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Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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Recently, I stumbled upon a this article, and from there went on to reading this, and I thought, how about giving Linux another try.
I don't have Visual Studio, obviously, but I don't use it much for personal projects anyway. And apparently, even my US122L audio interface is now supported, although I haven't tried it out yet. Except a few minor roadblocks, everything went surprisingly smooth. As a result, I hardly ever boot into windows now - I think I may have spent about 15 minutes in windows grand total during the last two weeks. Windows feels very dirty now, and at work, I get frustrated more easily when Vista decides it is time to have me waiting... again. --- |
OICW
Member #4,069
November 2003
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verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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What about your graphics driver? Did you have to risk installing nvidias junk and have that awful feeling when you cant boot into your OS. I had that happen on fedora and could not figure out a way to "unblacklist" my nouveau driver, hence could not start my OS. I reinstalled everything just for kicks, yay!
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jhuuskon
Member #302
April 2000
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I was liking xubuntu[1] up to the point where some random update to some random package destroyed /etc/sudoers without prior warning. I fucking love linux. References
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verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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jhuuskon said: I was liking xubuntu up to the point where some random update to some random package destroyed /ect/sudoers without prior warning. I ing love linux. I tried to update to fedora 13 and during the installation the whole thing stalled and became unresponsive. I tried to reboot, the OS went nogo at the last screen so I tried fsck which ruined my directories even further, so I lost all my data (no backups) and reinstalled fedora 13. I didnt lose anything important though.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I'm going the other way. I just popped into the Salvation Army looking for an old monitor, they didn't have any, but they did have an old computer with a floppy drive and no USB ports. The lady said it was $6, so I bought it. Upon getting it home, it turns out I should have looked harder, as the keyboard connector is the huge kind from the '80's, and they had several keyboards for sale. Plugging the 1.7Gb hdd into the current computer revealed no games, no diaries or anything fun at all. Just a couple of abortive doc files, along with the knowledge that they used ICQ, AOL 6.0 and CompuServe. I didn't look at the hardware much, but the autoexec.bat says it's a SoundBlaster! Also, even if the rest of it is trash, I got a PCI ethernet card for $6, along with lots of screws and jumpers. TL;DR I bought an old piece of shit for $6. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I've been using Ubuntu 10 ever since my NVIDIA RAID died on Windows. (Actually I think one of my drives is bad, because I get scary messages on boot-up with my Linux RAID.) The only thing I miss from Windows is flawless Flash support, but Ubuntu's is good enough. Okay, I also miss MSVC, but I rarely write in C/C++, so I don't really care about that. But for my world of non-stop !@#$#@!$ web development, Ubuntu is way nicer than Windows. |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Ubuntu 10 has been my first positive experience with Linux. Up until now, some vital piece of hardware has never worked, but this time everything works perfectly. Plus, I think even my parents could use it as a home desktop system.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Tobias Dammers said: I don't have Visual Studio, obviously, but I don't use it much for personal projects anyway. You might enjoy kdevelop4. I've loathed IDEs for a long time, but kdevelop4 is the first one I don't hate. It has some bugs, but nothing serious, it just makes the auto complete "intelicrap" stuff a little finicky sometimes. At most its a little annoying, but it works more often than not, and saves me a heck of a lot of typing. Also welcome to the wonderful world of "Shit that just works"(tm) and Debian. A piece of advice wrt debian though. Stay away from sid/unstable unless you want to fight with the package manager from time to time. Sometimes all you can do is wait for problems to sort themselves out, and others, you have to force remove a package you think you need, just to convince apt-get/aptitude to un-bork itself. (just install it again after the updates its trying to do) -- |
Bob Keane
Member #7,342
June 2006
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I use linux on my desktop, however my room is so stifling this time of year I stay out as much as possible. I've had to install nvidia drivers and ALSA in the past, but the Fedora I use now has everything. I tried installing a network printer on the Windohs drive last summer but due to the heat, I was unsucessful. Fedora had no problems though. I would say its more tolerant of the environment, however Bug Buddy pops up often to tell me something crashed after startup. I never did figure out how to get my Palm Pilot working in Linux either. By reading this sig, I, the reader, agree to render my soul to Bob Keane. I, the reader, understand this is a legally binding contract and freely render my soul. |
