I'm very bad with women--I lack the experience. I've also got a bit of social phobia. However, now it's mostly just in situations that are new to me (like those dealing with women).

Well, I asked this beautiful girl named "Amber" out. Of course... it was three months after I met her and it took me a literal hour of pacing to actually get myself to walk over to her and say it. She gladfully gave me her number. I was the happiest man alive. Come New Year Eve, I got fucked up on champagne. And I don't mean "ha ha" drunk, I mean "Oh my god, am I going to die?" drunk--it was so bad. I was coughing up blood. Well, come Monday, I had to call her to tell her I had to work Tuesday so we couldn't go out then. But I got her voicemail. By 7 PM I thought I was sober. I was not. I had a hungover or some such. So the message I left was--while true--very pause ridden and poorly constructed. So... today while talking to a friend he said I should call her back then. Well, following his advice, I did.

And Oh my God, this is what I said when I got her voicemail AGAIN:
"Hey, it's Chris. Uhh.. I was just calling to say that last time I called I thought I was sober. And I apologize. Heh. Uhh... I guess that's it. Have a good night."

I clicked the end button and then came to the "sweet mary mother of fuck, what did I just do?" feeling that I'm sure your feeling too after reading that.

So let's be honest then. I have zero chances with this girl now, right? She works tomorrow and I'm going to try and at least get her to not think I'm an absolute psycho. But I really don't think I have any chance at all of dating her now. Oh my God.

You see, I'm horrible when leaving voice messages because without somewhere there, I have no idea what to say, and worse yet, I don't explain anything. Like what I meant by "I thought I was sober." So now I come off as both an alcoholic and a freaking psycho for not caring that I bluntly told her so.

Oh my God--What have I done?

You drank booze. This is why I never touch the stuff.

Fortunately, "I thought I was sober" will work as a great excuse for your ridiculous behavior in general; if she has any experience with this stuff she may even think it was cute. Just hope she's the forgiving type and say "I'm sorry, I was hung over" over and over and you'll be fine.

And yes, lurkers, Allegro.CC is the place to come for advice on women!

You didn't know when to stop drinking. That's why only responsible persons should drink.

Are you truly that worried because of a simple voice message? Just call her again and explain, it's not like you're the only person in the world with poor social skills. Specially when interacting with the opposite sex.

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Quite right. Giving advice over the Internet to someone you don't know is cheap and easy. Everybody is doing it! Why don't you?

Good luck Chris, just don't over react that's the worst you can do. Just let things go for maybe a week then try contacting her again in a casual way.

23yrold3yrold ... yeah I need a lot of advice

No... you don't understand. I work with her (just different sections). I'll probably end up seeing her tomorrow because I have to turn in my new schedule.

...

I'm going to try and at least explain it tomorrow.

You have to understand: I play to win. If I'm going to drink, I'm going to drink. Or at least... that was my thought process at the time. Too bad, when you play to win with alcohol... you never win. Additionally, nobody bothered to tell me how stupid that was. I've drank plenty of beer, but never champagne. Oh my God, never do that with champagne even if you drink. Remember, I weigh only 115 pounds (which is mostly muscle--not fat) and rarely drink so I have no tolerance.

I'm not going to drink again. I mean, if someone hands me a beer or asks me if I want to go drinking, I'm turning it down.

Hey! What were you just told about overreacting?

Women are generally not THAT shallow...if you've known her for a while she should know that you are not a drunk or a physco...but then again...sometimes they are flighty and run off at the first chance. Does she know that you drink...she should understand that it WAS the NEW YEAR! Lots of people get...well a little over induilged. If she's really that in a hurry to leave you, then it was probably best. What happens if you guys got married...she would probably look for little excuses to leave... There may still be hope, just try not to make too much of a jack ass out of yourself with the calls!

If she wanted to go out with you in the first place chances are she still wants to. Now follow my expert advice:

1. You're uncomfortable when leaving voice mail messages, so stop doing it. Instead call her again later. If she always gives you the voice mail, chances are she is rejecting you but don't have the guts to tell you so. Then you can choose between confronting her or simply moving on to cooler ladies.

