It's not polite to not read more then 5% of the thread's text either, like 100% of the repliers did. Furthermore, I couldn't have done that if this forum didn't let you edit posts, which is a totally insane feature.

Good. What's the point in keeping a thread when nobody reads it or even tries to understand it before posting their crap? I didn't expect a freakin' "solution". This is a forum. Where you discuss stuff. I am sure that some people here are in the same (or at least similar) situation and could tell their story. Then again, maybe they are too wimpy for that.

A forum for a game library shouldn't contain too many MTV kids with anime avatars. At least that was what I thought.

I read the whole thread. One of your sentences was:

Sounds like a question to me. Possibly one where you wanted answers to.

And still you use it? I don't get it...

Is that what you wanted in the first place? Why didn't you simply ask for that?

For the sake of whatever, please refrain from verbally attacking people here.

I am pretty sure that should have been an insult too, so the above also fits here.

edit: and yes, I know I have just fed the troll, but I was afraid it would starve...;)

edit2: OMG, I edited......:o.....evil.....

You assume wrong. I, for one, read all your post.

I have been around for a couple of years, and people barely complain about being able to edit a post. From time to time they complain about not being able to post if they have been the last one to post, but being able to bump a thread and edition is enough and far better than being able to write three consecutive posts.

You ended your original post with *waits for the expected reactions*. I believe the expected reactions appeared. Some people tried to give you advice, some others posted their own experiences, yet others had fun. Choose a random off-topic thread with more than a couple of replies and you will notice the same behaviour.

Posting your pic instead of an anime avatar doesn't make you more mature. Derezo has a Homer avatar, and you will hardly find someone knowing hardware better in this community. 23 has his Optimus Prime avatar and he is one of the best STL helpers. X-G has a hand drawn avatar, and (although sometimes I wonder how many punches in the face he gets per day at school) is one of the most knowledgeable members.

I am not sure if this is the first forum you ever join. If it wasn't, you should have already learned there are different kind of people in there, and not everyone will react the same way you do. This site allows custom javascript. Or you could use Mozilla's GreaseMonkey or Opera's UserScript to hide posts of those you don't like listening to. But be warned, if you don't change, you will only see your posts in the threads.

That's a logic error I don't know the name of. "It's you're fault because you didn't make it hard for me to do wrong."

I read 100% of your post, which was the main reason for not responding to it. It was phrased in a way that clearly showed that you will dismiss any answers you get.

I recommend that you change your attitude, or leave - for yours and ours sake.

I believe it's also not polite to turn down people's advice in a negative manner when you come to them for advice in the first place. You said you get fired from McDonald's for being rude to people and spitting in their food. If you took up more of a positive attitude around people in general, you wouldn't be getting the sack of crap in life. Your life is very strongly influenced by the people around you, especially those who have the power to improve your standard of life. If you don't treat those people with necessary respect, they wouldn't have any reason to respect you. The only thing you are doing here is giving people less reason to help you out. Frankly, I'm quite surprised you even came for help in the first place if you were "expecting" those reactions.

Dwelling on it won't make it go away. This community doesn't need an emo corner, much less the world. Why did you post your problems here? If you were expecting something of an emofest, may I suggest googling "Emo Forums"?

I'd rather have people help me figure out a way to end my suffering than to increase it by sharing pains.

Nobody here is too wimpy, they just strive to be happy. Nothing wrong with being happy. You need to change your worldview.

Granted my post in the other thread was probably the most harsh, but at that point it was obvious you were spurning genuine attempts to help/advise so I chose a more severe tactic of questioning your base assumptions. Obviously it didn't work.

I do take issue with your claiming 'no one read your posts'. We all read it. Playing the victim in life is never a good solution. Your behavior is very questionable. Like others said if your looking for sympathy, go elsewhere.

edit; oh and what major forum software DOESN"T allow you to edit posts? None that I've seen.

I also read your entire post, when I gave you my sincere advise you practically told me that I was retarded.

Hehehehe this is funny.

Totally.

I can only think of one person with an anime avatar, and he speaks Japanese and stuff, so it's appropriate.

What exactly is an MTV avatar?

Is it just me, or does this guy hate everything?

Nah, he doesn't hate everything. I've seen this before. He just hates us since we are mean and he a vulnerable guy to pick on. It's fun to pick on him because he gets mad so easily.

Oh... well that isn't very nice! Hey, how bout from now on, we all pick on me?

