse. How often do you see me post that many swear words in one paragraph? Did that look like me? Maybe it's you who underanalyse situations

My post above - the one full of swear words - is good. It shows that I'm learning not to try too hard any more. What I really need to work on is my exposure to people outside and beyond the direct work environment (where I like to pretend "the meeting room opposite the lady's toilets" was a deliberate gag rather than someone being illiterate). I'm making some progress there

By the way, the above girl is planning on visiting me after summer, so I can't be that annoying these days, can I? So you can unblock me on MSN if you want

Recently? Apart from today? I don't remember anything. I think withholding information just because it might offend me counts as bad air, but that's all resolved now

Sorry for hijacking your thread a bit, miran

No need to apologize. Very interesting and educative reading.

Fond of these threads as I am, it kind of feels bad to see how much anxiety people have over these things, especially when nasty stuff happens to guys who seem to be such good people.

... Really? Well, say someone thinks that's what they think. Are they in reality thinking something else entirely but subconsciously find it so uncomfortable they would like to think they think the thoughts you mentioned instead? This is getting difficult.

[This is where I'd offer a collective apology to miran but he seems to like the tangential offshoots these threads tend towards at least as much as the average allegroid. ]

[Editation] Wording.

Exactly. You can't even begin to imagine the sense of pride one has when their thread gets 300+ replies.

Mods: Don't close this thread yet! The story is far from over. Now it seems she's only 50% sure everything is allright. She's still worried about the first 50% and mad at the guy because of the other 50 (interestingly not for him taking advantage of her while she was so drunk she can't remember anything (which obviously didn't happen (although she thinks it might have)) but for joking about it later). Earlier I tried to convince her everything is in fact OK and that she's just worried for no real reason, but I think I just made her more pissed off and now she won't talk to me.

The obvious solution is to be a bad person.

Plus, only the good die young.

edit:

Give her time to cool down.

That's why I said IIRC there. Anyway glad to hear that.

Mm, I think I know this situation.

[Edit]: even more weird behaviour: as I said above that I know the situtation. My friend just put me on invisible list without a reason. Well there is probabably some reason, but she didn't tell me. What the crap? We're humans, we comunicate, so it's normal to tell somebody what's going on, so he can at least know or even can correct his mistakes. Is it just me? Am I too naive?

what is with you guys and having girls as friends.

what ever you do don't call her. when she calls pretend like nothing happen and you for got about the pegnet stuff.

If you ask me saying that people are awkward or whatever is just a bullshit excuse to treat people badly. They likely feel awkward because you make them uncomfortable so the fact that their awkwardness makes you uncomfortable should be enough to make you more friendly and open so that they can feel less awkward and everybody can be more comfortable.

If this thread is still open tonight after work I will try to finish this thought.

Yes! I knew this myself without help this time! You are a good teacher.

If anyone thinks that underarm oder is there problem or just want to smell less. get a lime(green) while taking a bath, after you have soaped up use half of the lime on both underarms make sure you use it like a bar of soap until it all juiced out . use the other half that next time. you will not smell for a long time

Miran, invite her boyfriend over and begin getting him drunk. Once he is drunk start questioning him about what really the night of March 31st 2007. Secretly tape his response and give it to the girl as proof.

Then she will be sure either way of what happened. Hopefully she will thank you for clearing things up, and not hate you for meddling in her personal affairs. (Or non affairs as the case may be ).

Oh, and if you are smart you might not want to tell her the results after all. Just keep them to yourself. In fact... if you are really smart you probably wouldn't want to get the guy drunk and start questioning him, it would be much better to go bowling or playing poker or something.

I wish I was standing behind you when you wrote that then I could punch you in the head. But then I suppose you would say you like being punched in the head?

Hey, you're not a Namekan, your just some dude with big ears who likes to bath with limes...... Any tips for @ss odor?

if it is swet odor you can use limes there as well. if it is uncontrolled gases odor. in my home country they has a tea that you can drink that cleans you inside out by making you use the bath room. i guess if you use a laxative it will do the same thing.(note make sure you use it at home in the night time.)

what is your home country Piccolo?

Namek

LOCATION: QUEENS, NEW YORK CITY?

Don't worry about it too much. You know what they say: There's plenty of fishermen in the sea!

Isn't that more like your home planet?

If I remember correctly he's from Italy. Which also says much about his opinions and advices on women...

I don't think he's from Italy. My guess: Sierra Leone.

Stereotyping? Wasn't that politically incorrect now?

