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So I went to the doctor...
Derezo
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April 2001
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I dunno. If the doctor actually cared he'd remove the TV.

No, it's a government run health care system here and they turn a profit by having CNN displayed in the waiting room by mandate. That's just the way it is, don't spin it into a conspiracy theory please.

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People are perfectly capable of watching that drivel and not letting it soak into their brain. Most people realize they're being tricked by the TV... it's common sense nowadays.

It's so common that when you mention it people say you're babbling about conspiracy theories, heh.

It is naive to think people can not let it soak into their brain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE

Repeat after me: "Every time you read it or say it you make another copy in your brain."

Tim Hortons, those are huge in Canada.

Too big, if you ask me. :(
Reminds me of our beer store.. it's called "The Beer Store". ::)

Every two blocks there's another Tim Hortons.

It's designed that way, intelligently. ;)

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Derezo said:

I met 23yrold3yrold at Tim Hortons when he was in this area of the country ;D

Can you say where that region is (or PM it)? ???

/rant
Tim Hortens is one corporate machine I refuse to support (unless the soda/juice vending machines outside of work are off and I have no choice... :-X). Actually, I don't so much care about their corporate status, but 9 times out of 10, they give me a cup with coffee or Iced Cappuccino dripping down the side. "Even McDonald's"[1] has the common fucking courtesy to wipe the cup before handing it to me. If I wanted to have beverage all over my hands I'd hold them out and let you poor it in directly (sparing the tree required to make the cup). Fuck Tim Horten's.

It's not that big of a loss though because I don't like coffee anyway. I also question the affects it has on the population. It seems the majority can't function without it. When I found that my "friends" and particularly She began drinking it like grown ups it alarmed me. I couldn't believe how strongly they took to it. It definitely seems like an addictive drug and I wonder just how much impact it has on human consciousness. I can't stand the taste and never really noticed any kind of boost from it at all. I generally buy an extra large cup on the work mornings when I'm overly tired or hungover, but I never notice any positive affects at all. So I wonder why so many people think so highly of it. Even if it does help them to become more alert, at what cost?

I'm a computer programmer. I'm supposed to be drowsy until around noon and then I slowly begin to ramp up.

Derezo said:

We also know that it ... creates fear, which raises the price of gold,...

Fear raises the price of gold? ??? That's the kind of crazy jumps you make that sound crazy. :P

Derezo said:

Reminds me of our beer store.. it's called "The Beer Store". ::)

Take it back! >:( We will not tolerate this blasphemy! :'(

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  1. Whom I personally think serve awesome meals at good prices and have generally good customer service around here.
Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Derezo said:

it's a government run health care system here and they turn a profit by having CNN displayed in the waiting room by mandate.

mmmm... I won't go that far.

his nostril breathing is distracting.

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Bruce Perry
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April 2000

Derezo said:

Richard Dawkins has an awesome special called "Nice guys finish first" where he talks about cheats, suckers, and what he calls "grudgers".

I just Googled and watched it. Good stuff :)

And in the time I did that, you guys posted 14 more posts :P

Derezo, I'm still a little confused. If I read right, then your 'problem' is nothing more than you having gained some insight into what causes a subject to be controversial. Is that not just a case of being perceptive? Where does even the thought that you might be crazy enter into it?

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23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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I was around 23 when I was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Wait; I'm one of the personalities? O_o

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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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I won't go that far.

I wouldn't go that far either, but they really do it.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Wait; I'm one of the personalities? O_o

I think he meant that you diagnosed him.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Wait; I'm one of the personalities? O_o

^ I love this concept. :D The idea that one of the regulars on Allegro.cc could be a multiple personality of another just seems so...creative? :) That may or may not be because I'm crazy. AFAIK, though, I'm not a multiple personality. :-/

Trent Gamblin
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April 2000
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Derezo said:

No, it's a government run health care system here and they turn a profit by having CNN displayed in the waiting room by mandate.

I take it from this and your beer store comment that you live in Ontario? Man, that is one HELL of a place to live, if you ask a small town boy from New Brunswick. I can understand why you think everything is screwed up because that whole place is just filled with bizarre. But then again I wasn't exactly sober most of the time I was there nor did I have any idea of my mental illness, so I got really paranoid and had some really strange ideas run through my mind. In fact I can't get them out of my mind :P.

bamccaig
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Derezo
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Is that not just a case of being perceptive? Where does even the thought that you might be crazy enter into it?

That's what I believe, but others seem to differ. The response I get when these ideas are expressed is that I'm crazy. It immediately brings up talk about conspiracy theories, which people lump together with schizophrenia-esque illnesses. Yeah, there's corruption folks, but not everything is as simple as a "conspiracy theory"! >:( Those things are not truly related to what I'm saying, but rather how people perceive these types of ideas (and due to the true nature of the idea, it makes a lot of sense that explaining the cause of a mind virus would cause the mind virus to become defensive).