2. Gain 20 pounds. It doesn't matter much if it's in fat or muscles. Work out or eat unhealthy food. The latter is easier but has a slightly worse result.

3. Drinking to win is to drink the right amount. It's a game of balance. You should go out drinking more often and check where you have your limit. More or less alcohol intake than this limit => less fun. This will also get you in contact with other ladies in case it don't go well with your work mate.

4. Take it easy. Learn to laugh at your mistakes instead of feeling too bad about them.

Not to mention our numerous volunteer test-subjects for those who need to practice.

Rule of thumb. If you do something really awkward, leave them alone for at least 2 days, preferably 3 before approaching them again.

Add more if they live particularly busy lives.

And don't apologize. Apologizing for being awkward just makes another awkward situation.

And btw I know a bunch of active social people that almost never leave voicemails for exactly this reason.

Wow, you only weigh 3 lbs. more than I do.

Of course, because I am here. Dr. Phil and I go way back.

First off, if you stop drinking she will appear less beautiful. So it's a double edge sword. And also, keep in mind that you might appear just as foolish to her when you are sober. So there really might not be any benefit to stop drinking.

It's a well known fact that women are attracted to drunks. They are fun to be around, but more importantly they are responsible. There's nothing more responsible than dropping half your paycheck on alcohol each week.

Leaving voice messages, whether drunk or sober, is great. Women like to know that they are wanted. In fact, they are delighted when they turn on their phone and find three or four messages from you - especially if they build on each other with more drama.

If you apologize, she'll think you've done something wrong. So don't ever apologize. For instance, if her dog gets run over by a car, and you say, "I'm so sorry. ," she's likely to blame you.

I think your best course of action is get completely wasted, go up to her, and ask her to marry you.

Go get her tiger!

Yay for self-confidence

So where is piccolo when you need him ? There's a guy here desperately longing for the Master's answers...

Golden rule of Alcohol:
One drink is too much, two is enough, three is not enough.

I don't see what the big deal is.

Nope. In fact I understood what you were trying to say perfectly.

You've got nothing to worry about. Don't get yourself all worked up about nothing. Wait until you miss a date, then you can start freaking out. Or worse yet, forget a girlfriend's birthday. That's the worst.

Linky to cheer you up. It's related!

well... blood!? wow. i've never done that. Could it be perhaps you pickled your stomach and kept barfing and barfin and didn't even know it causing major irritation!? I mean wow! Even so haha drunk often results in barfing or something.. if you don't feel sick you're just buzzed

Oh about the girl... don't act weird or "try to hard" but do appear like you got your shit together. I dunno what else to say. If you went out with her that night and totally got drunk and wandered off and left her alone she won't be too impressed. She sounds like a nice girl. I have no idea how you can make a case to her (i don't know her and what's she's like) but shit man... we're talking she has to feel "special" and not the "make-up-for-being-an-idiot" special. She has to know you're legit and not some repeat offender.

You are overreacting a tad..

Oh dear. You have a lot to learn young jedi!!

That's why I only do Jägermeister. You can't get fucked up on Jägermeister. Just don't switch to clear spirits in the middle of an evening or you're going to lose control and wake up next to a woman 6 years older... Though that was kind of fun per se...

Haha. That's a funny hypothetical situation you just described

Well that explains jhuuskon's avatar! \o/

Nothing wrong with that

It depends on the ellipsis after older. If it's a woman 6 years older... than the Queen Mother (british), then...

Well then i was 22 and she was 28... Though i haven't heard of her since...

If the girl refuses to talk to you on the grounds that you phoned her drunk after a New Years celebration, she's probably not worth it. That said, 'playing to win' is not the right way to approach drinking. It's childish.

That attitude is unfortunately common in England..

I'm now a bit older and more concerned with having a good time with friends than with how many drinks I can drink.

This must be part of my lack of social prowess; the only info I see is that she's beautiful, called Amber and doesn't hesitate to give out her phone number — but in the head of a pro, it all translates into someone nice. Just wow.

Epsi: For now, see my sig.
(And you too, CK!)