On the topic of relationships, I just spent an hour talking to a friend who was rejected by the girl he likes.

Now if I may, here comes a sleepless rant:

I've noticed a pattern with this guy and other friends of his who have the same problem: they think their lives are like an anime or something. AFAIK, anime often features males who are shy, socially inept, emo, aloof, rude and/or rather girly. In those fantasy worlds, such males attract the 99.9% of the women; every girl is secretly in love with them, but don't want them to realize it and therefore treat them like dirt.

Back in the real world, my friend believes that girls will notice all his wonderful traits by just sitting silently in a corner, and convince himself that if a girl turns to see him is because she's madly in love with him. Basically he just does nothing and hopes for the best. When he finally gathered enough self-confidence to talk to this girl, he went and basically said: "I know you like me, I like you too, let's make up". Of course the girl was frightened! He hadn't even talked to her more than five times before today, hence the rejection.

He asked me why had it happened to him, and I didn't have an appropiate answer. Then I crafted this theory, which could be right or not. I'm not claiming that all anime fans are similarly affected, it's just a pattern I've noticed. But it could be caused by an entirely different reason, and I'm willing to accept that I may be wrong.

End rant.

Rampage: IMHO that was not incorrect and it's not stereotyping. I just gave possible and most probable solution to that like he treats women. Oh I think that your friend has a problem. Really, really big problem. Love is something which must both feel. If only one of them feels it, it's a shame and no way out. Only thing you can do is to tell her what you feel. Though you know it's not going anywhere.

There are few reasons why to do that. First reason is, that you'll be more calm after that. Because till that moment love engulfes you in flames and you're constantly obscessed by the person and how to tell her, if she loves you etc. Secondly it can turn out, that she feels the same, but was just unsure, so she stayed off (she's shy, or has some reasons...). Even if she rejects you, she'll be happy that someone actually love her, no matter if she has already somebody or is single. She'll be really happy and you cannot imagine how much. Believe me, I saw this few times, no matter what piccolo is saying.

Once there was a girl I thought she's into me, we were talking at party after our prom and it looked that she's interested. I later realised that she's living with a boyfriend for year and half. But she was really surprised and happy, when I told her.

Ha! This is rich... care to explain?

But basing such a conclusion on the country he comes from is stereotyping.

Ok, ok, don't get into flamewar. Maybe it was stereotyping. Fine, but it's possible solution, isn't it? Oh and I'm not saying that they're all the same.

nothing wrong with stereotyping if its done right with lots of data.stereotyping is ugly most of the time true. but make you stereotype is narrow and sported by a lots of things not just one.
example is i was from Italy base on the things i say i eat, if i said before that i love football(soccer for you usa people). if i sound like a tv mafia member every time you read my post, if im always talking about my family. if i get a fended quickly about things said about my family. if when i talk about my family i talk about large a one,eg. uncle anty grand parent . then you could probably make a guess that im from Italy.

Note: THERE ARE ALL WAYS PEOPLE THAT BREAK STEREOTYPES SO THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. (same as any theory.)
but nope im not from italy.

edit:

you have to remember that there are many type of anime. that what you talked about is only one genre.
you need more meat. narrow it down and link it to how much of that genre of anime they watch.

its good though i have seen girls like this as well.

In drama comedy animes, when the main female gets mad at the main males they chase them with large hammer objects or books. i wonder if they did it because the new guys new it was an anime reference or would they do it to a guy that dose not know anything about anime as well.

Haven't you read him ? He is not from this planet ! He is king piccolo from Namek ! And as he is green and ugly he do not know nothing about how to deal with a girl, because no one can bear his greeeeen face !

Seriously, man, what do you think we are going to do if we know where do you come from ? hmmm ?

I am French, all people there have already said that I do not have a good English and blah and blah and blah. And SO ? Do you think they are going to come here and hurt me if I am mad with them ? No, they are better to come asking for beer, man !

And so, where is the country you actually live ? Saturn ?

Funny I recall reading it some time ago in your profile. Oh and that my note was meant in a way that Italians (most of them, not all of them) are known to go after women and have lot of them. Ok sorry maybe misjudging.

That is what we say in France too.

Duct tape!

Sorry, what was the question?

This means we are charming, not manipulative, as you seem to think

I thought piccolo was from the Bahamas.

FMC: maybe you're not, but still there are many others who can. But never mind.

All czechs are drunkiens, maybe you're not, but still there are many others who are. But never mind.