I put all of the patterns together myself with no guidance (other than the people in the documentaries). When so many people say it's crazy, I started thinking I might be wrong.. but because of how intense it has become, I figured if it is wrong, there might be a problem with me as opposed to a problem with the way my peers perceive reality. The idea that it might be a problem with me came from the fact that this perception appeared in a moment, as if a blood vessel had burst in my brain and it happened while I was watching a David Attenborough documentary about plants. It was kind of like an "out of body experience", but I remained in my chair ;)

Now that I know I am not mentally crazy though, crazy still seems to be a useful title. People who don't get me can just shrug me off as "crazy", which is better than aggression, but as the doctor demonstrated people who get it will know you're not crazy.

Besides, I also think grape and blueberry jam is crazy. Crazy awesome ;D

bamccaig said:

Tim Hortons is one corporate machine I refuse to support

After I watched Hi-Jacking Humanity I realized something was wrong with them. It's the only source most people here are capable of thinking about for coffee anymore because the mental association is so strong.

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Even if it does help them to become more alert, at what cost?

I do think coffee can be used effectively to do a number of things, but you're right. When people get as addicted to it as many people are, it becomes a problem. They say things like "I can't go without my coffee!" which seems an odd mantra to tell yourself... You can not continue your journey without a drug? Hmm...

That being said, I do drink coffee, and I do drink it more than I would like... but it's just always available to me. My folks go through about 4 pots per day.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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bamccaig said:

Why did this thread's activity stop? :'( This is keeping me distracted...

Dez was writing his long post. :P

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Derezo said:

Now that I know I am not mentally crazy though,...

It sounds like the doctor you went to see isn't qualified to diagnose whether you're crazy or not. You don't have to go see a specialist for a second opinion, but please don't take this one doctor's opinion as absolute reality, especially on a discipline for which he probably hasn't studied in depth.

Dez was writing his long post. :P

That's not a long post... :-/

Evert
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November 2000
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bamccaig said:

Can you summarize your rationale without requiring further reading? ??? I'm just curious. It seems every time you address it you point to work that I'm supposed to do to understand you. I'm just curious if you can give me enough on your own to consider what you're saying, instead of disregarding it as it seems everybody here has. :-/

He can't, I tried. If you pressure him for details he'll run around in circles and start saying you're deliberately trying to misunderstand him.

Tim Hortons, those are huge in Canada.

No kidding.
I swear you can give directions to anywhere in Hamilton as "go straight, turn left at the Tim Hortons, straight on, left at the Church, past the Tim Hortons, then turn right at the second Tim Hortons". I haven't tried their coffee (or "coffee" as I've heard some people call it) since I don't drink coffee, but I did make the mistake of trying their muffins twice (they're far, far too sweet). Oh, and I still want to try if it's possible to melt one of their doughnuts and fry something in it.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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That's nothing. I've seen a Starbucks inside a Starbucks' restroom.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Derezo said:

That being said, I do drink coffee, and I do drink it more than I would like... but it's just always available to me. My folks go through about 4 pots per day.

I can't even stand coffee. There was a short period of time where I'd drink it occasionally, primary from Tim Horten's (there's one right beside where I j0rb); but it didn't take long for me to stop. I never enjoyed the taste and never really noticed any positive affects.

I have been known to be "addicted" to pop/soda so in terms of caffeine I've in the past gotten a lot from that. I have pretty much slowed down my pop intake though due to its negative side effects. It had gotten to a point where after drinking Coca-Cola (the most satisfying beverage for my addiction) all night, I could spit out chunks of a black substance that I would describe as "soot"-like. With no other explanation that I can think of, it appears to have been the root cause in wearing down the enamel on my teeth. I still occasionally drink it out of habit. I try to substitute juice or bottled water when possible, but they're more expensive and not as readily available. At home, I've pretty much converted over to beer, which is potentially just as harmful, if not more, but it has other properties which are helpful for other reasons.

Derezo
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April 2001
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bamccaig said:

It sounds like the doctor you went to see isn't qualified to diagnose whether you're crazy or not.

I'm quite certain none of the folks here are qualified. Even if they were, forum posts are no substitution for a visit to their office.
Although he is a GP, he confirmed that he knew exactly what I was talking about through his use of language and he provided references. He used specific wording.

Evert said:

If you pressure him for details he'll run around in circles and start saying you're deliberately trying to misunderstand him.

Deliberate or not, you were misunderstanding me. You still do, and you will likely continue to tell me and others what I do in the way you did just now unless you have a paradigm shift. In the thread you're talking about, which has not been referenced in this one other than by you, your requests were insurmountable. It was as if you expected me to copy/paste entire wikipedia pages, books, and videos on subjects you didn't even care to know about. It seems you are unhappy with the relationships I place between science and religion, and there is nothing I can do about that because you express it in passive-agressive comments like these.

I'm terribly sorry I can't explain the entire universe for you in a paragraph, which seems to be what you expect given that's what it seems you think I'm trying to explain. ::) Thanks for watching.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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bamccaig said:

That's not a long post... :-/

True, it's no bampost. But it's long by my standards... I mean... my writing standards. ;)

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Derezo said:

I'm quite certain none of the folks here are qualified.

I'm qualified. >:(

You are Master Leverton certified crazy.

