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Live Lobster - How To Preserve, How To Cook, How To eat |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Today I bought a live lobster. So I now have a live lobster. I've done a little bit of research in the past about how to prepare them and stuff. I read that you should boil them (alive), and optionally might want to put them in the freezer briefly before putting them in the pot to prevent screaming. I guess it slows their body down so that they don't realize what's happening. I'm not sure. In any case, then apparently you boil them (I forget the details: type of water, how long, when you know they're done, etc.). I'll have to research again to figure out how exactly I should do it. I'm more concerned about utensils... I don't have many and am afraid I won't have the tools necessary to get the meat from within the shell. At least, not without a lot of fuss and mess. In any case, Allegro.cc is pretty far stretched, so I was wondering if any members here have experience eating and/or cooking lobster. Any advice would be appreciated. I'm not sure what type of lobster it is, but it's only about a pound[1] so I'm assuming it is a Maine variety, though I don't really know where it came from. Or anything about it, for that matter. Help. References
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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bamccaig said: Today I bought a live lobster.
Quote: So I now have a live lobster. DOH! I have actually never eaten lobster, so I can't give you any advice. To me, lobster is one of them fancy dishes like caviar or sumpthin' like 'at. bam, you eatin' fancy! [edit] I do have some friends that eat lobster from time to time... they say 1) it's messy and 2) don't try and be clean about it. They cover the table with newspaper to make the cleanup easier. -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Did you buy it at a pet shop? |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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You're going to put your pet lobster into boiling water then eat it??
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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You throw them into boiling water (alive), apparently the shock kills them quickly. The cruel thing to do is to put it in cold water and cook it slowly. That's about what I know about the issue. I could never eat something I'd have to kill first (well, maybe if I were starving, but given a choice, I'll pass) and I have no desire to eat something that lived under water anyway (seafood = cat food in my world). |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Matthew Leverton said:
Did you buy it at a pet shop?
Trent Gamblin said: You're going to put your pet lobster into boiling water then eat it??
I said: Finally I called a local grocery store sort of known for having a good selection of higher priced commodities. They have a seafood department even. Turned out that they not only had lobster, but they had live lobster (apparently lobster is best if it's cooked alive).
Evert said: I could never eat something I'd have to kill first (well, maybe if I were starving, but given a choice, I'll pass)...
I suppose it is a little bit weird. People are animals too. That said, it is natural (and necessary) for animals on Earth to kill other animals for consumption. I don't really mind the killing part. It might be a little bit weird to handle it (i.e., pick it up, etc.), but I imagine that I will get used to it quite easily. I'm more concerned about actually carving it open and cleaning it out. Evert said: ...and I have no desire to eat something that lived under water anyway (seafood = cat food in my world).
I rather enjoy seafood (or more generally fish and other aquatic animals, I suppose). I haven't had a lot of varieties, but I have enjoyed what I have had. So far I've had a few local fish species (lake trout, pike, perch, and minnows, ... ?), a few frozen species (e.g., Alaskan Pollock, Tilapia), and canned fish (tuna and salmon). I rather like it all, and I consider lobster to be similar in nature to shrimp, even if not scientifically related[1], so I wanted to give it a try. References
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Note that we have no culinary experts here. |
Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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I've never tried it, but from what I've read:
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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Evert said: I have no desire to eat something that lived under water To make things worse, lobsters are basically the spiders of the sea, too. Horrible little things. (Also, as a side note: I wouldn't want to kill what I'm about to eat either. But I'm not about to confuse my own squeamishness for moral imperative.) -- |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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I've cooked crayfish (the NZ term for lobster) quite a few times. It isn't necessary to cook them alive, just keep them alive as long as possible before cooking. You can kill them by putting them in the freezer for a couple of hours, though this will (obviously) freeze them. Alternatively, 20-30 minutes in the freezer will put them into a deep sleep, and a sharp knife to the brain will finish them off. I prefer to grill or barbecue them myself, but I have boiled them a couple of times. The time can vary on size, but 10-15 minutes is all it takes. Just wait until their shells start changing colour, cook for another minute, then plunge into cold water to stop them cooking further. Simple salted water will do, but I usually add some garlic and lemon juice.
