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Entroducing! ... DISSENTER
Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Dissenter.com

Gab.ai, a free speech alternative to Twitter, has just released Dissenter. I had this idea and everyone told me "that won't work". Well, someone made it without me having to do any of the work!

It lets you make a comment on ANY url. Any website. Twitter. YouTube. Reddit. Huffington Post. It doesn't matter if they disable comment sections. It doesn't matter if moderates delete posts. You can now comment on anything.

Right now it's full of heavy right-wingers. Which makes sense because they came from gab and right-wingers are the ones who get crushed by the big three Facebook, Twitter, YouTube (+Reddit).

But here's the thing. Throw YOUR left-wingness into the pot and all a sudden you create a discussion that forces people to confront their blindspots. The more EVERYONE we get onto this network the better it'll be (and the less a hivemind).

You can also use it as a browser extension which will tell you when people have commented on something. That means people can WARN each other about potentially dubious websites! Also, people who DON'T have dissenter don't have to be bothered by dissenter conversations that they hate.

You can also view top posts on Dissenter.com.

Remember when Edward Snowden came out and everyone (including liberals) were all about freedom of speech and transparency?

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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It lets you make a comment on ANY url.

That makes it sound like it modifies their webpage, which would be evil and bizarre. So there's a GAB page where you type in the url of interest and see what other people have said about the thread or what?

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Through the mamagggiiccc offfff Iiffrramesss--____----^^^^----....

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Seriously. Go the website once and those questions would be answered.

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Doctor Cop
Member #16,833
April 2018
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There is a rumor that Gab is a scam. Why so much hate against a social networking website?

What's there thing against Gab?

Gideon Weems
Member #3,925
October 2003

The site banner said:

Dissenter: The Comment Section of the Internet

Comment sections are the worst part of the Internet. This is like starting a new Pornhub that only features close-ups of male actors' faces.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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For all intents and purposes we already have this. For example, right here. And what's useful about discussing links here as opposed to on a social media site that may get extremely popular is that we are small enough to have a real conversation about something. Whereas if Dissenter actually becomes popular, and thousands of people are commenting on the same link, you won't possibly have time to keep up with the conversation. I'm not sure it's going to solve anything at all (and I'm not sure Twitter does a good job of solving anything either).

Also, Google (or DuckDuckGo, if you prefer) should let you find Web sites that are talking about a link quite reliably. So we can already find conversations. And the power of the Web is that it's distributed. Even if Dissenter's operators believe strongly in free speech, they'll need to be hosted in countries that also strongly believe in free speech and don't allow government or corporations to shut down sites. And even then, users will only be able to access Dissenter if their ISPs and network infrastructure continues to let them. So it can still be shutdown quite easily, particularly if the kinds of speech that gets posted ends up being vile enough to attract government attention. Even if only 0.01% of the content is vile enough certain groups will try to have the entire thing shutdown in certain countries, and the current political climate makes that a very real possibility.

I still think it's a good thing to have made. I just question it's practicality. I'd consider using it, after reviewing the privacy policy and terms of service anyway. Which I don't have time to go over right now. Ideally a site like this would have a "no logging" policy so that you're just a number to them, and they have no idea who you really are, and even if government or corporations try to force them to expose that information they'd just say "Sorry, we don't log it, and therefore we cannot." That sort of protection is needed for true free speech in 2019.

Another failing appears to be that neither Gab.ai/Gab.com nor Dissenter appear to currently have a mobile app for Android. Which I think is going to severely limit its popularity right now just because mobile is pretty important in 2019. And it would be a fun thing to screw around with while you're taking a dump on the john. ;)

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On a completely other matter, a local businessman has recently come under fire for posting vile hate speech on a blog. I don't know if nobody noticed until now, but he has been doing it for years apparently. I guess recently somebody figured out who the author was, and brought it to the attention of large clients in town questioning if they should be doing business with the likes of this person. And sure enough, 3 or 4 large clients have now disavowed this company as a result and have dropped their services.