Derezo
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April 2001
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w00t! ;)

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

BAF
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December 2002
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What is everyone's obsession with caffeine? Coffee tastes awful. Soda tastes good, but does nothing for me aside from the flavor, caffeine has no effect on me. I'm not addicted to it, I don't need it, nothing.

Derezo
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April 2001
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BAF said:

caffeine has no effect on me.

Unless you are a machine, I wouldn't be so sure that it has no effect. Caffeine has a pretty solid history of causing effects in humans.

You sound like you're in denial. Nobody said you were addicted to it. ;D

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

BAF
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December 2002
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What effect is it supposed to have? I feel no different after having it, and I can go for weeks without having any with no ill effect either.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Just look at his photo... he definitely is affected by caffeine. ::)

Derezo
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April 2001
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It is a psychoactive stimulant. You may not notice the effects, I often don't either. The effects are still there though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine

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Researchers have found that long-term consumption of low dose caffeine slowed hippocampus-dependent learning and impaired long-term memory in mice. Caffeine consumption for 4 weeks also significantly reduced hippocampal neurogenesis compared to controls during the experiment. The conclusion was that long-term consumption of caffeine could inhibit hippocampus-dependent learning and memory partially through inhibition of hippocampal neurogenesis.

That's something everyone who takes caffeine could notice immediately, right? ;) The reference is pretty interesting, too.

After reading that I think I want to post it above the coffee maker... :-/

[edit]
Maybe video isn't my forte yet. How about a nice little mix of music?

A Flock of Seagulls - Messages
Modest Mouse - Satellite Skin
Rage Against The Machine - Renegades of Funk
Screamin' Jay Hawkins - There's Something Wrong With You (awesome song. Later he also says "Don't you know you can be replaced you know!").
The Mountain Goats - Psalms 40:2
Rage Against The Machine - Sleep Now In The Fire
The Nightwatchman - The King of Hell
Serj Tankian - Sky is Over
Rage Against The Machine - People of the Sun
The Mountain Goats - Up The Wolves
Flaming Lips - Are you a Hypnotist?

Lyrics:
With hands held high
to the new sun rise
with open arms
to the empty skies

receiving messages
receiving messages
receiving messages (from the rings of saturn)

You could say what you want, you're forgiven
well happing fucking congratulations
well everyone, everyone wins
just like being my own solar system
doing good things but then total eclipse them

from a different solar system many, many galaxies away
we are the force of another creation
a new musical revelation
and we're on this musical mission
to help the others listen
and we cruise from land to land
singing electronic chants

there's something wrong with you
something missin' some place some where
there's something wrong with you
all you,
that's it
I mean.. sometimes, you just ain't all there
now now now now
take a look, ha ha!
at your self
I'm tellin' ya
I ain't lyin' girl
You look like.. mmhmm.
something else
I don't know
what is wrong
but if you keep lookin' like that
I'll be gone!
There's something wrong with you

Lord lift up
these lifeless bones
light cascading through the windows
all the rainbows heavy tones
he has fixed his sign in the sky
he has raised me from the pit
and set me high

the world is my expense
the cost of my desire
Jesus blessed me with it's future
and I protect it with fire
so raise your fists and march around
just don't take what you need
I'll jail and bury those commited and smother the rest in greed
so crawl with me into tomorrow or I'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children, they'll betray you in my name

released from reason
alive with pain
the actors change, the play's the same.
as he and his ministers conversed
I peaked out from behind the well
and oh how I was surprised to learn
the devil's not the king of hell
the devil is not the king of hell
the devil is not the king of hell
a violent dance on slippery stones
the line's gone dead
we're all alone
the devil is not the king of hell

behind closed eyes lie
the mind's ready to awaken you
are you at war with land and all of it's creatures?
your not so gentle persuasion has been known to wreck economies
of countries
of empires
the sky is over

Since 1516 minds attacked and overseen, now
Crawl amidst the ruins of this
Empty dream
They're borders and boots on top of us, pullin'
Knobs on the floor of their toxic metropolis
So how you gonna get what you need to get? tha
Gut eaters, blood drenched get offensive like
Tet
When the fifth sun sets get back reclaim, tha
Spirit of cuahtemoc alive an untamed
Face tha funk now blastin' out ya
Speaker, war on the one maya, mexica
That volture came ta try and steal ya name but
Now you found a gun
and this is for the people of the sun
It's comin' back around again
This is for tha people of tha sun
It's comin' back around again, ugh
It's comin' back around again
This is for tha people of tha sun
It's comin' back around again, ugh
Neva forget that tha wip snapped ya back, ya
Spine cracked

we're going to commandeer the local airwaves
to tell the neighbours whats been going on.
and they will shake their heads and wag their boney fingers
in all the wrong directions,
and by daybreak we'll be gone.

I'm going to get myself in fighting trim,
scope out every angle of unfair advantage.
I'm going to bribe the officials.
I'm going to kill all the judges.
it's going to take you people years to recover from all of the damage.

our mother has been absent ever since we founded rome.
but there's going to be a party when the wolf comes home.

what is this? (what is this?)
are you some kind of hypnotist?
waving your powers around
the sun eclipse behind the cloud

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"



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