In regards to Rampage's theory of anime fans and initiating relationships; There may be some truth to it, but neither my friends (also anime fans) or I equate anything in (most) anime to real life.

Edit:
I think it has to do with how impressionable the person watching the anime is.

FMC: I don't say otherwise But I think that this is completely usesless since we still don't know where piccolo came from (I don't dare to discover that he's in fact spam-bot ) Oh besides I think I'll have one beer as tribute to you

Samuel: yeah, smart man. But not all people are so smart. There are lot's of romantic lunatics who think otherwise, shame on them.

Less arguing over stereotypes and more about the thread's topic, please.

I don't agree that people are confusing anime with real life. In most cases it's probably just a fantasy that is applied to reality because the social skills to actually face reality are missing. The void is filled with hopes and dreams.

There are a lot of people who don't know the boundaries between what they see on television and real life. Luckily, this mostly this doesn't effect anyone but themselves. The problem comes with the ones who try imitating violence they see and then get watchdog groups up in arms trying to get shows taken off the air.

I wonder how many Hulk Hogan wannabes end up in hospital every year.

People are stupid. Let them be stupid. I personally enjoy the freedom to BE stupid thanks very much.

And give the really stupid ones dangerous toys. The gene pool needs more chlorine.

In terms of anime you can easily see that the characters don't look the same as real life and numerous physical abilities are unrealistic of real life. To apply the rest without something real world to back it up is illogical and unlikely. Young children might not fully comprehend the difference, but anybody above 12 with half their brain cells alive and well should be able to manage.

Blaming media is really just an excuse. Like the kids that shoot up a school and blame TV or video games. It's really just passing blame off on something else and because the majority of people don't understand people they are unable to ignore it and have to consider it. Instead of actually doing time consuming and expensive analysis it is quicker to just point fingers, especially for the average parent that doesn't understand high school math. It's also easier to blame a video game than to accept responsibility for their children.

I don't know about you, but if the cops ever get me on something worth time I'm claiming insanity.

We're not talking about logical people obviously.

If you go through life always expecting what should happen, be prepared for some surprises.

In some cases yes. Not always though.

Yeah, I guess you're right... I was looking at it from a defend media (tv; anime) perspective, but I guess we were never really blaming them... Only pointing out idiocy.

I wonder what happened in the coutry far far away, where Miran lives. He's not responded still with up to date news from the field. I wonder what's happening there. Which leads me to a question in correlation with thread title, that we haven't heard from DeathWish, except his broken down car. I wonder how it went with his latest "project"

There have been no new developments to report. Things seem to be back to normal again. At least that's what I assume...

If you're right with your assumtions then it's good.

Maybe the thread got too long and probabilities kicked in?

Hen's teeth, oh bootylicious one.

How right you are Matty Matt.:o

There are more and more posts in this thread that I don't get.

They're pointing out that Japanese girls (stereotypically) have no tits and arse.

And that manjula is bootylicious.

Move your body up and down (whoo)
Make your booty touch the ground (whoo)
I can't help but wonder why
My vibe's too vibealacious for you babe

Getting a little more serious again. It seems it's not all clear after all. She's supposed to have got her period yesterday, but she hasn't yet. And she's been feeling sick every morning this week.

Again I'm asking you, what do I say to her? Take the test, go to the doctor, etc. is not it. (btw, you have to wait a week after the period was supposed to have started for the test to work anyway) She knows all that and doesn't need to be told again. She knows what's ahead if it turns out she is in fact pregnant. Abortion is her only option, she knows all about it and that's actually what she's most affraid of. She says she doesn't want to go through all that again. Yes, she's had one before already.

Apparently communication between her and the guy isn't at the highest level, she's affraid to tell her parents and I think she's told only one of her girl friends (and I'm not even sure about that) and she has no good ideas anyway. I think the only reason she talks to me about it is because I'm a few years older and supposedly wiser, but I have no idea how to help her.

Turns out that she's not so wise if you say that she had already one abortion. Well nothing so frightening like delayed period. She should wait for one or two days. This happens.

That's what I said, it's only been one day. But she says she's never been late and there's also the morning sickness...

Well, this happens even if it hasn't happened. For that sick thingie I don't know. Maybe she got something. She should wait two days, after that she'll be sure.

Why don't you screw her for a month? At least then she'll know for sure.

Possible psychosomatism?

Again, that's what I said.

Stress can cause a late period.

If she's pregnant and her parents make a fuss, she can tell them that god commanded man and woman to go forth and multiply way before he changed his mind by telling them not to fornicate.

Good one!