decepto
Member #7,102
April 2006
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Matthew Leverton said: Okay, I also miss MSVC, but I rarely write in C/C++, so I don't really care about that. So, how is ALGOL 68 treating you? -------------------------------------------------- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Bob Keane said: I would say its more tolerant of the environment Well linux's power management stuff has gotten a LOT better than it used to. It has automatic cpu freq clocking support built in. On windows you usually need some stupid app like SpeedFan or what ever to get it working at all. -- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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decepto said: So, how is ALGOL 68 treating you? ALGOL doesn't come with the default install (for my favorite distro anyway). Just C, C++, Java, Python, Clisp, Jscript, several assemblers, on and on and on. How many of those come with the Windows installation disk again? They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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I'm now running Fedora 13 at j0rb (Windows 7 in a VM). It's lovely to have a real UNIX-like environment instead of Cygwin, which does a good enough job, but just isn't the same. With Fedora at j0rb, I was able to get Allegro installed again (Allegro doesn't support Cygwin, AFAIK). That got me excited about Allegro 5 again so I reinstalled Fedora 13 at home. The x86 version is working much more smoothly than the amd64 version that I originally installed was. I don't know what the differences are performance-wise, but it's nice to just have a simpler system that everything works with. I really like that Google and Adobe install their own YUM repositories so that you can install and update Google Chrome and the Flash player with little fuss. Everybody should do it that way (albeit, it's a little bit wasteful connecting to so many repositories everytime you search for software). It seems games have been crashing more and more consistently in Windows, probably mostly due to overheating issues (or possibly my video card being defective), so I have little reason to spend time in Windows until I buy a replacement. Hopefully I can get some personal codez written in my time in Linux. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
OICW
Member #4,069
November 2003
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: You might enjoy kdevelop4. I've loathed IDEs for a long time, but kdevelop4 is the first one I don't hate. It has some bugs, but nothing serious, it just makes the auto complete "intelicrap" stuff a little finicky sometimes. Does kdevelop4 support code refactoring (at least identifier renaming)? I use C::B right now and I lack this ability. Also the autocomplete is a little finicky as well. On the other hand I'm quite satisfied. I've also seen latest NetBeans and it looks they've managed to get rid of that horrid Java widget look so now it blends better with the environment. Something one can't say about KDE4 look, which looks amateur and uncanny in my opinion. All in all I'm quite satisfied with Ubuntu 10.04 at the moment. Two thing still bug me:
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miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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I use Fedora 12 and pretty much everything works. Except I can't update to Fedora 13 because apparently my /var partition is too small (the updater downloads a whole lot of stuff and then complains it requires 2 gigs on /var) and there's no way I can make it bigger! That's the last time I listen to linux gurus who say you should put everything on separate partitions! I guess I'll have to download and burn the DVD. Or wait for Fedora 14... -- |
verthex
Member #11,340
September 2009
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miran said: I guess I'll have to download and burn the DVD. Or wait for Fedora 14... I'd wait for 14. I remember netbeans giving me trouble just before I tried to upgrade 12->13 and I basically typed some command to skip them.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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I should have said there's no practical way for me to make it bigger the way my disk is organized. I'd have to move a lot of stuff around or do some weird voodoo magic or something... -- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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OICW said: Does kdevelop4 support code refactoring (at least identifier renaming)? Yes. And lots more. It has a pretty sophisticated C++ parser that it uses to tie things together. Tell it to rename a member, and it'll rename it everywhere. Quote: Something one can't say about KDE4 look, which looks amateur and uncanny in my opinion. Really? When was the last time you looked? Sure the first theme, the all black one was a bit odd, but the latest one is pretty. Quote: Suspend/hibernate issues - tree suspends in a row = need for a hard reset. If you're interested in figuring that out, you could look for bugs on your distro's bug tracker. The kernel guys are really good about fixing suspend issues (its a huge can of worms, almost every machine wants to do it slightly differently). Though it could be caused by using the closed source ATI video driver. could be. The only problem is the opensource radeon driver isn't as fast as the fglrx driver. miran said: I should have said there's no practical way for me to make it bigger the way my disk is organized. I'd have to move a lot of stuff around or do some weird voodoo magic or something... Parted will do all the work for you if you let it. Though I always feel antsy when doing a big parition move. what if the power went out in the middle? Fried disk layout. -- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: Though I always feel antsy when doing a big parition move. what if the power went out in the middle? Fried disk layout. I felt antsy between the time the old uninterruptible power supply died and the day I saved enough to buy a new one. Of course, disks themselves can fail, but that's possible anytime. