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What is your opinion?
nicholle
Member #1,024
February 2001
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What does everyone think of this?

[url http://www.co.jyu.fi/~np/hate/USAHate.html]

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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Finally someone who isn't totally brainwashed. I mean I really don't know how you Americans can be proud of your country. With just how many of the 54 points on that page can an intelligent person disagree? And the map really depicts the American mentality.

And yes, I am a communist :)

Well, an anarchist to be more precise.

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the_y_man
Member #1,770
December 2001
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And yes, I am a communist

I am also a communist! The idea is great, but i just wished it would work!
And about that website, americans are over-patriotic, and that can sometimes get on peoples nerves (especially to the guy who wrote it), anything that is done against them is considered to be an "act of terrorism".....

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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I thought the word "terrorism" was censored on the internet after 911 :)

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Considering that guy has other hate pages, like 'Hate France', I would assume that he just likes to get a rise out of people.

If those hate pages are his true mentality, then he has a very shallow understanding of the topics he says he hates.

So, if he hates me because I'm an American, then more power to him. I don't have the capacity to hate so many people all at one time. :)

bozokadafi
Member #2,070
March 2002
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you people really don't know what your getting yourselves into. i think it would be best if you kept your anti* remarks to yourself.

[EDIT]not you Matt[/EDIT]

StevenVI
Member #562
July 2000
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I'm dumb!! That's the funniest thing I've ever read!

Some people need to get a life ::). To sum up the page for anyone who hasn't read it yet, it just says "The US is stupid because it's the US."

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miran
Member #2,407
June 2002
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Well, if the Americans are being so loud about Iraq and North Korea and all the other countries they don't like then I think I have the right to be loud about the countries I don't like (America being on top of the list, obviously).

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bozokadafi
Member #2,070
March 2002
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ok fine. talk all you want. all this will do is lead to a big debate. this is the same type of ignorance that starts wars. if you don't like America, then there is a reason why you don't live here. you don't need to tell the world.

by the way, i'm sure the creater of that site was somewhat joking. Marvel Comics rock.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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miran: How many Americans have you actually heard saying loudly that they don't like Iraq and North Korea?

I live in America (oh whoops, I guess I should add "United States of", so I don't offend anyone), and I can honestly say that I don't know a single person who hates people from Iraq, North Korea or Cuba, etc. Most people here really don't care. Some even have the mindset to just let those Middle Eastern countries alone so they can blow each other up with their nukes.

The only ones that make any sort of fuss are politicians, and that's most likely because they are looking for something to do.

It is true that most Americans view a 'democratic republic' as the best form of government. But I think it's because they have experienced it first hand and are content with it. You don't see people from Florida rowing their boats to live on Cuba, but you can see Cubans trying to escape their great communistic land.

I actually agree with Yves about communism being a great idea. (Even the early Puritans set up a basic communistic government where everyone worked together and shared the 'profits', ie food.) It unfortunately ends up poorly in practice. Any form of government has flaws, for the simple reason that every person has flaws.

bozokadafi
Member #2,070
March 2002
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i totally agree with Matthew. most of my generation of Americans think that war is nothing but politics and do not concern themselves with ranting about Iraq or Palestine or whatever. take it from a half Iraqi, half Palestinian... at least 90% of my generation of Americans are entirely the opposite of what you stereotype us to be. stereotyping is a complete act of ignorance, and ignorance leads to prejudice.

LoHoL
Member #1,752
December 2001
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some of this things are stupid, others are true.
But this document is or a joke or a call to hate another (here americans) and i don't like this. I've nothing against US or americans, but against their politics, and politic from other country

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23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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People in USA are stupid and fat! By the way, is anyone selling "USA flag" toilet paper anywhere?

Yeah, I knew I was in for an intelligent read after a start like that ::) I do think some Americans think a bit much of their country (that map at the bottom is pretty accurate :P) but not that much ....

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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Americans concern themselves with outside things that have NOTHING to do with them WAY too often. Like I've heard so many times, they sell guns to people seemingly so that they can declare war on them once they use them or some crap. By americans, I mean the country. The political leaders chosen by it's people. :)

Matthew does have a good point about the politicians thing.. but that's not how the rest of the world see's it. If the US has a problem with China, then the people of it's country have a problem with China and Chinese people. It's sort of stereotypical I guess.

Communism is an excellent idea... but it's too 'idealistic'. The only thing wrong with it is that it takes away your freedom entirely.

Anyhoo, about that page :P
It looks like a joke, of course. It shouldn't be taken seriously. Most of the 'reasons' are one word or very stupid. "Barney" is certainly not a reason to hate a country ;D Lighten up! :) It's like having a list of 101 reasons to hate Canada (HAHAHAHAHA .. imagine that) and having "eh?" on the list... or "mounties".. or "igloos".. ::)

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LoHoL
Member #1,752
December 2001
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i was thinking it was a joke since i'read Matthew post

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Considering that guy has other hate pages, like 'Hate France', I would assume that he just likes to get a rise out of people.

he's just someone who has nothing to do;D

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Sirocco
Member #88
April 2000
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A lot of the 'problem' is that people outside the US tend to perceive US citizens by the actions of:

A) The US government

and

B) US media

Last time I looked, I neither dictate foreign policy, nor do I in any way resemble anyone currently in the US media. Although someone mentioned I look like Ozzy, but that's a total fluke :)

Apparently, someone in Finland needs a nap.