Sadly they're totally non-religious.

Maybe she can say that god casted pregnancy on her But if you say they're not religious...

Dr. Leverton says to add her to your ignore list. You don't need to stoop that low to get friends. She's already done this before? She doesn't want to do it again? She should get herself fixed, because she's obviously too stupid to do anything else.

Miran shall respectfully choose to ignore dr. Leverton's advice.

i 2nd Dr. Leverton advise.

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this girl is a joke man.

You are Emma and she is Harriet Smith.

I'll have some links with that, please.

Emma is a novel by Jane Austen

Harriet is Emma's young protégé, whom she is always trying to match-make for.

my professsional opinion is the same as Dr Leverton's. Biatches should be spayed so they don't get pregnant over and over again because they cannot control their need to screw around.

edit: added some more stuff. Fix it again Lennylen

Fixed.

Ah, right. Funny thing. I thought of Jane Austen as soon as I read the names "Emma" and "Harriet" even though I know nothing of her books. Maybe I was forced to learn about her at school and I blocked it out of my memory or something but it stayed in my subconscious. Or maybe they made a really horrible movie based on this novel which again made me lose all memory of it.

Several bad movies based on it, in fact.

It's a little unusual that she is so close to you and not with her other girl friends? Maybe she sees you as a kind of big sister?

Yawn

This thread is becoming less than boring.

See the "Hide Thread" button?

I will never fall for such low provocation.

But I was being serious! Women normally talk to their girlfriends about this before men. Unless she sees you as a soulmate?

she dose not have any girl friends but only one thats in another state and it is a long distance call so the phone bill will be high.

I agree with Richard and Manjula. She either sees you as her big sister or her cuddle biatch. Either way, you gain nothing from this relationship. Doesn't it suck to have such an emotional idiotic friend? I'd find that kinda draining. I'm a chick and even I wouldn't be able to handle all that whining.

What exactly are the benefits of keeping her as a friend?

It makes me feel better about myself when I'm around people who have it worse than me. I sit there and listen to their problems and inside I'm thinking: "Thank god I'm not you."

Was that a good answer?

Doesn't friendship itself count for anything? Since when have relations with friends been so utilitarian?

Exactly!

No, friendship is a two way street. You will find that you will eventually get annoyed and tired once you realize that you are always giving but not receiving. It's a natural reaction, and there is nothing utilitarian about it.

Anyway, this is obviously becoming too much drama for Miran to handle.

no!
you have good friends and you have bad friends. good friends help each other to make it in life. bad friends pull each other down or one pulls the other down.

Piccolo is absolutely right.

I've been saying this for weeks now.

Just for the record, you've only heard one side of the deal in my posts.

tell the girl your vision is kinda funny in your left eye. you see red spots and stuff similar to that. and hint to her that you think your going blind in the eye you got hurt in at the football game. hit to her that you should probably go to the doctor then tell her you hate doctors and stuff. a good friend would encourage you to get it checked out at the hospital. this wont work if she knows you got it checked out already.

my guess is she pay you a little bit of attention then go back to her problems. or she will say "she going to call you back"

Good idea. I have football again next wednesday. I'm gonna talk to her then, when I get injured again.

Heyyyy I've been saying it longer than you have!

Yep, I've had some female friends like that who are very selfish and never did anything in return and didn't ever want to know what was going on in my life. I'm not close to them now..

Hmmm, you seem to appreciate her friendship for some reason, hopefully it's not just "because her sucky life makes me feel better." If we were a computer and given what you have mentioned above, the comments of Leverton, wearetheborg, manjula, piccolo, etc. are very acceptable output. Maybe she's a better friend than your letting on, maybe not.

In highschool, I had a few friends who were kind of like this. They'd talk to me to get mutual advice (never follow it) and rely on my shoulder to cry on afterwards. I was always a dependable source, since I could keep a secret and say things that made them feel better. But, they did invite me to hang around and seemed happy by my presence, which was comforting to me. In the end, we all got separated at the college stage and I'll admit, I miss some of those friendships today.

I still have one "friend that is a girl" (to be politically correct, I suppose), where I email her once or twice a year about what's going on in my life (she emails me back as well). We've always been friends and I've always appreciated that.

I know why. Hopefully his is using it to further relation with other girls. If your not your just wasting it miran.

Yeah, 'cos there's no other reason to be friends with a girl.

Wow, you're a fricken genius. You know everything. I respect you more and more every day!