Jonny, you're cool! It's only fun picking on losers.

Someone thinks I'm cool! Hooray!
But still... I'm against picking even more so if it's on a so-called "loser" (which I don't think he is). Shouldn't we give him love and support to help him through his hard times?
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(I have a feeling no one will agree with me on this...)

NyanKoneko, I must say, You rule.

I love you all, Group Hug!

Awwww!

And you guys think I'm depressed and messed up, this guy takes the cake . We all read your thread, did you read your own thread? You asked for advice/answers/reactions, we gave them. Just because YOU don't like REAL advice does not mean we're narrow minded rednecks who don't know any better.

Many of us have gone through the same "problems" and then some, but we grew up and learned. You should try doing that.

Oh, and I've been meaning to ask: where'd redneck come from? Most people here don't even live in the US! (I'm assuming that's what the term is targeted at.)

That's your picture you're displaying isn't it?

Crap!

As SSC said, some of us are older and have gone through the same problems you have. For instance, I'd REALLY like to work on Shareware games full time, but I need to work full-time and do games in my spare time in order to survive. But that doesn't mean I'm neccessarily happy about it!

For me it seems he thinks he is the only one who is always right, no matter what everyone else say.

You can say that again

Posting your pic instead of an anime avatar doesn't make you less mature, either. But when you're the witch-king, it does serve for threat value!

About the "insane" edit button:
Why don't we ban knives? They could hurt people!

I say it's a useful feature to being able to edit one's own posts, but it can also abused like everything else. If you don't like it, then don't use it and that's it.

Ahem

And this is not my real picture. Everyone knows a nazgul is an specter without shape, unless he needs to travel the land, in which he changes into a rider physical form, but is still a corrupted specter

Um, no, that's me

But quite honestly I've no idea what this thread is about. After checking this guys previous posts, I'm not even sure why he continues to post here?

I agree that most of the replies to Kimmo's post were less than helpful. The guy is in a bad way - sarcastic comments on his situation aren't exactly going to help him 'get over it'. We all know that when someone is angry and upset, the things they don't need to hear are:
"Hey, you are angry and upset - take my crumby advice and everything will get better", or
"Hey, you are angry and upset - too bad", or
"Hey, you're angry and upset - by the way, I think you suck!"
I know that if I'm even a little bit angry, and someone says: "You're getting angry" - that can make me get angry. I can try to ignore it, but my point is that it is anti-helpful.
You need to exercise some tact in these situations. Maybe you don't know what to say to help, that's ok, just don't say the things that make it worse. This is a forum - you have heaps of time to think about your reply before you let it fly. Obviously Kimmo is in an unstable situation, so put some time in to think about tact.

So what is the best way to deal with depressive people? Not saying anything at all? Completely ignoring them?

I can't see, where anybody said "do this and everything will get better", i think people were merely giving some advice or sharing their experiences and left it open to him to decide, whether this would "make everything better" or not.

I agree about those kinds of answers. They are extremely counter-constructive and not helpful at all. I got(and still get) very upset about answers like those myself, when i am the one who's complaining about something.(But "complaining", in this case, most probably does not do justice to the situation he feels, he is in. I don't know a more appropriate word for this.)

I was only trying to help, i should have known better, that it is impossible to help someone with a serious depression.

The only thing I'm going to say is that I've read the whole original thread and gave you expected answers, because there are no other possible answers to that request. You should think about yourself and about your self respect if you allow you to sit at home, do nothing and complain how unfair life is. Have you even tried to live? (rhetorical question).

Well this more than one thing.

I fear I've missed out on something good. Can someone post the original message.

Neil.

Read the two recent "Frustration"-threads with the red heads...:)

I guess I don't count to that 100% as I think I mostly responded to posts by others. Anyway, yes, I did read it.

You didn't get one. You got advice on how to find one.

My advice would be to try to work on your social skills. It's not easy to get that going but once you have started on it it becomes easier. In my opinion that's the only long term solution to your problems.
A good place to start is to stop swearing every other word.

I want to believe that after all this Kimmo won't be coming back.

My avatar is Daigotsu as Bob Ross!

I've got 3 possible solutions for Kimmo:
1- Finally do something right and manage to take your own life - worst one.
2- Get a life, instead of posting stupid things where you don't even care about the answears, go study, get smart, then go get a job.
3- Go find another forum and post there, people aren't suposed to help you or anything, if it only was a doubt on coding or something - best one.

