Yep, i got a gf now
my first one, i hope i can make it work

Yves hooked you up with Diana like I told him to, eh?

Not Diana hooking him up with Yves?

EDIT: seriously, CONGRATULATIONS!!

Feel free to post a picture of the happy couple.

I've tried to hook up with Yves for ages and he just says no.

Oh well, girlfriends are highly overrated anyway.

Now I'm scared!

Me too; I've been pining for Yves for years.

You'll never steal him from me! My Fighter avatar challenges your Fighter avatar to a duel!!

Argghh! This looks like a case for that Trogdor chap..

Trogdor is my b*tch.

(I thought you didn't like Homestar Runner )

Well... Sunday is close.

BAF: Congratulations!

I'm dumb!..

thanks tho! i dont have a pic yet, but ill try to get one when i have the opportunity and upload it

I never said I did..

Anyway, despite the silly hat it's perfectly clear that your avatar would kick X-G's avatar's arse. After all yours has a more fighterly expression and X-G's is looking seriously anemic.

My Fighter avatar accepts! I choose as my weapon ... the banjo!

Definately won't win...

Has it been more than 24 hours since you met her? GF announcements are short lived here.

Ouch! That's harsh!

Wait till he posts the pic!

I guess 23 will choose a horde of Zerglings as his weapon.

Well, my AVATAR chooses swordchucks, of course.

Never played Monkey Island 3?

dont worry if it doesnt work BAF. My first girlfriend lasted somewhere around 3 hours. Whew, that was a crazy time!

hmm, i've known her this whole school year!

for my gift: remove my postcap (i couldnt resist )

kazzmir: I'm dumb!

OT: Matthew, did you ever setup a RSS feed type thing for #allegro?

My first girlfriend lasted 5 minutes. The second one lasted a whole year. It's always hard the first time, but we have a whole life ahead...

PS: Who is Yves? I haven't seen him posting here...

Congrats (I think ), BAF

really? His name was even censored until recently (Another Yves appeared).

I fully agree! So much so that I could extend it to friends in some cases.

While we're on the subject of girlfriends, I got my first one a while ago... Uhh, comin' on four months ago (on the 19th). She seems to have lasted quite a while. And just to prove I'm not one of those loser programmers, I'm not 32, I'm only 15... err... 16 now, but 15 when I bagged er Anyways, I'll post a picture if anyone cares when I find the one I have of us going to Winter Ball (I think...).

BAF: Good luck! Don't screw it up....

I'm suprised at you X-G. http://www.allegro.cc/forums/view_thread.php?_id=250183#target Read all.

Take the screw, then try your luck. You know, just in case

Congratulations. My first possibility ran away from me in belief that I am a true hacker. (pfft.)

You definitely want to make sure that she understands it's a relationship, too

My only actual girlfriend lasted ~2 weeks. She asked me out, and she broke up with me. Probably because I was going through that stage in my life where I didn't know I had to start wearing underarm deoderant yet..

That's my guess anyway, because a year or so later she asked me out again (and I refused, because she changed for the worse... got bigger.. and more piercings.... made me feel so bad, she started crying right there.. ugh, why do they gotta do that? )

Anyway.
All the others end at sun rise.
I learned my lesson! Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?
Err... yeah.

Well, maybe this is a grim post.
I really wish you all the luck.

[edit: Why are my posts always so long? Yeesh..]

Congratulations on your success with online dating services.

That's good.

Because when you buy the cow, you can kill it.

Well well BAF, you beat me to it

heh, well atleast i wear deoderant

but im not really emotional, and i hope that we dont break up over that like in the thread cgames posted

I don't get it..?

I agree with X-G.

Happy Birthd--Congratulations!

It could be Happy Birthday in 9 months time..

"X-G and 23yrold3yrold fight for the undying love of the fair Yves"

Somebody bookmark this thread for later use!

Pete

Because you didn't link to that thread

Or an unhappy birthday, I'd imagine, how old is baf?