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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Here are my few opinions in response to the original post. If anybody feels like making a personal attack and can't be bothered to visit my profile, I live in the UK. And I'm not proud. But that is another topic! Anyway . . .

  • Communist persecutions
  • Unless I'm mistaken, the americans are still persecuting communists in the same sense that there is still a war in Korea, right? That is, the war featuring Europeans, of course.

  • Pollution of air, water, earth and everything

  • Swimming pools everywhere - horrible waste of water and energy
  • It is hard to point out that Bush and his guys spent their first year or so constantly telling everyone that the scientific evidence for global warming was flawed, then suddenly changed their mind in their most recent UN report. But alas there is still no can do resolve on fixing the environment, just on making sure the americans can deal with the effects. Since climate change affects the entire world, this makes me agree with this point.

  • Their gun policy, and NRA
  • In the USA you have the right to carry a gun, but not the right to healthcare if someone shoots you. Also, I understand that the USA is very backwards on the issue of the welfare state in general?

    However, the rest of this page looks like garbage to me. And that map is a poor immitation of an old joke which everybody must have seen in at least three other places. If there is one reason to dislike americans it has to be that overbearing sense of superiority. The actual belief which exists in their military that they invented the EU so they wouldn't have to send their troops over and fix up another European war like they had done twice already in the C20th, and so on. The way they never apologise when they bomb the wrong things. The way people in TV shows such as 'Diagnosis : Murder' deliver dialogue such as 'why don't you buy something reliable - something american?' without a hint of irony.

    I'm sure it doesn't permiate through the whole of society, but it definitely infests all the visible parts of what people perceive to be the USA.

    bozokadafi
    Member #2,070
    March 2002
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    i think it's definitly a joke but it appears that some people here have taken it seriously. something that made me sway on the side of "its a joke" more is when i clicked on the occult symbols of satan link. look at the backgorund, it says "yes, this is a joke" over and over and over and over again. i just hope it will be taken as one and this won't turn into a political discussion, because i get enough of that b.s. elsewhere.

    Sirocco
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    April 2000
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    The way people in TV shows such as 'Diagnosis : Murder' deliver dialogue such as 'why don't you buy something reliable - something american?' without a hint of irony.

    Considering my previous post (ref: point B), I rest my case ;)

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    Matthew Leverton
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    January 1999
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    In the USA you have the right to carry a gun, but not the right to healthcare if someone shoots you.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by this... In USA you have a right to both of those. You can choose either to own a gun or not. You can choose either to have healthcare or not. Both will probably cost you some money.

    With most jobs you get healthcare as 'bonus' added onto your base salary. Or, you can easily choose to pay for it yourself, or for extended options.

    If you have a bad job then you may not get free healthcare or be able to afford it. (For me, it would cost around $100 a month - which is very affordable.)

    However, if someone were to shoot a person without money and without healthcare, the hospital isn't going to turn him away. :P Everyone taken to the hospital gets cared for whether or not they have money.

    I personally, would rather have less handouts and pay lower taxes - but obviously not everyone feels the same.

    (PS: Maybe I just don't understand what you mean by 'healthcare'.)

    Thomas Harte
    Member #33
    April 2000
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    I'm sure it doesn't permiate through the whole of society, but it definitely infests all the visible parts of what people perceive to be the USA.

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    Considering my previous post (ref: point B), I rest my case

    It is a shame I had not made a point about the tendency of people on forums to occasionally miss sections of the point, or I would be able to join you in that respect!

    Funklord
    Member #467
    June 2000
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    Somehow, I feel many of the opinions expressed on that page are quite accurate,

    though to be honest, it seems like 99% of US citizens and politically involved are sitting in two entirely different boats. (with the government boat towing the helpless citizen boat)
    A lot of US people I meet have totally different opinions than the government, still, there seems to be no easy way anything can be changed for the better.

    like the presidential elections, jacka$$ no.1 or jacka$$ no.2 ???

    who do you choose?

    Still, knowing that they are mere puppets controlled by much larger and more influential forces doesn't make things better.

    It is only logical, in no way can one man control even the direction of politics for such a large country, he's just there to comfort people and tell them what is written on paper.

    This is in fact tricking people into thinking they are choosing what happens to their country, while they are actually choosing who to get entertained by.

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    Derezo
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    April 2001
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    Health care is a BIG reason why I don't live in the US (or want to). Here in Ontario Canada, most health care is free (Prescriptions aren't anymore, tho). I can't believe how many Canadians complain about our health care, when it is so outstanding imo...I've been to a lot of doctors without paying a penny :P Mind you, we have a shortage of nurses here in SW Ontario, because they make more money in the US, so most nurses are going over there for work instead....but, other than that problem, having free health care is awesome ;D

    If I ever broke my leg or something in the states, I'd be too terrified about the medical bill to worry about the pain ::)

    Anyhoo, I'd go ranting about the guns some more but that's for another thread....another thread that's already been covered in the game development forum.. about the morality in killing terrorists, remember? :)

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    Matthew Leverton
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    January 1999
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    What's the deal with free healthcare? Why not free food? Free lodging? Free video games. ;D

    Government sponsered health care is not a big issue in USA, because most people are satisfied with what they've already got. Ultimately, free anything means the working tax-payers are paying for theirs and someone else's bills.

    bozokadafi
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    March 2002
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    don't forget the point that most employers offer health insurance for free. that way if you get an arm cut off, you could have it sewed back on without paying all of the medical expenses.

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