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Good Image Editors?
Bob
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September 2000
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I am in need of a good image editor to replace my aging copy of Paint Shop Pro 7. However, I can't seem to find something that fits my requirements. Does anyone know of a good image editor that can:

- Diff images relatively easily.
- Apply convolutions and various non-linear filters.
- UI that doesn't suck (that means you: GIMP).
- Supports file load/save plugins.
- View/edit alpha channels as grayscale (and not as transparency, although that's good option too).
- Price under 1000 USD.
- Site licensing option for ~500-1000 engineers.

Thanks!

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CGamesPlay
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July 2002
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What's wrong with Photoshop?

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Crazy Photon
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July 2002
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TeamTerradactyl
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September 2006
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Crazy Photon,

I've not heard of this before, but it looks promising. Thanks for the link.

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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TT said:

I've not heard of this before

On which planet do you actually live ? ;-p

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TeamTerradactyl
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September 2006
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Considering that most of the version revisions I've seen are 2006~ish, I feel that I am not TOO out-of-touch :P

That, and I've been using PSP 7 (same as OP:Bob) as well for years, though not with extremely good success (especially since I only have PSP on one computer and not multiple PCs).
:-*

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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TT said:

I feel that I am not TOO out-of-touch

Really ? huhuhuhu

[url http://www.getpaint.net/roadmap.html]Paint.NET v1.0
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The original project that started it all. This was completed in 15 weeks as an undergraduate senior design project at WSU, and was 36,000 lines of code.[/url]

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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How good is Paint.net? I've heard a few comments about it, but none that have made me want to install the .net framework just to try it out.

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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Then you are not enough curious.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Then you are not enough curious.

Not really no. I don't have too much need of graphics programs. But I'm still hoping to one day find one that actually makes drawing stuff easy.

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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The time it tooks to write this post could have been optimised testing paint.net .

You

Fail

!

;D

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James Stanley
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May 2006
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What's wrong with the GIMP interface?

TeamTerradactyl
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September 2006
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Personally, I haven't found GIMP very intuitive. I feel that if a "serious" programmer (or user) were to use GIMP, they'd find out how to use all the quirks and features after time. When I look at a paint program, I usually like to quickly understand enough to be "dangerous" and start right into drawing.

MS Paint has never been something I felt I could be "dangerous" with... it was entirely too simple, so I've been using PSP 7 (which is getting on in years, now) since I was able to just jump in feet-first and understand all I was working with.

If Paint.NET has a simple-enough (and relatively easy) learning curve, I'd probably move to that over PSP. Once the learning curve is conquered for the "simpler things" I have no problem moving onto the more difficult ones.

I take it like programming: I started with QBasic because some people posted QBasic games on the internet, and I was able to see what their source code was doing. Then I began to understand what the code was doing. Then I began to fix what their code meant to do (but wasn't doing).

The way I started to learn C for the first time was take someone's game and read all the code, tweak here and there, watch something crash miserably because of a change I made, then figure out what happened.

Paint programs aren't exactly that intuitive. You can't really see how an artist was able to create a specific look or effect by looking at the picture. If you get a tutorial that explains the steps of how to do that, then you climb the learning curve more quickly until you can comfortably make pictures with those features/effects yourself.

GIMP, unfortunately, hasn't been all that intuitive for me...

gnolam
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March 2002
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What's wrong with the GIMP interface?

Everything. The GIMP's UI is so goddamned horrible it can't be described without resorting to Lovecraftian adjectives.

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23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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Yeah, I can't stand the Gimp; I never looked back after I got I got Photoshop Elements. Use it if you're broke, otherwise use anything else. :)

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Samuli
Member #1,837
January 2001

No, really. I switched from Photoshop to Gimp with no real injury. Ok, I'm no pro, but I'd still like to know what am I missing. Now that I think about it, almost everything in PSP is in Gimp. So what gives really?

Ok, I've had a few beers now (it's tuesday for gods sake!), so there might be something I'm missing.

Bob
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September 2000
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CGamesPlay said:

What's wrong with Photoshop?

It costs an arm and two legs. I was hoping to find a cheaper solution, especially since the product only needs to cater to us poor engineers.

Crazy Photon said:

Paint.NET

Ooooh, shiney!

Actually, this looks pretty good. I'll be playing around with it, and see if we can add plugins for the functioanlity we need. If so, then we'll definitely go that route.

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Crazy Photon
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July 2002
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- Supports file load/save plugins.

I had a quick look at the code, and it seems you will be able to do that, take a look at the FileTypes class in /src, and the GifFileType and JpegFileType classes in /src/Data.

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Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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No, really. I switched from Photoshop to Gimp with no real injury. Ok, I'm no pro, but I'd still like to know what am I missing. Now that I think about it, almost everything in PSP is in Gimp. So what gives really?

It's a GTK app. 'nuff said.

Though I personally don't like all the seperate windows. I like having them all under "one roof", as it were. It keeps them from getting too cluttered and inter-twined with other programs. The image window can be on top, the tool window down below my IRC client, and the layer window below that and my web-browser. Just a total mess.

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Michael Jensen
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October 2002
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but none that have made me want to install the .net framework just to try it out.

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On which planet do you actually live ? ;-p

Aparently the same one as me as I've not heard of it before, but it looks cool!

MiquelFire
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January 2003
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Were it not for a commercial application I have (which I need to use more than I really do), I wouldn't have a reason to have .NET 1.x installed. I only have 2.0 because of MSVC2005 (the free one), and I don't see that going away anytime soon.

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miran
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June 2002

I too would like to know what exactly I'm missing when I use the GIMP. I can do anything I want with it, access to all the tools is fast, it doesn't look bad and it can be customized in every way you can think of. And if you don't like the separate windows for everything approach, there's a plugin available that will "correct" this. I would really appreciate it if someone wrote a small list of exactly what UI features I'm missing out on by using the GIMP as opposed to for example Photoshop.

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Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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And if you don't like the separate windows for everything approach, there's a plugin available that will "correct" this.

For the love of <insert diety here>, where?

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Rampage
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December 2002
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Quote:

I would really appreciate it if someone wrote a small list of exactly what UI features I'm missing out on by using the GIMP as opposed to for example Photoshop.

To what end? People who are comfortable with the GIMP UI will know how to perform most operations quickly, for example, by using keyboard shortcuts. They will dismiss the claims that the GIMP is hard to use by pointing out the ways the use to access the desired functionality.

Personally, I think that the problem is not on the usability, but in the learning curve, which for the GIMP is very steep (at least for me).

-R

miran
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June 2002

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For the love of <insert diety here>, where?

I don't remember but I think there's a plugin repository somewhere which google should be able to find. I'm also not entirely sure if the plugin actually works on Linux or if it is Windows-only, but I do remember that it does work at least on Windows.

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Personally, I think that the problem is not on the usability, but in the learning curve, which for the GIMP is very steep (at least for me).

I had used Paint Shop Pro since around version 3 or 4 until 7 and I've seen Photoshop (older versions) as well and as far as I could see the only difference in GIMP was the separate windows. That's why I'm asking. What other non-obvious differences are there?

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