Marcello

Bobby is, I think, the only regular here born in the nineties.
I can just imagine how this relationship came into being:

not really

I'll be very optimistic and say 5 days (of being "together").

I'll say 5 weeks, without much optimism becuase I am apathetic.

I bet it's already ended.

I bet it hasn't even started.

I bet you're all being cruel to him.

its already been 9 days

Best of luck to you.

thank you!

Right. When I finish redesigning my blog, I'm gonna post it and show you what love is about. Or rather, what unanswered love is about at least. Anyway, congrats. Mind sharing some tips?

Grhh... Someone fix my left shift.

well, she's my first GF, so i dont really have any tips yet

Right. What about how you met her, how you decided to go steady with her, etc?

It seems I'm only interested in miserable females who have some dark secrets in their lives, are messed up in their heads and have a lot of emotional baggage. No idea why.

well, i've gone to school with her all year (she is one grade under me) and i just asked her out the other day... she said yes... and now all is good

but she does have some secrets she told me, not that dark tho

and elver, why dont you get on IRC when i'm on?

Can we all tell our first-girlfriend stories?

Well, I was 12. She was my sister's best friend. 4 of us went to a public swimming pool (me, my sister, jessica (gf), and my cousin Robin). She whispered to Robin, and then Robin said to me "Jessica wants to know if you would go out with her"... and I said I guess so.
Lasted ~2 weeks.. I've already mentioned her before. She's really one of the only actual girlfriends I've had, where I left the house with her, and continued the relationship as an "official" one

Only had one girlfriend so far ...

Never had one. Shut up, Eric.

hey, I'm no babe magnet...

Doesn't matter. If you've even had one, people like me will inevitably see mentioning even that as a deliberate attempt to spite us and make us feel worthless, and will subsequently start flinging dramatic quotes at you and hate your guts.

So, to sum things up: From hell's heart, I stab at thee, Eric Scowler!

Unless he wears his the cheat shirt.

Marcello

Oh yeah... no one can resist The Cheat... suave...

I made a the cheat stencil to make shirts out of yellow and black spraypaint.... for real, it actually looks really good too!

I didn't even need to wear my the cheat shirt to score two dates this week... two dates and an armload of dissapointment after two subsequent just-be-friendages! Yay!

Solution: Stop trying so damn hard.

I really don't care anymore... still, it hurts when people brag about it. Dunno why really.

I have exactly opposite feeling: programmers aren't worthless.

Howsat, Zorro my man?

Exactly. Programmers aren't worthless, unless the games they code are terrible.

Eh. Women don't exist to validate you and your manhood.

Look, no one said it makes sense or anything. I think we all know what you people are saying and all that, but then for some reason our emotional centers just plain ignore that and decide to hurt like hell anyway for no reason.

X-G, I have to try hard and take risks... how else will I gain experience points in the RPG I call 'life?' And I'm sorry if I in any way made you feel bad... but really for most people having had a girlfriend is not something remarkable enough to 'brag' about.

Oh, and hey, don't worry. All the cool kids I know are lonely people with their love lives in shambles, sporting eternally red eyes, constantly being chased by deer trying to lick the salt off of their faces because they've been sobbing so much, with empty pits of despair inside their stomachs they can only fill temporarily by whining to other people about it, which only makes them feel really stupid, as if they accidentally forgot to wear pants and underpants one day and walked into a full class of 30 students and went up to the teacher's desk demanding that she re-mark a failed test and promising to "bone up on the polymer unit" that one time when I was 16.

slowly backs away from Goodbytes

o_0

Of course. I meant: programmers aren't worthless = they are 100% normal people (or close to it), still able to have real life.

Only problem is "real life" encompasses a HUGE span of things, most of which aren't all that good.

They aren't good != they are worthless. They are just good at other things.

EDIT: Misread your post.

Uh, no, I think that's a bit overly optimistic of you... all situations don't have a bit of good in them. Every cloud doesn't have a silver lining.

There's a Non Sequitur strip I'd like to show you, but I can't find it right now. It's the "Why Perpetual Optimists Get Punched A Lot" one.

