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Steve++

Member #1,816

January 2002

manjula said:

Also it amazes me how ppl want to force their unbelief in God on others. How pompous to presume to know how everything in the universe is made.

Think about it for a moment.

kentl

Member #2,905

November 2002

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without un it said:

Also it amazes me how ppl want to force their belief in God on others. How pompous to presume to know how everything in the universe is made.

Avenger

Member #4,550

April 2004

Since we cannot imagine everything above our level (on the "god"-level), anything we say can be true.

For example, the chance that I am right that there is no god is exactly the same chance that Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism is true. Also, to take it to the extreme, it might be that there is a God that wants us to pray to rocks. How can you disproof it? You can't say he doesn't exist because he hasn't sent us a holy book, or given us messages trough people. What if he just doesn't want to do so:).

Now, think about that for a while;D

Steve++

Member #1,816

January 2002

What are you even saying?

LennyLen

Member #5,313

December 2004

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What are you even saying?

You started this subject. What were you trying to say?

Ron Ofir

Member #2,357

May 2002

I think he's saying we should all pray to the mighty pacman.

ImLeftFooted

Member #3,935

October 2003

I say we all give up our propietary religions and whorship the all-mighty Allegro!

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Trezker

Member #1,739

December 2001

Steve++: What on earth made you think that it's in any way acceptable to post anything about religion on this forum?

It seems the replies aren't leading flamewar yet though... You might be safe.

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Torbjörn Josefsson

Member #1,048

September 2000

If we look at past religions, statistically, it is likely that the followers of The One True God were wiped out long ago in some pointless religious war - we're ALL gonna burn in hell!

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dthompson

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April 2005

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Inphernic

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March 2001

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It seems the replies aren't leading flamewar yet though...

Maybe I can help with that! All religions are extensive works of fiction and they were conceived in order to control weak minds.

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dthompson

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April 2005

FIRE! RUN AWAY!

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Moving Shadow

Member #5,973

July 2005

A long, long time ago, people ate each other and smashed each other over the head and stole what they wanted and there was no law or order......then someone wrote a book that had rules in it about what was right and wrong.....and hundreds of years later it became.....THE BIBLE! Its not real folks, just a guide on how to be a nice person....

da_flo

Member #1,907

February 2002

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Its not real folks, just a guide on how to be a nice person...

And how many people have been unfairly killed in the name of that so-called god ?
Yeah. They kill, but since they're the good ones it doesn't matter. The bible make them do it, so they're nice. bleh.

Otherwise, Inphernic pretty much summed up what I immediatly wanted to say when I saw this thread!

/me leaves this thread forever... ::)

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spellcaster

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September 2001

Flying Spaghetti Monsterism - if you live in Kansas or like Pirates

Invisible Pink Unicorn - if you trust in believe and logic (they believe that the unicorn is pink and logic dictates that it has to be invisible, because it can't be seen).

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da_flo

Member #1,907

February 2002

About the Babel fish, the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy said:

'Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
'The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
'"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved purely by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
'"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
'"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

For further information, read any book from Oolong Colluphid's trilogy of philosopical blockbusters Where God Went Wrong, Some more of God's Greatest Mistakes, and Who is this God Person Anyway?.

(Note: This post is less controversial than my previous one. And that's better, IMO ::) )

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dthompson

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April 2005

I'm leaving the thread too. Matthew, please kill it.

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Dennis

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July 2003

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All religions are extensive works of fiction and they were conceived in order to control weak minds.

Think about it:
Mathematics for example, is also an extensive 'handcrafted by people' work of pure abstract fiction.

It's entirely 'made up'(like any religion) and self-contained, as i would like to call it.

It's nothing you can 'touch' and yes it is also made to control weak minds, who can't see that it is not that absolute solution to all and everything(as lots of those hard-liner mathematicians would like it to be).

...i lost track of what i wanted to express...