With all my regards Kimmo, good luck.

To honor Bob, you could add some "misty areas", which he seemed to like very much.;D

Yes. And happy little sakura trees, and pretty little duelists. Maybe they live there. And happy oni tearing them to pieces...

http://www.monkeyblah.com/art/daigotsu-watercolor-hour.png

Bob Ross was cool.

Heh, are you posting in right topic?

This thread is a wasteland anyway. Might as well put it to good use!

Still, he should have a mountain in his picture.

Of course I know, I tried to be ironical but I failed

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No mountains.

Still you could add one. Just make one up like Bob did.

I think I saw that guy on TV when I was like, 3 or something.

What is the card game that card belongs to?
And one personal question X-G: why you have "suspended" above your number?

because he's hovering 3 feet above the air... ha

Legend of the Five Rings.

It means I float gently a few feet above the ground.

Ah Legend of Five Rings I've heard of it. The second, I don't fully understand what you mean (I fully understand what does suspended mean, even your reply, but I did'n get the secret meaning), but I think it's allright.

Looks like a wanky pretentious yu-gi-oh card to me

Anyway, back on topic, sounds a bit Kimmo can't handle the change from school to real-life to me.

Neil.

Yep and stoned!;D I tried to imitate his style once, slapping colors on the canvas using a wacom tablet. It came out crap, of course:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/crapross.png
(maybe because i also forgot the "misty areas", the tree does not have a "friend" and there's no "peaceful little path" leading to some "secret place" that "i don't know" but it this is "my world" and i can have what i want there and as X-G already said "maybe it lives there".:))

Just like me...8-)

I've said it before and I'll say it again; X-G your art is awesome.

Yes it is!
I wish I could do that. I'd make a great game in that style.

And no doubt you'd clam up if people ask you how you did it

Neil.

Actually, I don't think you did too badly. You may have challenged some of his views, but you never took a jab at him. The problem is that the other posts would have put him in a bad frame of mind, so that it doesn't really matter much what you say - it'll all look bad.

The guy spills his guts in front of us, and miran rushes in to get first reply with: "Yeah, you got it so bad. Is there a reason to go on anyway?". Stupid thing to say. His doesn't exactly 'redeem himself' with his second post either. After a blow like that, Kimmo would have started trying to pack his guts back in - if you know what I mean.
Some of our posts were ok, but most of them were just taking jabs at him, and that basically shrouds the whole thing in hostility.
One way to understand what I'm talking about is to imagine we are all in a house together, all of us allegro people - in the flesh. We're just sitting around on the couches, drinking tea, eatting lunch, minding our own business more or less. Kimmo comes in and indicates that he's feeling down. We already know that he is feeling down because we are in the house with him and we can see it, so for him to actually say something about it must mean that it is quite bad. The first comment cuts his skin, so he hits back a little (metaphorically speaking); pretty soon everyone is shouting - so even though some good things are being said, no one really hears them over the shouting.
If it is difficult for you to imagine how the house situation would play out, then prehaps your social skills aren't up to scratch.
To Kimmo, the personal attacks are higher priority than the maybe useful comments. The maybe useful comments require some thought; thought which they will not be getting, because of all the personal attacks hogging the processor.

There are probably a lot of people here who have fairly crappy lives; and one way to deal with a crappy life is to put yourself above others.
It's a bit like the old prisoners' dilemma: if we help each other then we are all better off, but the best result for the individual comes from to backstabbing.

Actually, I have a great life because I am above everyone else.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, people probably look at me and are like, "Wow, she's so awesome, I wish I could be like her." Then they pretend to be awesome, even though they'll never be more awesome than I am. It makes sense. I'm everybody's role model.

Aren't you a man?

Ever seen her desktop?

NyanKoneko: Are you a foxxxy mama?

Why yes! Yes I am.

Prove it! The picture in your bio is way too small.

Her desktop. It is good to contemplate it from time to time, to realize how lucky we have been, born male and with taste

Actually ... I know a guy who would have a desktop like that

Bob Ross AND Nyan Rule.

edit: Whenever I was flipping channels and His show was on PBS, I'd immediatly stop and gawk at how he can just paint an entire landscape in a half hour...

This is a screenshot of my new laptop.

While we're at it, heres a new screen shot of my dual display setup. Its a little big, 500KB+.

Wait a minute, you're running linux on one monitor and windows on another... with one computer!?

