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Guitar and Mic Are Here
bamccaig
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July 2006
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See here.

Now I need to get a desktop microphone stand (to start, at least). And maybe a guitar strap. But I imagine it'll probably be better to sit down and not wear a strap starting out.

Anybody know whether mic stand mounts vary in size? The microphone came with a mount, but I don't know if it'll fit all/any stand or if I need to shop for a specific stand mounting system.

And just for future reference, are guitar straps generally one-size fits all, or do you need to know the model/dimensions of the guitar, or is it just best to bring the guitar to a shop and try the strap on? :-/

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Guitar straps are one-size-fits-all via buckle adjustments, but make sure you get a couple of strap locks rather than depending on the knob thingees on the guitar staying in the strap slot by themselves.

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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The only variation I seen with mic stands is that there's two screw sizes for the mount, and an adapter for big to small.

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bamccaig
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I picked up a cheap mic stand yesterday. It's effectively just a telescoping pole with a weighted base and threaded ends. I wish it was just a little bit taller so I could put it behind my monitor and have the mic hang down over the front, but for now it's just off to the rear side pointing towards the user. It seems to function.

The sound is annoyingly lagged over USB, but if I plug head phones directly into the headphone jack on the mic then it sounds awesome. I think I might well have been happier with a regular mic and USB adapter, as Johan suggested, but I think I can live with this for now.

Since I have a "professional" mic I figured there must exist guitar tuning software, which might have spared me the trouble and minor expense of a physical tuner, so I went looking online. I found a freeware program from what looked like a legitimate company, signed installer and everything. It offered an extra program during the installer for editing audio and I got drawn in so I agreed to install it. When I realized it was unlicensed and I'd have to pay (as expected), I went to uninstall it, only to find that AVG recognized the uninstaller program as a trojan. >:(

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It also installed a shell extension, which was never mentioned anywhere in the installer, hijacking at least one file type association completely unrelated to audio. I'll probably take advantage of this to format and reinstall all OSes (I still have Fedora 15 installed, and I think 17 is only months away).

Anyway, I gave up on the software tuner and picked up a $20 digital tuner today that looks like it'll be way more convenient anyway. Clips directly on to the guitar, with a nice bright color LCD display. I also bought 5 guitar picks, despite not really knowing whether I'll be picking or not. Purely by coincidence the tuner and picks are all Fender branded. So that's neat, I guess (since the guitar is too).

I've done a little bit of singing and rapping, but nothing really turned out good enough to share ... :-X I was hoping to record something I was satisfied with so I could upload something here for you to make fun of, but so far I haven't had a good day. :) It's entirely possible that I never do and normally don't have a recording to look back on, but I digress. :P One thing I'd like to figure out is how I can listen to the music and the microphone simultaneously without having the music recorded (or at least, without the original artist's singing overpowering my own). What I've currently been doing is playing music on my home stereo with the volume moderate and plugging head phones into my mic, then sitting just in front of the speakers. It's not great though. Perhaps I can buy an earbud or something that I can plug into the mic and wear underneath my head phones. Then play the songs through my head phones with the volume louder (with the volume low, while concentrating on my singing, I found that I was often forgetting and screwing up the lyrics...).

:'(

Any requests? :-X

Arthur Kalliokoski
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taronĀ 
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January 2009
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For playing guitar I'd advise you to practice both picking with a plectrum and your fingers from the very start. This will make finger picking seem a lot less than magic.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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You need to use your ear rather than just watch a needle, but...

I already tried that way. My ears are not trained to notice the subtleties of notes yet. :( I'll never get close trying to do it by ear alone. At least, not until I've heard the distinct notes thousands or millions of times.

Matthew Leverton
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If you can tune them relative to each other by ear, then that is good enough when playing by yourself. And that's easy to do by just holding down the fifth (or fourth) fret and then playing the next (higher) string.