I haven't said that real life consists of only good things, but people still can live it. Programmers aren't much different from normal people so I guess they are able to live outside computer too, just as normal people.

And they, like normal people, can be worthless. They are no exception, you know.

Depends what you like. It's not like you have to go out into the "real world" and be harassed by idiots all the time... to an extent you can pick and choose what you want to experience.

It's weird. I used to think a lot of common social activities were really stupid... until I started doing them. On one hand, it's sad that I lost some of my aloofness, so to speak; almost as if a certain innately rational part of me has died. On the other hand, I really enjoy doing incredibly stupid things with my friends (no, they don't all involve alcohol ). If it feels good, and doesn't hurt anybody, including yourself . . . do it?

I think I strayed off topic.

BTW in my experience, and I don't pretend to speak for a general case here, most clouds have a silver lining. And I don't get beat up a lot.

In theory that's correct, but in practice it becomes really gnarly to try and discern what actions hurt people and which don't, since the reach of effects can be incredibly hard to assess properly. An extreme example: a stupid thing done while drunk that still ends well might inspire someone else to try a similar feat later, leading to their death. It's hardly predictable, but it's still fair to say that your actions in part caused the other person's death.

Better safe than sorry, I say...

But it doesn't mean that being a programmer implies being worthless. Anyway, no people are worthless, you know.

Yea, think of the calories of heat you could generate.

Marcello

That is simply false, although there aren't all that many people that are completely worthless if any at all. Still, worthless people exist for sure.

Define worthless.

Having no worth?

So considering this there are surely no worthless people at all.

So an obnoxious person who never does anything else but annoy, upset and hurt other people somehow magically has worth? How's that, ol' chap?

When he chooses to do something of worth. Just like a dollar has no worth until you decide to spend it.

A person can be annoying, but nobody know when that person will change. I'd call it worth, but hidden at the moment.

We don't do things like get drunk and jump off bridges. When my friends and I drink it's usually so that we can sit around a campfire and sing songs loudly, beatbox, tell stories, complain, etc, without realizing how ridiculous we sound. Yeah, it's pretty stupid. But it's not innately dangerous. And there's always a couple of sober people to keep us in line.

Please don't think I do this every weekend, anyway. I think I've done something like what I mentioned above three times in my whole life, and I would never let things get to the point where I'd be putting myself or others in immediate danger.

Anyway, it's nearly impossible not to do things that will end up hurting people. I could be teasing someone playfully who could take it the wrong way and get upset. I could put myself out on a limb for another person and get rejected. I might accidentally walk into a ladder that someone is standing on and send them falling to their doom. Know what I mean?

I'll concede that my attitude, while it doesn't (at least I don't think it does) show a complete disregard for human life, can be interpreted as a little reckless. But I'd rather take a small chance of hurting other people, and being hurt myself, then going through my brief séjour on earth clinically detached and emotionless.

[EDIT]
Yeah, I agree that there are probably a few worthless people out there, but I'm thinking more along the lines of cruel and abusive pimp or drug dealer or insane fundamentalist suicide bomber than a neighbourhood bully or annoying loudmouth, here. And sometimes people may be worthless until someone helps them to be useful in some way.

Assume that the person is not going to change. An easy way to ensure this is to kill him off quickly before he has a chance to change; how was his existence then ever motivated?

Let's assume you earn a dollar and throw it out without spending it. How it's existence was motivated?

If no one finds a use for the dollar, its existence was not motivated. Now, answer my question, please.

I'm willing to make an exception for a person who chooses of their own free will to be worthless. Sit in front of the tube and consume beer and chips until they expire. It's simply making a choice to not exercise one's worth, much like the dollar you hide and never spend. But then, they have no one to blame for their "worthlessness" but themselves. Like burning a dollar, I guess ...

That's just fine, as long as you acknowledge that these people exist. The reason they are that way is irrelevant to me, heh...