Ordinarily, I'd be opposed to this because people should be free to believe in whatever they want and express those things, without having their livelihood taken away by the angry mobs of social media that have proven their group think to be quite faulty. However, the things this individual posted are indefensible. It cannot be argued that it's a valid opinion to have. He's effectively calling for the murder or genocide of people based purely on race.

He's also calling for attacks on specific members of government. On that front I can at least sympathize because government is surely screwing the people over, and perhaps we need to overthrow them to change the laws so that government works the way we need it to, but what's scary is that he's not just ranting about it. He seems completely genuine. Also, it's a pretty rare occurrence to see pictures of Canadians posing with guns for violence because generally they're hard to acquire and not worth the trouble, but this individual posted pictures of himself posing with large revolvers and has threatened to use them. So yeah, pretty much he's a wack-job. And he's not even young enough to have that as a defense. I'd bet he's in his 50s.

That makes it sound like it modifies their webpage, which would be evil and bizarre. So there's a GAB page where you type in the url of interest and see what other people have said about the thread or what?

Yay! AK is alive! :-*

That's pretty much the only way that it could work. So effectively it's no different than any other Web site that allows open discussion on topics. Except that presumably it won't be censored no matter what. Which is generally a good thing, but see above. And if it takes off then it could be a centralized place to do so, but see above.

Comment sections are the worst part of the Internet.

I disagree. They attract a lot of garbage posts, but they also produce a lot of gold. It's just up to you if you wish to weed through the garbage to get to the gold or not. The garbage is a necessary evil to produce the gold. It's largely by accident. Though the garbage serves a purpose too: to remind you how incredibly stupid people are.

This is like starting a new Pornhub that only features close-ups of male actors' faces.

;D

Gideon Weems
Member #3,925
October 2003

bamccaig said:

I disagree. They attract a lot of garbage posts, but they also produce a lot of gold.

If nothing else, comment sections have demonstrated value by occasionally providing attribution when the “author” provides none. And I agree there are occasional nuggets of gold in them thar hills of shit.

I retract my original hyperbolic statement on the basis of human trafficking being worse.

Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Comments are like finding friends. If you want the good ones, you're gonna have to wade through a pool of dicks.

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Gideon Weems
Member #3,925
October 2003

A.cc lets us type “dicks”?

Edit: :D

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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This is a cool idea that could have better applications. I could see this being a useful plugin to inform people of scams or otherwise provide supplemental content to a web page, alternate links and sources, or more information for example.

I took a look to see what the comments look like, but it does seem pretty right wing. The Canada News "channel" is primarily anti-Trudeau rhetoric with no substance which I couldn't care less about.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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That's the really neat thing. Like, if you ever read Reddit, you know to check the comments of every article because at least 90% of submissions in some subreddits are lying a bit to become more clickbait spreadable. And the top comment will be like "yeah... this is false because X argument or Y primary source."

Everyone who loves liberty and discussion should be supportive of this. At the very least, more voices that aren't constrained makes it harder specific people and organizations to control the conversation about themselves. The last you'd want is politicians being able to control what is said about them, or Starbucks controlling the news articles about its labor practices. The EXACT REASON Reddit was started is because Digg quite literally tried to control the conversation by only letting their corporate sponsors and other VIPs control posts. Reddit replaced "powerusers" with democracy. (Until "moderators" became the new super users as subreddits became overly consolidated.)

Likewise, with websites, you can leave notes about suspicious sites. Or, leave helpful LINKS to sites. Buy a game on GOG games? Post a link to a HD resolution patch on the store page!

Yeah yeah, there's potential for suckage. And it's the exact same potential with any other website / community that has ever been created. However, it also has the potential for a lot of good.

And that good only requires more good people to keep the crappy ones in check by posting good content and downvoting bad content.

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