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So as you can see, the fifth fret of the low-E is the same A that the next string is. If they don't match, then it's out of tune, and it will sound terrible. >:(

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Also, if you're trying to play along with a CD or something, those never seem to be in tune with your tuning fork or electronic tuner or whatever. "Layla" is especially bad since they sped up the recording to make it sound livelier.

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torhu
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September 2002
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Learn to tune the guitar the way Matthew suggested. It will help you understand how the guitar "works". The only thing a tuner will do for you at this stage is to make it take longer to gain certain skills.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Doesn't Matthew's method rely on at least one of the strings being in tune first? :P

Arthur Kalliokoski
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bamccaig said:

Doesn't Matthew's method rely on at least one of the strings being in tune first? :P

Yes.

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torhu
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September 2002
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If you're playing alone, you only need the guitar to be in tune with itself. As long as it's not too far out, that is. Tuners usually have a feature for sounding a note that you can use for tuning. Make it play an E or an A and then tune the corresponding string to match that. Then tune the other strings based on that string.

Slartibartfast
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June 2007
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Doesn't the latest Allegro support recording from mic? You could probably easily make your own decent guitar tuning application by combining that with something like http://www.fftw.org/ .

SiegeLord
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October 2006
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Yes.

Does it matter? Unless you have perfect pitch then there's no such thing as a single string being in tune: it's always relative. There's a reason orchestras do the bizzare cacophany before playing: they are all tuning to one of the instruments. [1]

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  1. I'm a music theory noob though...

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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I made an "oscilloscope" many years ago that could synchronize wave cycles by testing when a sound wave exceeded a certain point, that could be used to implement a tuner by comparing the intervals between these tests succeeding w/o FFTs.

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SiegeLord said:

they are all tuning to one of the instruments.

Before all the electronic stuff came along, they were tuning to the oboe, assuming it didn't go out of tune. Of course humidity and air pressure would affect that slightly.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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You need to use your ear rather than just watch a needle, but...

You should definitely be able to tune it by ear, but electronic tuners are almost a must for concerts. It's one thing to tune by ear when you're home alone, and another to do it as one of a whole bunch of people doing the same thing backstage in the deafening noise of whatever's on stage before you. :)

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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I don't think Bambam's going on tour just yet. :P

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Maybe I'm dyslexic, but I read that as HARDCORE instead of HARDACRE. Get your tickets now before they sell out!

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Paul whoknows
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September 2004
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For tuning, do yourself a favor a get one of these:

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They are cheap.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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That is pretty much what I did get. :) I tuned the guitar for the first time yesterday. Went relatively well. It's not actually my first time tuning a guitar. I used to have an old electric guitar of my uncles that I played with a bit back in high school or college. I did find that the strings didn't like to stay "perfectly" in tune though. I'd get one string tuned and move on to others and then check previous ones and they'd be slight off. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

Arthur Kalliokoski
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bamccaig said:

I'd get one string tuned and move on to others and then check previous ones and they'd be slight off. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

As strings are tightened/loosened they bow the neck slightly and throw the others off, you just have to keep retuning. Keeping it in tune will help avoid this, since no major changes will occur.

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If you have a tremolo bar, you need to loosen the springs to it, and block it up where the center of travel is, then tune the strings, then tighten the springs just enough to take the pressure off the block.

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Ron Novy
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March 2006
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All you really need is Reaper from Cockos. Once you learn how to use it it's great. For tuning I setup the FX using ReaFir as a gate or EQ and then add the ReaTune or Meters/Tuner effect...

The de-tuning effect is not supposed to happen on fixed bridge guitars, but you get it on cheap guitars. It could be the neck bowing and/or twisting, but it could also be the bridge settling (or pulling up which would be very bad). If it's a cheaper guitar it may not even have a truss rod in which case it would be the neck bowing. Just don't over tighten the strings and it should be fine. If there is a truss rod then don't bother trying to adjust it, just leave that to a professional...

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Matthew Leverton
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Ron Novy said:

or pulling up which would be very bad

Don't scare bambam away. :-X

Paul whoknows
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September 2004
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Reaper is amazing :)

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