Sporus: This was the key line:

If accurate (we all know how we see when we want to..), then she is interested in Chris and I think it very unlikely that this drunken message will stop her wanting to see him. If it did, then she would probably not be right for him and be a bit shallow as others have said.

She may even have been flattered by the attention, as she knows he was thinking about her.

Good luck Chris!

The biggest thing I've learnt about women is that when you try to explain yourself out of trouble, you just get into more trouble. That's why you should stop getting your knickers in a twist. All this worrying will work against you. It was new year's eve for god's sake. People get drunk on new year's eve. She probably got drunk too.

Just go to work and pretend nothing happened. Look sharp and act normal. And if she ends up with some other dude, get over it. There are plenty more hoes where she came from.

I hope you realize you're still not sober if you're coming here for advice/support.

You will have dozens of failures for every success. Learn from your mistakes and don't despair. And remember, no matter how beautiful, intelligent or cute the girl you are looking at right now is, you will meet another even more beautiful, intelligent or cute next month. Just ask married people.

I did, and the only responses I got was "Who the hell is Chris 'Deathwish' Katko?"

Chris: As for leaving voice messages, I found it helped a lot to write the message down in advance, so when the machine picks up and beeps, all you have to do is read it out loud. You probably can tell that I'm not a person who is very fond of leaving such messages myself.

I just read once again your story, and I couldn't find anything in it that you could be regretful about. If she thinks you behaved like a jerk, she most sure will think you are a jerk in the future, too. Or you could go on trying your best not to behave like you want to behave, just to satisfy her.

Then she is very stupid. I mean, if she forms her opinion on whether you apologize or not. You really should expect her to answer the apology with something: "Don't even think about it" or "For what?". But if you see the slightest nuance of "Great, now I have a hook on him" in her reaction, run. Run fast!

You obviously didn't get the overall tone of Matthew's post .

Well, in the end, I did exactly what Matthew told me. Thanks Matthew! I walked right up to her and said "Look here, hoe. I'll do whatever I darn 'tooten please. Make me a sandwedge." It worked beautifully. I've even got this cool certificate that says something like "order" on it. I can't recall the first word, something with an "r." I don't know. But the day went very well!

...

I want opinions from people with different perspectives than my own. I'm not going to wholeheartedly take anyones advice.

That's what I have trouble with. I know for a fact that it's true but I seem to be very short-sighted at times thinking "if I bomb this, I'm screwed for who-knows-how-long." Which just makes me nervous and actually does adversely affect me.

That's not a bad idea. Though, I think I just need practice.

With all of this, I'm not screwing up because I'm crazy and I've got a few screws loose. Well... I am a little crazy, but that's in regard completely different things--not women. I'm screwing up because, well, I have no experience with women due to uncontrollable circumstances of my raising. So all I really need to do is try my best. I just need to try.

Now for the update: I went into work today and it turns out she hasn't checked her voicemail yet. So I explained a little that I'm not good at leaving messages so they'll probably seem a little funny. So she said she'd be sure to listen to them for the laugh. Hah. She also said to call her.

One of my problems is that I try to reherse things in my mind beforehand, but then I get so caught up in memorizing what I need to say I end up getting nervous thinking "what if I forget." I've got to find a way to get myself to wing everything. It always turns out better that way.

Sorry to hear that it didn't work out.

That's rough, but I've beat that. I've been so drunk that I've professed my undying love for a lesbian and tried to convince her to be straight. I had a hang over for two days after that.
I would recommend telling her the flat out truth, of course. Tell her you were really hung over and that you apologize and feel bad for calling her (if you do ). I've called my gf a couple times in the wee hours of the morning and said a ton of stupid shit. One time I called her from my cell phone when I was in the pool. With the cell phone... I also lost that cellphone later that night. Along with my credit card. The credit card showed up the next morning in the middle of the road where I had a drunken wrestling match with my cousin and a friend on the cement. I had cuts and scrapes everywhere.