If no one finds a use for the dollar, it doesn't mean that there is no worth in it. Just like if you can't find any worth in a person doesn't mean that there is no worth in that person. Every person is capable of doing good things and that's worth something itself. And don't ask if a person's existence was motivated or not, because then you have to take a look at his/her entire life. Some things seem to be possible (like degenerate case) in real life, but you can\t tell whether they actually are possible before they happen. As you've already said, you can't predict real life. You can't set up a situation and ask such questions about it, because it won't be real life then. And since you can't tell what is going to happen, you can't be sure that a person won't do something worth.

EDIT:

And if at some point whey will start to be willing not to be worthless? You can't tell if they will to or not, but they can.

Yes it does.

Nope. Nothing is worth anything until you actually use it, and if they never do anything, they will have been worthless...

They can also not do it, in which case they will have been worthless.

The problem is that the dollar DOES have a use. That no one uses it is a waste, but it still has a worth. It's not worthless, just wasted potential.

The $1 bill analogy has gotten out of hand. Just buy a freaking soda with it.

EXACTLY!
Tonight, right now, I'm drinking with 2 friends. Playing South Park: Chef's Love Shack, hollering and carrying on.. it's just fun, and is a great stress reliever.

Sure, I wish there were more women here.. but.. oh well.

I really don't even understand the relevance of the $1 analogy..............

Is it even possible to go through life without offending or upsetting someone?

I wonder if the problem is that we think too much. Or are to thinking orientated. I mean I can go out with some friends to pubs and clubs and there will be hundreds of people who act without thinking about their actions like we do. I'm sure some of you will label these people as stupid or irresponsible, but they are also more relaxed and spontaneous in their behaviour.

So I've come to wonder about which is best, or indeed if either approach can be said to be better..

You won't like this, but let me propose that you were a bit depressed, and spending a night getting moderately drunk was just the break you needed and you're in a better mood the next day. You're more productive, and your good mood rubs off on other people making them more productive. The whole world seems beautiful. (It's great weather here by the way. )

I had a related problem. Imagine you meet two new girls. You find one of them rather attractive and the other one less so. You end up talking a lot to the former, and naturally smiling and laughing a lot. Then you try to involve the latter but cannot force yourself to carry on smiling in the same way. You are sure she picked up on it.

When I told my counsellor this story, she told me no one can take that much responsibility for other people's feelings. What I'd done was to be "gracious" by trying to involve both of them, and that was all anyone could be expected to do. Provided I didn't worry too much about it, the evening had been extremely enjoyable, and at least one of us was probably more productive the next day. Or maybe I just wasted the day on allegro.cc or something. I can't remember.

So don't take so much responsibility for other people. By far the best thing you can do is take care of your own primitive needs (such as socialising, or alcohol or chocolate abuse); then your good feelings will rub off on other people and you'll do a lot more good than you could have done otherwise.

(Alcohol abuse is an interesting one. There are people who become extremely nasty after drinking. But they're quite uncommon, and the one I can think of has an unpleasant air about him when he's sober too. Most people become silly, and it's fun to pretend to be drunk with them! Just don't make yourself throw up in someone else's house ... Personally I don't drink because I don't need to; I'm fully capable of being silly and having fun without drinking, and I've never seen the appeal.)

By the way, Derezo's 'first girlfriend' story said to me, "Look how silly this was," not "Look at my conquests." X-G, I know you can see how silly it was; the trick is to realise that the story was meant to be that way and to try to forget the jealousy ... I think ... Thing is, Derezo is probably having as much trouble finding a serious relationship as the rest of us. The difference is that some of us (like you and me) have been looking for serious relationships all along, which is always hard. I did actually have a girlfriend when I was 9 or so. Similar to Derezo's story in fact. I had no idea what it meant. (She was 7 or 8. All I did was go along with what she wanted to do - until it got to wet kisses, which were "disgusting". I bet she watched too many soap operas.) Serious relationship? Never. So try not to feel jealous.

WELL THANKS!