Ewwwww a geeeeehrl Don't go near her, you'll get cooties

Incidentally - I will never complain about girls again. They're so easy to deal with, you know - compared to COMPUTERS

Not computers fundamentally, just modern computers with the amount of frustratingly bad software around. Transferring my contacts from my old phone to my new phone through my computer was not an experience I would like to repeat.

LennyLen has upgrade his way of thinking. he now understands whats going on as well.

miran remember it is a 2 bladed knife if the stimulation goes away and you don't have a nice bizzy soicle life the affects can be really bad. (like what i said earlier about the phone calling trick.) work quick but by the looks of it i don't think your stimulation will be going any where to soon.

Piccolo: I was a manipulative bastard while you were still in your mother's womb.

edit: illegitimate child is censored.

wow your an old one I never knew we had old school programmers in allegro. I thought the age range was 45-16 . ahh I read stories about the old days, when all women where the definition of kindness.

LennyLen you need to give us some more old school knowledge on the subject.

Once I grew up, I stopped manipulating people*. It just wasn't satisfying any more.

^{* except for in the workplace, where I just have to sometimes}

it almost sound like you use to manipulate people for "fun".:-/ thats not a good reason to manipulate people. your suppose to manipulate people to reach some kind of gold not to get a "high" off it. No wonder in was not satisfying, "high" tend to need more and more of the stimulant to keep reaching the "high" state. manipulate people takes a lot of time, so if your doing it get "high" after awhile the time that is needed to get "high" is not worth it any more.

Yes, I did, which is immature I know, but I stopped when I started to grow up.

There is no supposed to. Sorry, but that's just ludicrous.

I wasn't being serious when I said it no longer satisfied (was that not obvious? I thought it was). In reality, I decided that being manipulative for any reason other than self defence was about as low as you could be, so I just stopped. Mostly because if you do it too much, you lose sight of your own identity. You just become whoever you need to be to win over the situation. Maybe you want to live your life that way, but it started to make me feel sick, and despicable.

I never found that to be the case. Peoiple just seem to trust me for some reason and think I'm extremely innocent. That used to make it very easy for me to abuse their trust in me.

oh i see what you did and what i do are two different things as ar as i see.

I just misread that as "manjulate".

Friendships between women don't mutually work for a number of reasons... One is because they see themselves as different: they see men as enemies and don't think we can understand their problems, etc., etc. and they're raised to be anti-male.

I have been friends with quite a few women and quite honestly I prefer girl friends to guy friends. Guy friends are great if they're actually willing to stand up for you, take a bullet for you, etc., but most won't; especially when it comes down to competition (ESPECIALLY when that competition involves a girl).

With men it's always competition and women always pit you against each other for their own benefit. When you're friends with women though you have different wants for the most part and don't end up competing.

The downside to female friends is that if you get interested in her you're playing with a knife at your heart. What's more, if guys she's interested in see you as competition it also complicates things, etc... And often women just don't fully see guys as friends... Again, they see their problems as different and something that guys can't understand.

Do you ever think before typing?

If you have something to say; say it. Don't be a bitch about it.

Ok, I'll be more direct. That was the stupidest thing I've heard this week.

Either explain in what regard or save your keystrokes. There was nothing stupid about it.

Well, either LennyLen thinks the word "between" should have been "with" and is being really anal about it, or he thinks the whole statement is untrue ...

People vary. There are girls who will just be nice and trust guys like me and so on. There are also girls that won't. As long as nice people give other nice people a chance, without being untrusting by default, then life won't be too bad

Generalizing all women in one statement is, at the least, stupid.

I'm a rather open individual. If a friend asks me a question they can usually expect an honest answer. It depends on my expectations for how they, or others, would react to the truth. Sometimes the truth can get lost in your subconscious as well.

I've had friends open up, but never really fully. By that I mean that I knew there were questions that I simply couldn't expect to get an honest answer to; even though I knew that I would try to be conscious of my reaction. I'd be willing to bet it's similar for you, Bruce.

It's exhausting having to always specify that it's a generalization. I've said it before: nothing is black and white. I agree, it's stupid to generalize like that. However, until I meet a girl or guy that contradict the above I'll stand by it (acknowledging that it's not true for everyone).

I am constantly reviewing my opinions and "generalizations", theories, etc. That one has proven accurate in the past few years so that is where my mind is at right now. Please, offer your own experiences.

So anyone you've never met doesn't exist?

None of my girlfriends, or friends who are females see men as enemies. And I've only come across a couple of women who actually were raised to be anti-male. None of them followed their upbringing though.