My new years resolution is to quit drinking (and has been since new years, not since this post ). I had two corona's and some wine on new years eve, and don't intend on drinking until our next office party

I have spent so much money on alcohol. At one point I was spending close to $1,000 per month. $5/beer at the casino, 8 beers = $40, 3-6 days per week = ~$160 * 4 = $640 + a case of rickards per week ($34).
Of course, when you're buying in for $400 per night and often winning or losing thousands, you don't really notice it there... but I certainly do now!

All I have to show for the thousands of dollars I've spent on booze is the receipts for the horrible, expensive mistakes I've made while doing it. I quit.

Oh yeah.. and I got the nick name Andy Garcia, too. At an office christmas party, after about 10 beers, we played a game for some little prizes and I won a little felt pouch. It reminded me of the movie Half Baked where the guy buys "Jerry Garcia in a bag.. man" and he got it from "Andia Garcia, his brother.. man", so for the majority of the night I was pissed up saying "Hey man, I got Andy Garcia in a bag, man.. yeah!" in my best slurred impersonation of a stoner...
Made an ass of myself at the last office party too (well, the one before last).. got all drunk, played DDR, and was beating everyone in VS mode even while on a difficulty above them. So I said "Hey! I'll even kick your ass while chugging a beer"... and I did! But as soon as the song was over, and the beer, I ran to the bathroom to vomit.
Total. Mess. I missed the toilet completely and it was very projectile.
When someone asked "Where did he puke?" my bosses wife (who insisted on cleaning it up when I asked for some cleaning supplies) said "It would be easier to tell you where he DIDN'T puke"

Booze sucks.

If you sprinkle a few "like"s, "omg"s, and "lo.l"s around your story you could, like, totally have like, an awesome livejournal entry.

ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CHALLEEEENNNNNGGGEEE!!!!??!?

thats rough but ive like totally beat that omg lol
ive been like so totally drunk that ive asked out a les lol and tried to convince her 2 b str8 lol
i had a hang over for two days lol
i wud tell her the truth
tell her u got 2 totally smashed the night before lol and were like so fucking hung over
apologize and feel bad for calling her
omg ive called my gf a couple times in the wee hours of the morning and said a ton of stupid shit
1 time i called her from my cell phone when i was in the pool with the cell phone
later i lost that cellphone that night with my credit card
the credit card showed up the next morning in the middle of the road where i totally had a drunken wrestling match with my cuz and a friend on the cement i had like sooo many cuts and scrapes lol

k
takin 2 long 2 do the rest thx

Oh, I was referring to Chris's original post, but I guess its still funny :p.

DAMMIT! I should have realized that from the wording in your post. My post wasn't really.. a story. It was like, totally a rant omg.

nm

shoots valley girl derezo

Unless she's a tea-totaller, you've got nothing to worry about. In fact, what you've done is shown her that even though you do have your uncontrolled moments (the 1st voicemail), it's just something that happens from time to time and is not a core part of what you are (the 2nd voicemail). Humans are not meant to be perfect.

As others have already said, that sort of thing can appear cute under the right circumstances. The trick is to not keep harping on about how you made a voicemail that you regret. Just don't mention it or you might come accross as being insecure. If you pretend it didn't happen, she'll think nothing of it and you'll be more likely to come accross as being cool.

AE.

PS.

You know you're getting old when a 6 year age-difference does not seem like anything to worry about.

Are you certain that was a hangover?

Is there a text-filter around that does this automatically? It could be based on a valley-girl filter with an added sprinkling of l0ls and 0MGs.

Felt like a hangover, but it was probably alcohol poisoning. The two of us finished 36 beers, a mickey of southern comfort and 26oz of Blue Curacao

A mickey?

Ewwwwww.

Blue Curacao + Lemonade + 7up = mmMMmm...

Apparently Mickey is a Canadian term I had no idea.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mickey

375ml bottle.

Curacao mixed is fine yeah, I know a few good drinks that have it as an ingredient (I've created some apalling cocktails with it too I must add). i thought you were drinking it straight, which is bleh.

What do you mean by lemonade? here, we call 7up lemonade.

You call 7up lemonade? Weird...

lem·on·ade (lěm'ə-nād')
n. A drink made of lemon juice, water, and sugar.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lemonade

Blue Curacao straight is pretty gross. That's like eating cool-aid without adding water!