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: I felt antsy between the time the old uninterruptible power supply died and the day I saved enough to buy a new one. Of course, disks themselves can fail, but that's possible anytime. Yeah, I have a ups too, but its just for my server. Don't have one for my desktop, or media box. -- |
OICW
Member #4,069
November 2003
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: Yes. And lots more. It has a pretty sophisticated C++ parser that it uses to tie things together. Tell it to rename a member, and it'll rename it everywhere. I'll probably look into that, because that's the thing C::B lacks and it's one hell of a pain in the... Thomas Fjellstrom said: Really? When was the last time you looked? Sure the first theme, the all black one was a bit odd, but the latest one is pretty. While I'm using Gnome for quite a long time I prefer to use Kate for large text editing and small programming projects. Besides I use Amarok and for my taste it doesn't look nice (it's also on the screenshots from kdevelop4). I can't tell exactly but the weird roundness of the boxes and buttons etc is what really bothers me. It's probably more irrational hence I say it's my opinion. Sure Gnome isn't really super, but even my Vista installation is switched to W2k look. Thomas Fjellstrom said: If you're interested in figuring that out, you could look for bugs on your distro's bug tracker. The kernel guys are really good about fixing suspend issues (its a huge can of worms, almost every machine wants to do it slightly differently). Yep, I know. Unfortunatelly I don't have time to fiddle with the kernel code. Anyway I know that it happened during transition from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 so I think a diff of the suspend code between kernels used in those respective distros could provide some clues. Thomas Fjellstrom said: Though it could be caused by using the closed source ATI video driver. could be. The only problem is the opensource radeon driver isn't as fast as the fglrx driver.
Don't even tell me I'm aware of the fact that the closed source driver could be source of various issues and hence I'm not whining on Linux forums. All in all it tends to lock up system on random occasions when some OpenGL application is running (kind of a fun to debug my semestral project...) References
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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OICW said: I can't tell exactly but the weird roundness of the boxes and buttons etc is what really bothers me. There are several choices to pick from for widget and window deco themes. -- |
Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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OICW said: Does kdevelop4 support code refactoring (at least identifier renaming)? I use C::B right now and I lack this ability. Also the autocomplete is a little finicky as well. On the other hand I'm quite satisfied. I've also seen latest NetBeans and it looks they've managed to get rid of that horrid Java widget look so now it blends better with the environment. Something one can't say about KDE4 look, which looks amateur and uncanny in my opinion. That must have been quite a while ago then. Netbeans has been looking pretty polished for the last few releases (I started using it at 6.4 IIRC, they're at 6.9 now). IMO, Netbeans does a much better job at autocomplete than other IDEs I've used (Visual Studio mainly); they seem to have sorted out the whole multithreaded thing quite thoroughly - everything that can run in the background does, and the IDE remains responsive all the time. There's autocomplete in everything, even PHP and SQL, and obviously a good "rename" function which highlights the word you're changing everywhere as you type the new name. It'll even rename Java class files for you when you rename the class itself. OICW said: Anyway I know that it happened during transition from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 Somehow I get the impression that the Ubuntu team includes new versions of things more aggressively than the debian folks with their two-distros-ahead scheme (you know, testing becomes unstable becomes stable). Ubuntu seems to have a more marketing-aligned agenda too; their logo is more polished and a lot of work goes into rebranding and extending the look-and-feel of the desktop. Which probably fits their mission of bringing linux to the masses. Arthur Kalliokoski said: I felt antsy between the time the old uninterruptible power supply died and the day I saved enough to buy a new one. Of course, disks themselves can fail, but that's possible anytime. That's one of the nice things about laptops. They have a UPS built-in, sorta kinda. --- |
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