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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007

Did you point out that that's blatantly false? They can, and will look at it for any arbitrary reason they fell like.

Indeed, but why would they look at information about little ol' me? I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to fear.

Its strange but most people I know feel this way. I don't think its Americans being extra stupid. They're just being human.

Now if there were to be electrical/water/food shortages, there would be riots. But the government intercepting data? Who even cares. :-/

In capitalist America bank robs you.

pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012

While I actually feel the same, it's not entirely correct that "you've nothing to hide so you've nothing to fear".

I stress it, I feel and generally act the same, but your own personal data can be misused, so a little bit of a protection would be very much appreciated.

What you say/do/write in "private" equals to some degree what you think and I guess NO ONE would like to have someone share its thoughts w/o permission.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Vanneto said:

Indeed, but why would they look at information about little ol' me? I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to fear.

You have nothing to hide? You haven't thought this through. Suppose you're being treated for an embarrassing medical condition? You've been meeting your secretary for some extracurricular activity? You've been sending out resumes without your employers knowledge? It's been shown that an NSA underling can go through your records there without restriction, just suppose he can go in for a little blackmail?

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012

Without even blackmailing getting in, one should not feel uncomfortable for looking for a better employment of for treating his ED....just saying. ;D

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Vanneto said:

Its strange but most people I know feel this way. I don't think its Americans being extra stupid. They're just being human.

Other countries feel a lot stronger about things than americans (and canadians) do. We are pretty flacid about these matters. So long as we get our TV and Beer, we don't give a shit, and they know it.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Internet and Beer

FTFY

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Nah, most people have TV, only like 30-60% of americans have decent internet.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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americans have *IN*decent internet.

FTFY

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Eh, I said decent, not good, or great. I'm talking 3-6mbps. not 15-100+.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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I was referring to the pr0n :-/

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Ah, I thought that might be it.. but eh.

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pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012

::) and here I thought that getting my 6MB was pretty good....;D

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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These days, 6mbps is only good if you're in a rural area. My mom lives in the middle of nowhere in NovaScotia and is actually able to get 3mbps wireless. I was happy about that when I went out to visit. I get 100mbps.

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My ISP also has a 250mbps plan that they are rolling out. And is also slowly rolling out Gbps FTTH (Fiber To the Home).

Here in alberta, you're lucky to get decent dialup out of town. And thats after we paid big telecom companies to wire the country up with fiber. Bunch of ass hats.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Just got satellite internet installed today. The latency is atrocious.

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Neil Roy
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April 2002
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I like the speed I get. They have faster plans, but I see no need for faster at this time.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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If I could swap this 30Mbps Charter Cable connection for a 6Mbps connection that didn't disconnect two or five times a night, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012

Well okay, no disconnections whatsoever in the last 5+ years is reasonable.

OTOH I'd LOVE to get a wireless connection..... ::)

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type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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What the hell are the aboe results? I thought only Israel is so fucked to have about 10:1 down:up ratio :S

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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type568 said:

What the hell are the aboe results? I thought only Israel is so fucked to have about 10:1 down:up ratio :S

Nope, its pretty much the norm in north america.

They do it because they can. It used to be a technical issue with Cable internet, but they've since fixed it in DocSis 3 using channel bonding. Except providers have decided they don't want to fix it.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Slow upload speed served a legitimate purpose in preventing people from abusing file sharing, etc. But it's an outdated concept now that there are a lot of legitimate reasons to need fast upload. >:(

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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nah, it was purely a technical limitation. they didn't have capacity because they didn't think they'd need it. Same goes for the tech, they build ADSL and DocSis to favour downstream over upstream, cause they didn't think they'd need it.

Future Proofing how does it work.

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Steve Terry
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March 2002
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Edgar lives near Wichita Kansas?
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Edgar Reynaldo
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Steve Terry
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Funny your ISP is here. I usually get 20Mbps down but the webs is slow lately.

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