Does that make Mathematics more a religion?
I believe it can not be called a science, as i think it is fiction, because 'everything is what it is' by definition in there.

besides that, i 'believe':
EVERYTHING that mankind ever thinks is fiction. If anyone thinks that there are some things 'more real than others', that anyone is just a victim to its senses, not restricting this to its biological senses but also extending it to all 'tools' that will 'measure' anything.

The point is:
If the fiction is already 'wrong' and not real then everything derived from that fiction will of course lead to the expected real results that are gathered by 'measuring', but it would still not be real because the original fiction was 'wrong'.

The dilemma is:
Everything and nothing, seem both to be in the same way and at the same 'time'(if there is anything like that...) real and not real.
Maybe everything real is unreal and everything unreal is real and
maybe everything is nothing and nothing is everything and
maybe what we get is what we perceive and what we perceive is what we want.
This is stupid and at the same time highly intelligent.

Conclusion:
Opinions are of far more importance to me than arguments, because i have to live with the opinions of the creatures around me which are direct and immediate, while arguments are too heavily biased by the current progress in 'science'.

IMHO it is stupid to believe in anything, be it religion or science. It's all the same to me.

Or to express it even more hilarious:
Before enlightenment, chop wood, draw water.
After enlightenment, chop water, draw wood.:P

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HoHo

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April 2004

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IMHO it is stupid to believe in anything, be it religion or science. It's all the same to me.

At least science is fun to read and it can be useful to know a few things from time to time

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Trezker

Member #1,739

December 2001

All that matters is that we have computers and knw the art of programming.
Everything else is pure bullshit.

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Dennis

Member #1,090

July 2003

HoHo said:

At least science is fun to read and it can be useful to know a few things from time to time

::) *sigh* You are not getting my point.
I would put know inside those ' '-thingys: It becomes 'know' in the sense i tried to make with my previous post, as that was my entire point. There is no real 'meaning' to any words like these, outside of the usual way of thinking in such terms. (In fact my previous post self-recursively does not even make 'sense', because truly speaking, for it to make any 'sense', i would not even be allowed to express the thoughts in this naive method using letters and words and so on, which are themselves not real and just there by definition of mankind...)
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Trezker said:

All that matters is that we have computers and knw the art of programming.
Everything else is pure hogwash.

Yep. 100% agree-age.

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X-G

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December 2000

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IMHO it is stupid to believe in anything, be it religion or science.

Science is not "belief". People really need to get their mind straight and realize the difference; that science is provable, tested knowledge derived from extensive empiric evidence and experiments, and that religion is a bunch of fairytales made up by people with beards that cannot be proven.

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da_flo

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February 2002

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that science is provable

Except axioms... ::)
Which leads to serious controversy in theorical maths, for some particular fields of maths, and particularly set theory.

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X-G

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December 2000

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Except axioms...

Fortunately most axioms are simple enough that we can accept that. Peano's axioms spring to mind (Put simply they are on the level of 1+1=2 and so forth).

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Which leads to serious controversy in theorical maths, for some particular fields of maths, and particularly set theory.

Yes, but maths isn't about understanding the world, so that's all right. Mathematics is just a language used to describe and manipulate numbers... not really the kind of science I was referring to. At any rate mathematics doesn't run at odds towards anything else in the known universe; it's just there.

da_flo

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February 2002

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Fortunately most axioms are simple enough that we can accept that. Peano's axioms spring to mind

I utterly agree, of course.
But some things like the axiom of choice are more suble and more controversial.
There are also the problem of undecidable assumptions, such as the continuum hypothesis, which can be added to the current set of axioms without any contradictions.
Well, I'm not a specialist, but many things in or around Kurt Gödel's work, for example, are relevant to the problem of "belief" in maths, and of provability...

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Yes, but maths isn't about understanding the world, so that's all right.

Agreed too. (In fact I was clearly thinking that, but didn't make it clear in my short post)

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not really the kind of science I was referring to.

I think I had understood that too. But I couldn't help nitpicking about maths.

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At any rate mathematics doesn't run at odds towards anything else in the known universe

And that's quite fortunate, when you see the scariest way physicists sometimes use maths...

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