Just kidding, that's how I meant it to be I was hoping I'd get to read a bunch of silly ones, too
If I were to say "Look at my conquests" I better have a good (and steamy) story... not one about my first girlfriend when I was 12, whom I went out with only because she asked me to.. I didn't really want a girlfriend when I was 12... girls were icky.

Yep. I really want a serious relationship, but just can't muster the courage to ask a girl out. I never have been able to. I'm not very good at converstations, so I never have anything insteresting to say. Knowing that, I never initiate anything.

Unlike all your sorry saps, though, I'm A SEXY BEAST!
/me licks his fingers and rubs his nipples with delight.

Alright, I'll shut up now.

I agree with what Ben said.

About social skills and being able to keep up a conversation or ask a girl out, these things you can learn. I couldn't do it a few years ago, I can now. Just don't fret so much over it and eventually you'll do fine.

Sure, I was scared like hell when I phoned this one girl to ask her out and even more terrified when she actually said yes (at which point I had no idea what to take her out to so we agreed I'd get back to her on that, which I did). She didn't want to be more than friends when I told her I liked her some time later, but I still feel glad for having asked her out and told her. Oh, and we get along wonderfully (which is sometimes a bit of a pity too, but generally it's great).

Anyway, good luck to BAF

Never ever do that again..

Austin Powers reference, for those who've never seen it.

Evert: I'm getting better at it It just takes some substance abuse.....

thanks

Derezo

actually i didnt ask her out directly, another girl was in the room and knew i was goona ask her out but i was to scared to and she did it for me

There might be some confusion here. "To ask a girl out" generally means to ask if she'll be your girlfriend. If you just want to go somewhere with her, you could maybe say "ask her out somewhere".

As for me, I seem to scare them off before I get anywhere near the asking out stage. And that's when I'm not even after romance. All I want is Japanese conversation partners.

... What?

has the flirting powers sad but true...

Anyway, have fun BAF

Asking girls out is like a lottery - for a small prize you can win the jackpot. Only the chances are usually higher...

There we go. Listen to the expert!

[quota]There might be some confusion here. "To ask a girl out" generally means to ask if she'll be your girlfriend. If you just want to go somewhere with her, you could maybe say "ask her out somewhere".</quote>
Ah!
The Dutch phrase "uitgaan met iemand" translates literally to "to go out with someone", but without the implied meaning of dating someone.

If you ask a girl out, you'd better not go dutch (at least not on the first date)

What does it mean 'to go Dutch'?

I had a French penpal once. I wrote her a French letter.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dutch

Read a bit down the page.

Actually, I found that, heh ... I still don't get it. The alternative would be to expect the girl to pay one's expenses ... ?

AFAIK, it is a phrase which basically means having everyone pay for their own dinner or drinks, implying that this is rude.

Usually, when eating out, we just split the bill equally among all of us, except when someone doesn't have any money on them or someone explicitly wants to pay for all (I've had that happen once when I was eating out with a girl I know: when we were done, she insisted on paying everything. I did the same on a later occasion). When going for a drink, we usually take turns getting drinks for everyone.
In most cases, it doesn't really matter who pays what, as in practice the difference evens out anyway. And it's far less hassle, not to mention that keeping notes of who orders what is annoying and sortof ruins the good mood. Besides, if you're that picky about your money you shouldn't be out spending it in the first place. All IMO of course.

Of course, it's different when you ask someone out on a date - there I would expect to have to pay the bill.

EDIT: waaaaay slow....

No, you're not too slow. mEmO's too fast. Thanks for the proper explanation

its like a soap opera, someone said we broke up so she got all mad wondering why and it turned out we didnt, so she was like wtf... long story to explain to her

did that story go something like this: "No we didnt break up."?

allow me to say: lmfao.

Marcello

On a date, that'd be rude. I agree.

But when it comes to spending the night and alcohol, that's the name of the game in this country. As a rule of thumb, everybody goes dutch.