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X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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LennyLen said: I've cooked crayfish (the NZ term for lobster) To be specific: rock lobster or spiny lobster. Why New Zealanders call them "crayfish" when that's also another species entirely I don't think I'll ever know... -- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Regular fish are known to be tastier if killed just before cooking, so I'd imagine the same applies to lobster. Refrigerating live cold blooded creatures (even in seawater) should lower their metabolism to allow them to get by without food longer, and I'd suppose warm water might need to be aerated. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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bamccaig said: I suppose it is a little bit weird. People are animals too. That said, it is natural (and necessary) for animals on Earth to kill other animals for consumption.
Absolutely. I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, just that I couldn't do it myself. |
van_houtte
Member #11,605
January 2010
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maybe you should get your mommy to handle this one for you sweety ----- Sometimes you may have to send 3-4 messages |
Steve Terry
Member #1,989
March 2002
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Lobster murder ___________________________________ |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Matthew Leverton said: Note that we have no culinary experts here. I've watched enough food channel to qualify here! I've purchased live lobster a couple of times. I always bought it the same day I cooked it, so I have no recommendations for keeping it alive. It's easy. I followed instructions taken from the Internet. You boil a giant pot of water, then drop him in alive and leave him there for 10-15 minutes, depending on size. [Linky] [edit: Just realized Lenny said the same thing] Then remove the exoskeleton from your sea insect and dip it's fleshy innards in garlic butter and enjoy. Tobias Dammers said: cooking them alive is considered animal cruelty I did run into information about this on the Internet, and I disregarded it. The screaming bit is untrue, and when you drop them into the water they're dead within moments. Animals like these do not even have the pain sensory systems that humans do. They often lose limbs in battles over territory, mating, etc. So you're really just sparing them from the cruelty of the wild. X-G said: I wouldn't want to kill what I'm about to eat either. I've toyed with the idea of growing adorable, pure white, lagomorphs for consumption. However, I was really just playing with the idea of shock value. It's more acceptable to slaughter lobsters than it is to slaughter adorable bunnies, and I was thinking of the ramifications of opening a "pick your own rabbit" store (to constrast the "pick your own lobster" seafood places here). The cuteness of an animal seems more important than anything else when considering animal cruelty. (the funny thing is I'm really considering going back to being a vegetarian!) "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Derezo said: So you're really just sparing them from the cruelty of the wild. That argument should be good enough to satisfy the subset of vegetarians who happily kill little human babies. |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Sparing the babies the ordeal of McDonalds? Better dead than Red! (meat) They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Matthew Leverton said: That argument should be good enough to satisfy the subset of vegetarians who happily kill little human babies. With the exception that humans have a complex somatosensory system which includes pain, and lobsters do not. http://www.lobsters.org/tlcbio/biology6.html said: The lobster's nervous system has been extremely well-studied because it serves as a "simple" model of neural circuitry in something less complicated than the highly cephalized vertebrates. Lobsters do not possess any kind of receptor akin to our pain receptors. However, they do possess stress receptors and certainly perceive the slice of a knife.
"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Derezo said: With the exception that humans have a complex somatosensory system which includes pain, and lobsters do not. They claim the babies cannot feel pain either, so they'll be in full agreement with you regarding the lobster eating! That assumes, of course, they are into recycling and being resourceful (etc) and wouldn't like to see the lobster go to waste after you mercifully ended its (in your judgment) sure-to-be-sucky life. |
kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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I bought a pre-cooked whole lobster at the store once. I like lobster but having to disect one to get the food part out is sort of disgusting. I don't think I would get a whole lobster again but its fun to eat at a restaurant. |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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X-G said: To make things worse, lobsters are basically the spiders of the sea, too. Horrible little things. My thoughts on lobster/crustaceans exactly.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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They don't think you're so hot either. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Matthew Leverton said: after you mercifully ended its (in your judgment) sure-to-be-sucky life. I just didn't get a chance to introduce you to the wonderful world of lobster sex. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Matthew Leverton said:
Note that we have no culinary experts here.
