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Is DOS dead? |
X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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In that case your monitor, keyboard and mouse are operating systems. -- |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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No they're not. They are components of the machine, driven by the --- 0xDB | @dennisbusch_de --- |
Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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I disagree. The OS acts as an abstraction You're confusing OS with window manager or command prompt. -- |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: You're confusing OS with window manager or command prompt. But DOS is nothing but a command prompt! [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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The filesystem is the OS part of DOS. -- |
Simon Parzer
Member #3,330
March 2003
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What about the memory management? |
Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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AFAIK DOS doesn't have memory management. -- |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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I'm dumb!! Memory management is definitely a core feature of any operating system. Without the ability to manipulate system memory, it is extremely difficult to develop for "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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I believe DOS has a memory allocation function related to its real mode segmented memory plan but is completely incapable of utilising a memory management unit - even just the segmented mmu on the 286. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Quote: AFAIK DOS doesn't have memory management.
This is really becoming rediculous... EDIT: I should refresh before posting... |
Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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That's why I said AFAIK -- |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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[url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system] This discussion drifted away somehow from the question if dos is dead Quote: You're confusing OS with window manager or command prompt. No i'm not. These are seen as part of the OS. --- 0xDB | @dennisbusch_de --- |
HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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What are KDE, Gnome, *box on linux? Part of the OS or just addons? __________ |
Steve Terry
Member #1,989
March 2002
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KDE and Gnome, Fluxbox, and all the others are just desktop managers, they are no way built into Linux. All are optional, so is X the manager for those clients. Linux can be ran just as "low level" as pure UNIX. ___________________________________ |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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Whenever you integrate them to the system they become part of the OS. And according to the link i've posted above. Any command prompt or shell [edit] --- 0xDB | @dennisbusch_de --- |
Steve Terry
Member #1,989
March 2002
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Who said KDE and Gnome are "integrated". AFAIK somethign like IE is integrated into Windows, but there is nothing that says you can't uninstall gnome or even install it in the first place to have Linux function normally. You cannot uninstall IE on the other hand . ___________________________________ |
Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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Quote: No i'm not. These are seen as part of the OS. The DOS and unix command prompt/shell, and the windows window manager can be seen as part of the OS. But you were saying that's all an OS is. Anyway, when I'm talking about OS in this thread I'm refering only to the kernel. -- |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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Quote: I'm talking about OS in this thread I'm refering only to the kernel.
See my edit. I'm just posting the link to the definition, which i'm referring to --- 0xDB | @dennisbusch_de --- |
HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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Common to who? Whole unix/linux world sees linux kernel as the OS, all the other things are just optional addons __________ |
ReyBrujo
Moderator
January 2001
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I am not one who thinks the operative system needs a user interface as one of its core members. That is what the shell is for. Otherwise, X is part of the operative system. But you were talking about DOS. If DOS is dead, why there are projects to emulate it that are active enough? -- |
HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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to run old programs that no one updates anymore __________ |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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Quote: The DOS and unix command prompt/shell, and the windows window manager can be seen as part of the OS. But you were saying that's all an OS is. Where did i say that? --- 0xDB | @dennisbusch_de --- |
Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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The only reason why DOS or DOS-like systems are hanging on is because they are very simplistic in comparison to other operating systems. Some are also royalty free. They are normally used for low level hardware interaction (flashing bios, running diagnostics tools), and very little else. With more complex operating systems, things can get in the way and cause problems when all you want to do is something very basic. Under DOS, all this overhead is removed and you can be certain that the end user meets the software requirements. DOS is considered "dead" in my books, because it is not something that you would expect to find running on an end user's system. It is something that you need the end user to invoke by means of a start-up disk. Having said that, everyday tools are not developed enough for DOS in order to consider it "alive" "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
Dennis
Member #1,090
July 2003
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Quote: Common to who?
Common to books and internet pages that give http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system said: An operating system is conceptually broken into three sets of components: a user interface (which may consist of a graphical user interface and/or a command line interpreter or "shell"), low-level system utilities, and a kernel--which is the heart of the operating system. As the name implies, the shell is an outer wrapper to the kernel, which in turn talks directly to the hardware. Hardware <-> Kernel <-> Shell <-> Applications In some operating systems the shell and the kernel are completely separate entities, allowing you to run varying combinations of shell and kernel (eg UNIX), in others their separation is only conceptual.
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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You guys are getting too picky about the definition An OS is a software based system designed to provide a method of using the functionality of the hardware it is installed on. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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