I'm an exception, of course, since quite a lot of people owe me minor favours which they return quite happily as buying. Now that my license is still suspended for another two weeks (including one weekend) I can easily collect all that free booze and get hammered real cheap. All i need to do is stroll around the local club and wave at all the people i know and sit somewhere and watch the free booze come.

I did that last saturday and me and my friends (who had to go dutch, of course, since nobody owed them booze), we were so hammered that NOTHING stayed put when we left the club at closing time and walked home.

yep, we are still together... we "unbrokeup" , even though i didnt actualyl break up with her to begin with

Lets count the amount of "unbreakups" shall we people?

I'm still roflmfao from before.

Marcello

So far I'm pretending that the amount of "unbreakups" is around 874, and Zidane won't admit it.

I'm still wondering what Marcello is laughing about.

me too

i didnt think it was that funny

You'll never know. It's more of an inside joke.

Marcello

Well, i have no idea why but she broke up with me... she called me every night (well i called her usually) and we talked and everything... weird . She wasn't really my type anyway, but anyway here's the break up letter:

http://bafsoft.com/misc/breakup.JPG

sorry baf :/.

i broke up with my first real girlfriend over email. she didnt like that very much . the mildly amusing part was she checked her email twice a week so she didnt know I had broken up with her till two days after I sent it, but I had seen her in school for those two days.

Dude don't feel so bad, she didn't "break up" with you in the "I never want to see you ever again" sense. She seems like a caring person and wants to go a bit more slowly with things than rushing ... which is something you don't see a lot in women these days. Oh well, you are young, plenty more "break up" letters to come Nowdays you shouldn't really announce you got a girl friend until the relationship lasts longer than 3 months... less than that and it's not really a relationship

comfort Sorry about that. But there will be many more coming, don't worry

Sorry for you Bobby...

Sounds like her friends don't want you two to go out and she feels a bit pressured because of this, especially since she doesn't feel she knows you too well yet.

I would tell her you are not relieved, but sad, but want to be her friend. Then see how things go from there.

Hope that helps..
Rich.

well actually it was her friends that encouraged me to ask her out (then asked her out for me)... but i dunno, her ex told her how he regretted dumping her and he's changed and that line, and i guess he is goona ask her out again or something... i dunno anymore

Allow me to be the first to say...

Haha. I can use mockup and marcello can't.

Actually, what I wanted to say was you can't read the contrast anyways, why did you scan so freaking hi res?

i dunno, that is how my scanner did it

Don't waste your time on relationships BAF

I remember letters like that back in grade school.

Anyone ever turn down a date because of a game or something similar? Back when I was heavily into EverQuest this cute girl I worked with at the time called me up and asked me to go see a movie. I told her I wasn't feeling well in reality I was playing EverQuest. Needless to say she never asked me out again. And I'm not the type to ask anyone out. I never have, they always asked me. Probably missed out on a lot of good opportunities but oh well....

I played too many games when I was younger so I knew I had very little people skills and would not work well in a relationship so I had to turn down every girl that asked me out. Good thing those days are over.

yeah, i had to live down that fear (took me till 9th grade )

Took me until now. I'm playing my cards carefully. You should focus more on programming, less on females!

yeah, i just finished my site, so now its time to do BAFIRC then make a game

I'm still laughing.

And cgames, I'm just special. Sucks to be you.

Marcello

I find it mildly humorous how a woman post ends up with the most hits.
The Alpha and the Omega of the situation.

Yeah, i think that is funny too, over 141 replies (6 pages for me, almost 7)... biggest thread i've ever started

Lets see if we can hit 200 posts+ before the thread is too old to post in

20 replies a page? 25? You're pathetic. Real men use 100. And don't tell me size doesn't matter.

why would i change the defaults when they work perfectly fine?

Because when you stay away from a.cc for days at a time, it's annoying to come back and have to click on five links to read the whole thread, where mine is set to all the thread in one page for the most part. The only reason I have the pages turned on is because past 300 replies takes a while to render

I disabled pages. Can't stand them.

So you might say my pages are infinitely long!

Game Over. Next?