Not so weird if you look at the first definitoin from your link.

Heh, i don't know if it's them or the general consensus about these things but my friends said i was a grave-robber.

28 is not old..

If the man is older than the woman, and she is at least 18, then everything is cool. Anything else is wrong!

Tar and feather Ashton Kutcher!

Has a nice ring to it...

Any reason why 18?

Lenny: I don't know how in USA but here 15 is enough. I think that was what you meant.

I don't make the cosmic laws, I just live by them!

You need more ambition ! Aim for Judge Dredd

While my mind is normally in the gutter, for some reason I thought you were talking about dating, not sex, so I wasn't thinking in terms of legality. I though you perhaps stated 18 for some ethical reason.

You could always move to another country. There aren't many that have an age of consent as high as America's. I believe the worldwide average is 16.

I'd rather tar and feather Justin Timberlake...

What? No! He's bringin' sexy back!

I didn't even know sexy was gone!?

I'm not.

I used to drink quite a bit, and have had a couple women in the last few years come up to me and "remind" me that I'd asked to marry them years ago and when they turned me down I'd promised to wait for them forever, and they're ready to marry me now. But I don't remember "asking" them (And I wouldn't forget something like that w/o a case of beer in me), whether I was serious or just trying to get some I don't know.

I was laughing my @ss off up there. Derezo, yo' da man.

This is the best thread of 2007, and it's only Jan 4th.

Chris, you need to start treating the girl like dirt, make her think your're pissed off at her and be mean. Alternate that with lots of sex stares. Then the next thing you know, she'll be tearing your clothes off. [/channeling piccolo]

Oh, they are like, SO yesterday!

I'm not bragging or saying I have any kind of chance, but I saw Cameron Diaz a few days before I heard anything about a breakup.... I wasn't even aware she was dating someone as she was acting like a flirty bachelorette.... I don't even remember the rest of that night but I do remember being dragged out a back door and getting tossed onto my friends car

So ... you caused the breakup?

Not what I meant..... but I just talked to her and.. OK I was bragging....

Here in Michigan the age of consent is 16... Though it varies from state to state.

Bad question, let's ask "Oh no, what I'm going to do?" Applies for you and even for me, though from different reasons.

Here in North Carolina also. But they can still bust you for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, assuming you survive the fathers shotgun.

Here in England the age of consent is 16 but in certain council house cities like Newcastle and Nottingham the usually accepted age is 13.

How in blazes did you manage to get drunk on champagne?!
I usually get utterly sick (figuratively) of the stuff (or wine in general) before I'm close to getting drunk.
On new year's eve we had more bottles than people at the start of the evening, and none left by the end of it the following morning - which wasn't enough to get drunk on. Just how much did you drink?

Anyway, about this sort of thing, don't make a big deal out of it, or at least don't show that you do.

I can't count how many times I've hadd to evict patrons (usually women) for getting too drunk after just one or two glasses of bubbles. You see it a lot at christmas parties when people who don't normally drink have the obligatory glass or two.

We had one woman this christmas, who after just two glasses, straddled one of her male co-workers ona couch and started vigourously grinding him with her skirt up around her waist. It probably would have got more interesting, but we had families with children didning as well, so we had to seperate them.

Actually, I feel very sorry for her. All her workmates quickly got their camera-phones out and started taking photos. Apparantly she's one of those meek and innocent types who cries when someone steps ona spider. I bet she got hell at work the next day.

Append: I have no problems with red wine at all, but white wine (especially a sweet reisling or gewurtz) can sometimes go to my head rather quickly. I've never drunk more than a single glass of champgane at once as I can't stand the stuff, so I can't comment there.

I've read that the champagne bubbles tend to break up some sort of mucus lining in the stomach, so the alcohol can be absorbed more readily. I don't know if beer does this as well, but beer foam isn't very "wet" if you know what I mean. I personally remember drinking large amounts of hard liquor, and not getting very drunk until I then drank some beer.

Oy!!

How'd I get drunk on champagne? Easy. Let's have a look:

I don't normally drink (rare occasion only)
I drank 3 full large plastic cups of champagne
I did it in 30 minutes
I weigh only 115 lbs (52 kg).

