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		<title>DUMB has click removal!</title>
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		<webMaster>matthew@allegro.cc (Matthew Leverton)</webMaster>
		<lastBuildDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:52:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Available in CVS, and can be previewed with the <a href="http://bdavis.strangesoft.net/in_duh.dll">Winamp 2.x plug-in</a> as usual. Put it in the winamp/plugins directory, and move in_mod.dll out of the way.</p><p>The click removal isn&#039;t applied to filtered samples yet (for IT files). Also it isn&#039;t perfect; small clicks seem to remain sometimes, and it can damage the sound quality in rare cases (specifically the music for my current project). I&#039;ve looked at the wave output, and it seems to be doing what I programmed it to do - so maybe I need to do some research and implement a different algorithm. Let me know what you all think...</p><p>Before someone asks, I don&#039;t know when I&#039;ll get around to making a release. There are still some bugs I&#039;d like to fix (mainly with .mod support), and stuff I&#039;d like to add to the API. I&#039;d also like to work on my game for a while. Be patient... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Bruce Perry)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>The click removal isn&#039;t applied to filtered samples yet (for IT files). </p></div></div><p>

DAMN YOU!!!!!! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /></p><p>This is good news. Keep it up Ben... Um or Bruce... Ummmm.... Or whoever you REALLY are... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /></p><p>[edit]<br />p.s. so have you any idea why my little dumb plugin likes to have 80% cpu usage on my Athlon 900Mhtz? None of my other input plugins do, and it seems it only does that with really NICE .it files... The usage goes down a bit with the sample rate turned down to 22050, and the dumb quality setting at 2 (instead of 4), but it still gets up there... (whereas all the XMMS and Winamp mod players don&#039;t seem to eat that much CPU time.. Then, DUMB does sound better usually <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /> And about that Im not just sucking up, the range is a ton better, clearer (and more) base, and generally better sound, becides the afformentioned clicks <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />)<br />[/edit]
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Ah, but have the aforementioned clicks disappeared? Or can you still hear them? <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /></p><p>Try setting the resampling quality to 1, not 2. 2, 3 and 4 uses a &#039;linear average&#039; algorithm, optimised to make the CPU mispredict as many branches as possible! Bob and I are considering possible replacements for it. Oh, and didn&#039;t you tell me that playit.c uses a lot less processor time? <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /></p><p>There shouldn&#039;t be <i>more</i> bass than with other plug-ins. DUMB doesn&#039;t have any kind of equaliser...
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Bruce Perry)</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>Ah, but have the aforementioned clicks disappeared? Or can you still hear them? </p></div></div><p>

Haven&#039;t tried the new cvs yet. (Im over at my dad&#039;s doin some visiting)</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>Try setting the resampling quality to 1, not 2. 2, 3 and 4 uses a &#039;linear average&#039; algorithm, optimised to make the CPU mispredict as many branches as possible! Bob and I are considering possible replacements for it.</p></div></div><p>

Groovy. So I guess I&#039;ll stick with 1 if I find an IT file...</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>Oh, and didn&#039;t you tell me that playit.c uses a lot less processor time? </p></div></div><p>

heh. Yup. But 80% (on a 900Mhtz cpu)? Isn&#039;t that a bit much for those two ITs you sent me?</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>There shouldn&#039;t be more bass than with other plug-ins. DUMB doesn&#039;t have any kind of equaliser...</p></div></div><p>

Thats probably why. The plugins I listen with all sound muted compared to DUMB. I coul&#039;d probably play with those plugin&#039;s settings... But I can&#039;t at the moment. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><p>The Bass just sounds better. Clearer even. (at least it does with my Altec-Lansing 4.1 set... I can still tell a bit with my earphones, but not much)
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>But 80% (on a 900Mhtz cpu)? Isn&#039;t that a bit much for those two ITs you sent me?</p></div></div><p>But you can&#039;t really claim that DUMB is using all that, considering playit.c uses less <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /></p><p>Just to say, CVS and the <a href="http://bdavis.strangesoft.net/in_duh.dll">Winamp plug-in</a> now have complete click removal, including filtered samples. They have had since <a href="http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/dumb/dumb/src/it/itrender.c">Sat Dec 14 07:25:50 2002 UTC (30 hours, 15 minutes ago)</a>, except allegro.cc was down at the time and I couldn&#039;t post here. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Bruce Perry)</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>But you can&#039;t really claim that DUMB is using all that, considering playit.c uses less</p></div></div><p>

I&#039;m not trying to. but none of the other plugins for my player use that kind of time, and the DUMB plugin ONLY uses that kind of time playing IT files.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>CVS and the Winamp plug-in now have complete click removal, including filtered samples.</p></div></div><p>

Me try tomorow. (too tired now... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />)
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>That&#039;s great news! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /> If it really works I&#039;ll consider starting to use it instead of FMod. Not many extensions and programs play IT files correctly, so be proud of yourself!
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Fladimir da Gorf)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>DUDE! That shopping.xm file you sent sounds a TON better <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /> same with smashm.xm <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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