MY HEAD ASPLODE!!!

Not quite I have a program called krdc (which is using rdesktop, a terminal services client) running full screen on my second monitor, connected to my mini-itx box that has xp running on it Its so much more convineient than a KVM or a desk big enough for two sets of mice/keyboards.

Now, once those new CPUs with the virtualization extensions are out and cheap enough, you'll beable to run two OS's like that no problem (thats my guess anyhow).

edit:
What sucks though, is I had to modify krdc to properly fullscreen on my second monitor didnt take much though. Which makes me wonder why it wasn't already included...

Nyan: Awww it's so cute! Make sure you don't use the computer though, you might wake it up.

...

Personally I like to use my second monitor as extra window space. I'll throw stuff over there when I need to see it and something else, such as some web documentation on primary and my code on the second monitor. It's way easier than trying to cram both windows on one screen.
But I also occasionally use Cygwin/X to do a remote desktop of my linux slave machine. Only problem there is that it won't go full screen...

Now let's see here, I better add something useful to this most:

TIP OF THE DAY: SciTE supports tabs, didn'tcha know? Just drag another document on to it and BANG new tab. Good bye MSVC.

Two displays, what a pleasure to have two of them, I want them
That art question I like ilustrations on Magic cards from John Avon. Dennis I like your picture and that one from X-G too.

Good to know, i'm not the only one seeing it like that.
I never saw it like you described with the IRL house situation, but that mind-experiment(very cold to call it like that but i don't know a better word), i think could be very accurately describing what has happened here.

So true.

I used to have two monitors but after some time, i realized i never used the second one and so it got thrown out for the sake of more free desk space.

Thanks, i also like X-G's art, but telling him, his art is great, used to make him angry(in the past, don't know if it's still like that) and he would say "nah, it's not, here's a flaw, there's a flaw, flaws everywhere".;D

That's why I have only said that I like it

Not really. I fond it was jsut too much work with different resolutions, too ugly with non-like monitors, and just too much space with two sufficiently large monitors (you can be reading something on one side of the desk and completely miss something on the other). SO one big monitor at 1600x1200 is enough for me. The 1920x1200 is nice, but still pretty big.

I have one option how to do that - connect my laptop to TV but there I cannot read anything. But I'd like to have two identical LCD pannels on my desk (I would need space for them) on one I could have Dev-Cpp and on the other for example Firefox. I don't like switching between apps. And even if I would have high resolution I hate running apps in windowed mode, I like fullscreen.

I was just thinking that I really love sushi. It's probably my favorite food.

Just out of curiosity, what is everyone's favorite food?

Tacos!

Tacos is defenitely on the top ten! Listed in semi-random order:

• Chineese food.

• Tacos.

• Pizza.

• Kebab.

• Meatballs with "brunsås" (I don't know the English name) and potatoes.

• Steak.

• <insert more from memory here>

Jorram, are tacos different in Mexico? I live pretty close to the border(New Mexico) but even here the Mexican restaurants are said to be not very authentic.

My favorite food would probably be potstickers(they're like gyoza dumplings).

How is Chinese food in Sweden? I ate at a Chinese restaurant in Berlin and they seemed to offer the same Americanized/Westernized fare as restaurants in the US.

Authentic tacos are open faced and taste 10x better, and you can ask for different meats, including tongue and brain. Tongue is the best.

Wait a minute, aren't US tacos basically open-faced tacos that are folded up?

There is a place in town that sells fish tacos. I have yet to try them!

American tacos tend to have oversized hard or soft shells, and they add lettuce and cheese inside the taco for some reason. They don't use taco sauce, and they only offer ground up beef (sometimes chicken) for the meat.

So.. what happened?
Did he finally get banned?

He's probably lying catotonic in front of his monitor after viewing this off topic abomination of a thread repeating 'the horror, the horror' while drewl runs down his cheek onto the floor.

That's just a guess

I LOVE cheeseburgers and Nachos! (ie I mean nachos as a meal, not with cheeseburgers)

Probably, I still like it very much. I like the Swedish version of Pizza as well, hardly authentic though.

Oh, you got less score than me...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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I like Pizza with the barbeque kind-of-sauce.

I found myself really missing my odd dual display setup when using Eagle to design a little QFN30 to DIL600 adapter board.. Having Docs up on one side and the program on another helps alot for developing just about anything.

As for my favorite foods? I love Teriyaki, Sukiyaki, just about anything thats a stirfry..