I had a bad night, New Years Eye. I couldn't feel my arms, I could ever-so-slightly see, I was hyperventilating and in between that I was vomiting a lot. And then later coughing up blood...

Did I mention those things already? I don't remember.

That's it, I'm moving to England!

SSC, you can be a paedophile anywhere in the world.

But not legally!

Here's hoping you've learnt something recently and that we won't see you posting the full names (and ages) of the girls you meet.

Actually, sexually and marriage wise, the age is 16. By law, a person can consent to have intercourse at 16 and if the parent tries to press rape charges but the girl/boy says they consented the charges are thrown out. Now for marriage, the 16 year old need to have parents signature and approval to get married. The law as written has to many loops and holes in it.

In every case I've seen where a minor has sex with an adult, the adult gets sent to jail( even if the "adult" is only 18 themselves).

Well I did say that there a loops and holes in the law. But the law is that if the 16 year old consents to sex then it is legal and not rape. Otherwise it is rape and molestation.

Statutory Rape. The law is not as black and white as you seem to believe.

Which, BTW, is stupid IMO. If at 16 you're too young to decide if you want to have sex with someone, how the hell do you get to drive a car? I mean, if answering a simple yes/no question is beyond you, in what way are you qualified to operate a machine that kills millions of people every year!?

See, that's the part I don't understand. I can't drink three glasses of wine in half an hour - drinking wine so rapidly makes it taste horrible. Well, I suppose I could thrown it to the back of my throat and swallow without tasting, but there's no real point in doing that unless you want to get drunk (which is really the only reason to drink wine at that rate).
Also, champagne from plastic cups? You deserve what you got for that sin alone!

It was New Years Eve and thanks to one of my friends, all of our plans were going downhill fast. 15 minutes before the New Year and it was just getting awkward, so I think, "To hell with you guys, I'm at least getting something out of it." After the first cup I was drunk, the second one I couldn't taste, and the third one I felt too drunk to finish with about an inch left. But being raised to finish what's on my plate, I down the last bit. In retrospect, I probably could have been trashed off just one cup...

I am so jealous...

I have to drink 5 beers before I can get any sort of buzz at all.

Thats almost 40 bucks at a concert! (USD)

I had such a horrible hangover only once in my life, but that was nearly a litre of vodka. And the only bad thing I felt was nausea. After that I limit my New Years Eve to a mere bottle of good champagne.

I'd advise you all to stay away of those cheap high-voltage beers in big bottles. I bet they have loads of congeners, speaking from my experience. You have one, they're fine, two make sick even me.

I'm sorry but... That after 3 cups of cham-paggen? haha

I had something in the order of 10 drinks last night (i can't be sure at all). Quite little, come to think of it..

Saturday is amateur's night and pro's on sunday, but students can drink any night they want.

There's nothing cool about being able to drink more. It just means you've done more damage to your organs over the years.

I never said it's cool. It's just easier to have a good time without drinking yourself incapacitated.

It's cheaper if you don't need to drink much though.

Champagne can actually go to your head rather more quickly than normal wine does. Still, if you drink wine rapidly enough to become dizzy of one glass, you're wasting it completely (ie, not enjoying it).

All those brain cells will die in vain if you drink wine. To give them a glorious death, consume Jägermeister.

Jägermeister is for sissies. Drink Gammeldansk!

Drink whatever you like, just be sure to do it through the eye rather than the inefficient mouth/stomach!

So Chris, how did she react when you talked to her at work?

Or snort it! A few years ago, before they started promoting sensible drinking like they do now, I was a regular at one bar. The owner had a trick he used to like playing on big guys who were bragging about how much they can drink (and this only seems to work well on large muscular people. Rugby players were our favourite). He'd pour whiskey onto a teaspoon, and then either snort it himself, or if one of the weedy kids like me was around, he'd get one of us to do it. Then he'd pour one for the braggart and challenge him to do it. Nine times out of ten, the guy would be in nighty-night land in seconds.

And how come it didn't do the same to the owner, or the other staff?