It's just an observation. I don't live my life by it.

I've always wanted to know. Why did bamccaig always bold "she" in his previous posts? What does the kid have against that pronoun?:(:o:(:o:(:o:(:o

Who you calling kid?

I have nothing against 'she' or 'her'. I bolded/italicized them because it was poor English to use only she and her, but by avoiding using her name I was pretty much forced to do so. Besides, with regard to other she's and her's, bolding/italicizing those that referred to the girl I was writing about make it clear which ones refer to the main girl of the post verses others that were mentioned.

I wrote the majority of the first post without the emphasis, but during proof reading and revision I realized it was somewhat difficult to follow some parts. Rather than using names I decided to emphasis Her and She to make it more clear. From then on it just seemed best to keep doing it in other posts (and now this other thread) to keep it obvious to those that read the previous post which Her or She I was referring to.

The short answer would be emphasis.

I relate well with xkcd comics

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That would be you.

Respectfully I must say piccolo is wrong this time. You don't want other girls to think you are available to be their cuddle biatches.

Bamccaig is either 20 or 21

OK ill explane. This applys for a guy or girl. When you have some one calling constantly on time it makes you feel a way. Whether or not they are nagging you is not important.
The feeling you get can empower you. You can use this sense of empowerment to confidently talk with other people.

But if you don't make sure your social life is active, when and if they stop calling you; the sense of empowerment goes away and is replaced with something else that is not good for you social heath. You end-up missing the calls that were needed to empower you.

edit: currently my ex is trying this same thing on me. At first she would call very frequently at the same time every day then she reduce the number of calls. Then the other day she uses a new method.

She logged onto yahoo massager to check to see if I was at my computer then she signed off then called me. I did not get to answer it because I head ear-phones on and the phone just beeped. I returned the miss call she did not answer after 3 (2 1/2) rings then i hung-up the phone. She then called back as if was the first one to call her.

I told her I called her to return the miss call I saw on my phone. Then she said "o I made a miss take and dialed your number." I said "I C" then she said " o well I will talk to you latter"

That is good stuff on her part but, I am a watcher so that dose dose not work on me as well. OK Ill re phase. It dose work on me but as a watcher I have a stronger will so I can fight it.
however I do aways have my phone with me even in the bath room and stuff to make sure all calls get to me. But I think I used to do that before this "mess" with my. ex.

do you understand ? fixed

Nope. Sorry for my poor english

I understand perfectly.

I think Piccolo makes perfect sense. Get off your English high horses already Mr Kettle.

Really? Don't you feel the need to have some privacy sometimes? I really don't like having my phone with me all the time, though it's mostly because I keep losing things...

Do you think that cellphone can swim? And I must second Ron - I don't need to have it everywhere, when I miss call I call back. Simple.

yeah I never used to have one or even like them partly because people do things with them that I laugh at, its like a fake (cant find the work I want) boost for some people.

I still don't like them but i had to get one because in America its not safe to not have exspacly if your driving. If you get a flat or get into an accident you will be in deep dodo if you don't have one. Also im a protector type of guy, I need to know if any of my family is in trouble. I am reliable so they will call me if they need help and I will be there.

Now ill give you an example of what I was talking about earlier about the cell phones. This is only one of many why I laugh at the cell phone uses. If you go to youtube you will find many videos of people on their cell phones. My question is why would you take a picture or make a video of you on your cell phone.

here another example: when i first came to America i have to take the bus to school. ok so one time on the bus I was sitting face to face across for theses 2 girl both girls where looking at me. One of the girls programed her phone to ring and answered it as if some one was one the other side.

While she was on the phone she would pause and look at me to see if i was looking. the other girl smiled and in a "man-esh" she took the phone from the other girl and said their aint no one on here why you trying to play.

Why didn't she just lift her skirt and show you her panties? That would have been easier.

I really don't get this one. Why would she fake the phone call? Just to make you look at her? She could simply say hello or something like that. And what's a "man-esh"? Do you mean manly or manlike (with emphasis on male)?

Women don't just flirt with guys they like. They also flirt to empower themselves. There are far too many explanations to limit it to one.

I game this example hoping that it would help you answer the question. Why do people take pictures of them self on the phone?

"man-esh" this was implying that one of the girls was rougher then the other she restrained and took the phone from the other girl.

This thread hurts my head and should be dead unless miran has something to say instead.

I agree with Onewing. A mercy blow to the back of the head is what this thread needs right about now...

Maybe we could just derail it. Who wants to play an epic round of team chess?:-X