...Until now! Tobias Dammers said:
I don't have sea water. Tobias Dammers said:
I've heard of the freezer thing, but I don't think the purpose is to kill them. I think the purpose is to slow their system down so their bodies can't really know what's happening when you drop them in the pot. Of course, I've also seen numerous chefs (of actual restaurants, presumably American) both dropping live lobster into boiling water and insisting that they've never heard one complain yet. I'm sure it's a wives' tale that they scream. Perhaps the freezer thing is only for very lively/frisky ones that are difficult to handle otherwise? In any case, I highly doubt that it's illegal to cook them alive in Canada or the USA. It can't be any more cruel than cutting the throat of a turkey or smashing the brain of cattle. Tobias Dammers said:
Yeah, I think the only reason I consider them related is because they're both considered somewhat "fancy" or "expensive" food in American media (i.e., it's the kind of thing that you would see rich people eating in a movie, not your average American family). Tobias Dammers said:
That sounds good to me. I also have a frozen ring of shrimp (with cocktail sauce) in my freezer to eat eventually. I rather love shrimp so I hope I'll also really enjoy this lobster. Hopefully it doesn't put me off too much having to take it apart and clean it myself. LennyLen said: I've cooked crayfish (the NZ term for lobster) quite a few times. We have things that we call crayfish here, and they do look something like tiny lobsters. I assume you are actually talking about what we would call lobsters then and not what we call crayfish? LennyLen said: It isn't necessary to cook them alive, just keep them alive as long as possible before cooking. You can kill them by putting them in the freezer for a couple of hours, though this will (obviously) freeze them. Alternatively, 20-30 minutes in the freezer will put them into a deep sleep, and a sharp knife to the brain will finish them off. It doesn't really seem like you benefit at all with killing them before cooking. Do you personally consider it more humane to kill them like that instead of dropping them into the pot? LennyLen said: ...then plunge into cold water to stop them cooking further. I saw YouTube video guy suggest this, which confused me because no others had. Are you supposed to eat lobster meat cold or warm or hot? Is it subjective (personal preference) or is there a specific right thing to do? :-/ LennyLen said: Simple salted water will do, but I usually add some garlic and lemon juice. I had no salt at all so I went out and bought a box of "Mediterranean sea salt". Hopefully that will suffice... :-X I also bought a couple of lemons, but I'm not entirely sure what I'll be doing with them yet. Evert said: Absolutely. I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, just that I couldn't do it myself. I don't think it's really any different than fishing, which I've done many times before. We generally just throw the fish on the ice and let them slowly die there. To my knowledge, there's nothing illegal or "wrong" about that. I guess we just figure the animals don't have "feelings" or "conscious minds" like us and don't consider it cruel. In any case, wilderness can be pretty cruel too, so I don't see why we should hold ourselves to a higher standard just because we do have the mental capacity to fear for ourselves like we do. A bear will still tear you to pieces under the right circumstances whether or not you humanely kill your lobster. :P As long as you're doing it for food and not to be cruel/seek some kind of sick pleasure from it then I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with it. Lobsters strike me as a type of animal that probably won't feel much in the time it takes them to die. Derezo said: I've watched enough food channel to qualify here! ;) \o/ Derezo said: It's easy. I followed instructions taken from the Internet. You boil a giant pot of water, then drop him in alive and leave him there for 10-15 minutes, depending on size. Sounds consistent so far. :) Derezo said: Then remove the exoskeleton from your sea insect and dip it's fleshy innards in garlic butter and enjoy. ;D ;D So far I have heard of a few various techniques. Seems there are shell crackers that you can get, similar to nut crackers. Others seem to prefer using sheers or scissors to cut the shell open. Others apparently just use a knife and twist to crack the shell. Any advice regarding that? I've also read that there is some meat within the midsection, but it's not very much so some people choose not to bother (as it is the more "disgusting" part of the animal, I suppose). Any experience with that? Places PeopleI have a pot on the stove full of water and I'm about to begin boiling it. Then I'm going to pour in a random amount of sea salt (somewhere close to a table spoon or until I feel the water is sufficiently salty). The actual volume of water is unknown to me so I'll be mostly guessing with the salt as well. While that boils I will be opening the Styrofoam box to check on the lobster (see if it is still alive, make sure it hasn't made any kind of disgusting messes in there, etc.). Once the water is boiling I will then put it into the water. :o Wish me luck. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
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