I'm guessing it has something to do with nasal passages of sportspeople being more effective.

edit: Oh, and the owner told me he learnt that trick in the German army. This particular bar was a recreation of the Hofbräuhaus. It was such a fun place. They did'nt give a damn about underage drinking.

Everywhere the same as I see

Times have changed now. It's even possible that I shouldn't have said those were fun times, since as someone who holds a current liquor licence, that could be construed as promoting underage drinking.

Well here those people are in danger of big fees, but as long as it's not on frequented street and they see profit, they'll give you beer. But this is not my problem anymore. I must admit that I'm very proud when they ask me for my ID.

I suspect that still happens here in suburban bars, but I know, from a friend who works in the council licencing department, that they're about to do a crackdown on those. I work in the CBD, we've just had the annual christmas-time crackdown.

If I were to get asked for ID, I'd be flattered that they think I look so young.

They hardly ever do. Bastards. I'm 18, I swear!

Lenny: of course, next year I'll be flattered too I think, but for now I just enjoy it.

I just remembered one joke about this:
"Are you 18?"
"Yes "
"Show me your ID."
"It's from 15 years age..."

OICW, I actually managed to get into a restaurant that way. It went:
"Are you 20?"
"Yes."
"Let me see your ID. Hm, it says you're 18."
"But it's two years old."
"Ok, then."

Well, he wasn't stupid. He only never had heard the joke and he had a laugh. This was 20 years ago!

A friend of mine used this variant to get in two weeks before his 18th birthday:
"Show me your ID"
"My 18th birthday was the talk of town and you ask me for ID?"
"I'm a bit older than to here those news. Now let's see that ID"
"OK"
"Hmm...1985"
"Yeah. See? 2003 - 1985 = 18"
"Hmm..yeah. You're right. Go on in then."

In Finland the only real age limit in establishments is 18. Anything above that is face control.

Yes. They might even have a sign that says K20 or K22 or whatever, but that doesn't prevent them from letting younger people in. If they are only over 18. And have a face like me.

One buddy of mine just went up to the bouncer and said something like "well, I'm here" like he'd been invited by the owner, or something. The bouncer got all confused and let him in without asking for ID.

Well I don't know how in other states, but here you can drink from 18 years.

Johan: that's a good one. Reminds me a story friend told me.

He was with friend in a pub and they asked for beer. The barman said just "Eighteen"
And the buddy told: "Yes, I'm give me the beer" This continued for few seconds till the other buddy told the first: "Hey, he's not asking 'bout your age, but for money."

I don't recall where I left off. I talked to her and it turns out she hadn't actually listened to her voicemail since Saturday. So I lucked out. She even mentioned as I was leaving to call her.

But that's where it ends. She has never returned or even answered a phonecall. She makes no sense whatsoever. And I'm just so bloody tired of expelling energy on thinking about it. I've come to the conclusion that whatever it is, it's on her end--not mine. I've done nothing but be a little quirky on a voicemail. If she's that shallow, that's her problem--not mine.

Additionally, I think she might be going through some emotional stuff right now. So I'm seriously contemplating throwing her on the "friends" bracket. There's no way I'd date a girl who's emotionally unstable. It doesn't just work. Unless you're just in it for the short-term sex--but I'm not, not in the least.

Everything in Ontario here is 19 years (other than pr0n, which is 18). I bought beer when I was 18 and I swear the cashier was just incapable of basic math and was too embarrassed. I simply gave her my ID (which said I was born April 23, 1985. It was Early April 2004) and she stared at it for SO long. More than 30 seconds. She handed it back to me and fetched my beer
I tried twice more at the same store during that period before my birthday and got a different employee each time. I was refused once, so the success rate was about 66%

It doesn't just work, it works.

On a more serious note, I sort of know the feeling The circumstances are very different, but someone I thought I was in love with violently rejected me for reasons she hardly touched on. I'm still vaguely hoping - but I knew her for a year first, and she speaks Japanese!

Well, if she asked you to call her twice then it does sound like she is interested. I'd wait a while and then try again and see if you get more of a response. Maybe she needs needs some space with other things going on in her life..

At least I'm not only one in this world with this problem.