And in the background, a helicopter is heard with a voice coming from some loudspeaker, babbling that it wants its' surfboard back.

food:
*Tuna pizza with two eggs on top of it with extra cheese and fresh onion slices.
*Meat loaf with cooked potatoes, peas and those orange roots.
*Goulash.
*Pancakes.
*stuffed cabbage
*root mush with hamburgers(just the meat, not the McD sense of the word)

This thread is becoming a new classic!

And you can't beat proper pasta.

Basically, a taco is a tortilla with meat and sauce. The best tacos are 'al pastor' (shepperd?), with some pinneaple, cilantro and onion. You can add some guacamole or hot souce, and they're delicious!

http://www.melsmex.com/Pictures/carne_6.jpg

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Pasta is good too, and every once in a while I have chinese or japanese food.

Most favourite on top

• Pork meat, dumplings, cabbage and beer

• Pizza

• Spaghetti

Nutella!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Tartine_et_pot_de_Nutella_wbg.png/200px-Tartine_et_pot_de_Nutella_wbg.png

Nuttela is supersweet, superexpensive, awfull thing (IMO)

Nutella?

Nutella is great for breakfast. White bread, lots and lots of butter and a very thick layer of nutella over that. Yum Yum.

So true.

If everyone's posting food. You can't beat this.

And don't even mention daddies or hp in the same breath Phipps, you know I'm right

Neil.

I like tocas too. But I like subway sand witches best.

I go out and buy like a gazillion Del Taco tacos every so often for dinner.

Chop? What the hell is Chop?

You want some real HP Sauce!

ahem...:
http://homepages.compuserve.de/DennisTapier/allegroforum/SUBWAYSANDWITCH.PNG

Dennis, you're the greatest artist ever!

Best food, hrm, Macaxeira Frita? Bet no one knows what that is, hrm. Sushi? That one everybody knows. What else? Hrm... Feijoada? Maybe pople will know... Hrm, everything that's good tasty...

Hey, they use those big hunks of meat to make gyros/doener too(another one of my favorite foods)!

When you say sauce, is it a special sauce used for tacos, or can it just be salsa? Because tortillas with meat and sauce sound quite familiar to the tacos I'm familiar with. Except they usually fold them up when they serve them. Do you eat the tacos just like that on the plate or do you fold them up first?

I guess, i should feel flattered now.:P

My favorite food would be a Korean dish that I've never seen spelled, but is pronounced something like "Gol-bee". Roasted ribs or something, it's practially burnt. If you like the ends of meat loaf you'd love this.

Earlier somebody asked where the term "redneck" comes from, I heard a long time ago that the U.S. southern cotten farmers that were too poor to own slaves got their necks burnt red from tending the cotten, they were so poor that they didn't live as well as real slaves. They'd still treat the slaves they met in town or wherever badly though (the dreaded 'n' word). To the wealthier plantation owners it was kind of funny to watch.

Yeah, that's why rednecks are associated with the south. +)

EDIT:
Speaking of which.... Did people hear about the million-more march that celebrated the 10th anniversary of the million man march?

President Bush's approval rating among the black population is right now at 2%.

http://media.michigandaily.com/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/4355e5b176d3e-37-1.jpg

EDIT 2:
My source of 2% approval rating: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=55028

How'd he get in?

Throw in a dash of crooked elections.
Add a pinch of homophobia.
Take the moral high ground and rally the christian right as a born-again christian.
And finally, mix it all together with a war on terror and public fear.

I kid, of course, but that's the feeling I got after the 2004 election.

He's so lucky black people aren't allowed to vote in the US.
I have 2 monitors (15" at 800x600 and 17" at 1200 x 960) as well, and I use them for coding (console in small monitor, editor / proggy in large one), for music transcriptions (notation software on large display, mp3 player and documentation on smaller one), also for file copying (drag from one display to other). Otherwise, to have some background stuff running on the smaller monitor (like cd burning, file copying, downloading) while working on the large one.
And yes I like food, but there's so many different kinds, making me choose is really really cruel...

You're kidding, right?

you'll never know :p

I don't think anyone was flat-out lieing or anything anywhere in this thread. So no, no one is kidding.

Pretty desktop Nyankoneko! It's sooo cute!

I have an anime avatar. He may have been referring to me. But Peach Girl is my favorite anime/manga atm. So whatever.

Yes unfortunately he has a lot of built up anger towards you.